2000-2004 was bad; no doubt about it.
But 2005-2009 saw three 11 win seasons in five years and Joe had an 8-1 team in 2011 when he was fired. Things were back on track after 2004.
Ok Coach 4-14, now is the time…
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But 2005-2009 saw three 11 win seasons in five years and Joe had an 8-1 team in 2011 when he was fired. Things were back on track after 2004.
No. Michigan out recruited us. Osu out recruited psu 10 out of 10 and Michigan was about 6/7 out of 10.
The majority of Joe’s O$U games came toward the end of a long career.
His record in big games is as good as anyone. Much better than O$U’s record in big games…light years better than CJF’s.
There was absolutely a big ten ref bias against Joe and PSU, hence the instituting of replay in the big ten. Also, give Joe some credit for Rip’s 3-0 record against Woody as the number 1 assistant. 11-14 is very competitive especially considering Success with Honor.
Joe and James both started their PSU coaching careers 1-9 against top 5 teams. I’m not knocking them; most teams lose to
top 5 teams. Just pointing out that CJF isn’t light years behind Joe in that department.
Penn State Football: a look back at the Nittany Lions’ struggles against top 5 opponents over the years
After the loss at Michigan, we took a look back at Penn State Football's (mostly) unsuccessful history against top five competition.
Interesting to look back at the 2015 Gator Bowl when PSU faced Georgia. Somewhat of a minor game that day but think of what’s happened since that game and the path the two programs have been on since. It’s time for PSU to elevate….
However the 3 wins against Michigan came against horrible Michigan teams. He has yet to beat a good Michigan team and has beaten a good OSU team once.
8-5 and 9-4 are horrible?
You have to realize that when we beat them, it's puts an L in that loss column.
And by no means am I saying these were great Michigan teams, but their record looks better with an extra win and one less loss.
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8-4 teams are not good teams
9-3 at Michigan and Penn State isn't a good year. At best it's decent. Horrible.is an oversell until you analyze and see if they beat anyone decent.
Fair enough.
Horrible was an overstatement. My point was that he has yet to beat a Michigan team that was even close to a B10 East champion contender.
We didn't. We are not bigger than psu. Now what? Name any coach with a winning record vs OSU and um who wants this job!
Ps. Dabo and Saban are not coming here.
Osu took it to the next level during sanctions.
Joe should have retired by 2000 or fired.
If one of the GREATEST coaches is 8-14 do you expect anyone else to do better?
Ps. Osu is much better now and Pennsylvania is turning out less talent.
At this point 36% would be great compared to 11%. 36% isn't great but 11% is embarrassing.
One of the greatest coaches of all time who shouldn't have been there as long as he was impacting that record.
I am trying to think of a game where BOTH coaches were under more pressure to win. Franklin for the reasons discussed here but I think that Day is under even more pressure. The OSU fanbase is mad enough that the B10 throne was lost to Michigan in the past 2 years but to be passed by PSU as well will make his seat somewhat hotter.
Goal is to beat Michigan regardless of the quality of their team. Just like everyone else.
The problem with this type of valuing is that unless you dominate like OSU has for the past decade, all of your wins get diminished.
It's like Sparty. They always get credit for "beating a good team" when they beat us. Problem is, we get none for beating them. They are good once every 5 years on average and the only reason they are good is because they beat everyone / lost one game.
It's just an exercise in futility.
If his seat is hot, nobody save for Kirby Smart is safe today.
I hope after we beat them today, Michigan does at the end of the year and they do fire him.
The odds of finding another person to replicate their success AND do better over the past 10 years is nearly impossible.
To the original post - I think PSU will lose to both OSU and UM (and by definition therefore not win the CC), and once again, JF will be praised to the heavens for coming in third in the B1G after losing to those two "juggernauts" which will once again play for the B1G East title at the end of the season.
We've seen this movie before, we all just want a different ending!
Everybody has a different definition. I can assure you that every team that beats us thinks it's a good win. They don't pay attention to our record. Try talking to any UK fan. They adore their bowl game win over us from the '18 season. We mostly forget it happened until somebody reminds us.
Of course, that was one of UKs 3 best teams ever.
For us, that was maybe the 5th best JF led PSU.
I get your point doesn't alter it's a sad state of your program to take pride in that.
Regardless, with Ohio State banged up we have an amazing opportunity today that we need to take advantage of. Must find a way to win. No excuses. Not officiating, not weather, this a game big time coaches win.
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