I so want a 1 loss Alabama get in over your team
Now that is a scenario I support whole heartedly.
OSU will be in the CFP
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LOL Are you really this stupid???? The head to head matters this year and we have the same records. The head to head mattered last year but you had 2 losses!
If you were a 1 loss team right now you'd be ahead of us and would for sure have a playoff spot waiting for you as long as we beat Wisconsin. Sorry the OSU and MSU ruined your entire season in 2 weeks
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Wiscy continues to be underappreciated (myself included). Truth is, OSU will be favored against them regardless of what happens between now and the championship game. I'd rather see Wiscy win
Wiscy continues to be underappreciated (myself included). Truth is, OSU will be favored against them regardless of what happens between now and the championship game. I'd rather see Wiscy win
Concur. I see OSU getting beat in Ann Arbor this year which will officially kill their playoff hopes. I hope Wisconsin wins out so the B1G has representation but that might not happen either. I also think Auburn takes down Alabama this year then beats Georgia again for the SEC. Bama probably still gets in because of their name. This could really screw it up for Wisconsin. I am going with Oklahoma, Auburn, Miami-FL, Alabama.
I don't like it anymore than you do ....... but this is wrong. We have no chance of passing OSU unless they lose.
Our only real chance to be the top-ranked B1G team is:
(1) win out,
(2) have Michigan win out,
(3) have OSU beat Illinois, then beat Wisconsin in the Title Game (OSU is guaranteed to go to Indy if they go 1-1 and we go 2-0).
Ohio State is B1G Champ but has 3 losses. We and Michigan have 2 losses - we have the decisive victory over them. Wisconsin has 2 losses also, but absolutely no quality victories.
That's about the only scenario I can see where we are the top-ranked B1G team.
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LOL Are you really this stupid???? The head to head matters this year and we have the same records. The head to head mattered last year but you had 2 losses!
If you were a 1 loss team right now you'd be ahead of us and would for sure have a playoff spot waiting for you as long as we beat Wisconsin. Sorry the OSU and MSU ruined your entire season in 2 weeks
Translation: The head-to-head matters this year because Ohio State won. The head-to-head did not matter last year because Ohio State lost. The blowout to Michigan mattered last year because Penn State lost. The blowout to Iowa doesn’t matter this year because Ohio State lost. Two losses disqualified Penn State from the CFP last year. Two losses does not disqualify Ohio State from the CFP this year. And so forth.
And since you brought up two losses, ours are by a total of four points, on the road, to top-20 teams. Yours were both blowouts, one at home and the other to an unranked opponent. Which brings us back to the starting point of the discussion, which is that, logically, we should be ranked ahead of you, slightly at least, at this moment of the season.
As for our year being ruined, well, yeah, it would have been pretty amazing if we would have made the CFP, but 10-2 and a major bowl is not so bad either, especially since the program was given up for dead only a few short years ago. You guys, on the other hand, may well get an undeserved CFP slot this year, even as you did last year. How did it work out for you? Oh well, if only Jim Delany got to pick the CFP officiating crews.
I agree with you...we have very little if any shot at the CFP. I just took issue with the idea that OSU is a decisively better team than PSU at this point in the season...they are not. I guess that's not what the poster meant.
LOL Are you really this stupid???? The head to head matters this year and we have the same records. The head to head mattered last year but you had 2 losses!
If you were a 1 loss team right now you'd be ahead of us and would for sure have a playoff spot waiting for you as long as we beat Wisconsin. Sorry the OSU and MSU ruined your entire season in 2 weeks
Even if we beat MSU, OSU still has the inside track to play Wisconsin if both teams win out.
And last year we had one more win in a championship game. Come one man...you can't deny that OSU seems to get the benefit of the doubt more than other programs. Practically every sports outlet in the country has acknowledged this...even your coach said we should have been in the CFP last year.
I wouldn't say ruined...being where PSU is right now considering the past 5 years is nothing short of amazing.
I look at it this way...lets say OSU makes the Playoffs...a lopsided loss...could seriously hurt future opportunities for them and of course credibility with UM ...another chink in the armor....this OSU Team...can be either great like their 4th QTR against us or MSU game...or be awful like Oklahoma , PSU 3 qtrs and of course IOWA...and when awful...they are bad...and that is more a leadership issue...IMO...
Obviously the trend is to favor the bigger teams and OSU benefits from that but it's not a certainty. I said even before we played you this year that if the roles are reversed you will get the playoffs and I still believe it.
If Penn State could've stayed with 1 loss while everyone beats each other you would get the same benefit we did last year. I don't think the Buckeyes are an elite team this year who locked down a spot, but I do think after the chaos is settled they might be the 4th most deserving team.
If you can't comprehend simple comparisons this isn't gonna work, not sure how many times I can explain it.
Penn State wasn't in with 2 losses last year because we only had 1 loss.
Ohio State has a chance to be in with 2 losses because you also have 2 losses.
Do you understand that simple concept?
Agree. And OSU surely did not deserve to be in it last week after Iowa.13th was a fair ranking after that debacle. However s$%t happens and some wacky football took place over the weekend, including a soul-crushing annihilation of MSU. I am fully aware we must accept the bad losses, but we must also recognize the good wins. Now OSU is in a position where a series of not unreasonable things may happen and if OSU wins out, they will have a shot at the playoffs. If you guys would have beaten MSU you would be in the exact same situation as OSU last year and I would be (grudgingly) defending your position to make the CFP as a non-conference winning 1 loss team. But it didn't happen and here we are. There are similarities with last year, but it is not identical. A 2 loss OSUI is in the mix, but like OSU last year, a 1 loss Alabama who does not make the SEC championship would make the playoffs by virtue of their not playing.
No, could you explain it again please?
Haha!
Yes, my good man, I understand your simple concept. Now I submit two more simple concepts for your consideration:
First, based on long observation and experience, it would appear that the “concepts” used to judge the worthiness of college football teams change from year to year, often to the advantage of teams like Ohio State and to the disadvantage of teams like Penn State.
Second, if top-10 team A has two close losses on the road to ranked opponents and top-10 team B has two blowout losses including one to an unranked opponent, then it is not unreasonable to judge that team A should be ranked ahead of team B, notwithstanding that one of team A’s losses was by one point to team B. (Now if team B goes on to beat two additional ranked teams to end the year, well OK, the equation changes.)
Do you understand those two simple concepts?
You make a good point. However, I've been wanting to recharacterize the Oklahoma loss. It was not a blowout. Iowa WAS an embarrassing blowout to a mediocre team - inexcusable. But the Oklahoma loss was only (only, lol) 15 points and OSU led up until 2:00 from the end of the third quarter. Oklahoma is one of the top teams led by a strong Heisman contender. While OSU deserves to have the Iowa massacre held against them, the Oklahoma loss was just a loss to a really good team. I know I'm splitting hairs, but I imagine that's what the committee members do all day anyway.
A 1 loss Alabama (whether their loss is in the SEC championship or not) gets in over a 2 loss OSU because Alabama is a better team than OSU in the minds of everyone (including the committee) who does not live in Ohio including Las Vegas.
The "by virtue of their not playing" is just a fantasy in your mind and the mind of most buckeyes.
Alabama is better than OSU and you know it.
Fair enough...but call me skeptical...I'll believe it when I see it, etc. And sorry, I just can't agree that a team that's lost two games by a combined 46 points the way they did will ever be worthy of a 4-team CFP (don't care how much they beat up on clearly inferior competition).
That said, I appreciate the reasonable conversation from an opposing fan. We don't get that much around here! Thank you.
You're making assumptions and misrepresenting OSU fans. Most of us think Bama is better. I was just saying the opportunity to avoid playing a conference championship game helps a team in some cases.
OK, perhaps “blowout” is an exaggeration. But Oklahoma seized full control of the game in the second half and thoroughly beat you guys there at the Shoe. Yes, I do think that should be “held against” Ohio State for purposes of rankings.
Listen, the larger point I’ve been trying to make to Herm is that you and he may say, and I believe you, that if we only had the one loss but didn’t go to the championship game and the situation were reversed from last year, you would favor Penn State getting the CFP nod as the Bucks did last year.
However, based on long and bitter experience, we have reason to believe that Herbie and the boys at ESPN and the other Usual Suspects who create the background buzz in which the committee operates would look solemnly into the cameras and declare with frownie-faces why This Year Is Different.
Penn State has heard that refrain an awful lot over the years. And I won’t even start into our history in your league with officiating and backroom politics and all the rest. (I say “your league” because the Powers That Be in this conference have never made it feel like “our league.”)
Anyway, that’s the background for some of the irritation and cynicism that I bring to discussions like this. I think a lot of Penn State fans feel this way – and for good reason.
I appreciate it as well these conversations get boring when everyone's agreeing with each other.
Nobody was as embarrassed more than we were with that Iowa loss, our entire fanbase had moved on from even thinking about the playoffs that same very night. Then we had some help with Penn State, Georgia, Notre Dame losing and even though it's unlikely there is still a chance.
I would admit that that Iowa loss would be the worst loss for any playoff team in the 4th year of its existence
Ok, so if OSU wins out and Wiscy wins out, then OSU beats Wiscy in a close game in the Big championship, you're saying Wiscy should go to the CFP and not OSU because Wiscy will have one loss and OSU will have two...right?
The system is rigged in favor of tOSU. They play PSU the week after PSU plays Michigan while they have a bye. They play Michigan the week after Michigan plays Wisconsin. hmmm....
Looking at the rankings that came out last night in some detail, I now have my sad realization face on.
Alabama (1) wins out - they're in.
Clemson (2) and Miami (3) win out until they meet in the ACC championship - winner in and loser out.
Oklahoma (4) wins out - they're in.
Wisconsin (5) loses to either UM or, more likely, OSU - they're out.
Auburn (6) - loses to Alabama - they're out (3 losses).
Georgia (7) - doesn't jump anyone w/no ranked teams left to play - they're out.
ND (8) - doesn't jump anyone as UGA loss doesn't look so good anymore - they're out.
OSU (9) - potential wins against ranked UM and highly ranked Wisconsin - win out and they're in.
One man's (sad) prediction. If ND wins out (which includes ranked Stanford on the road), they might stay ahead of OSU, but my guess is that if OSU wins out their B1G championship win will carry more weight with the committee and they will jump ND and be in at #4.
Thoughts/counter-arguments/musings?
if GA plays in the SEC championship game how do they not have any ranked opponents left?
No ranked opponents until their championship game, in which I predict they get smoked.
Looking at the rankings that came out last night in some detail, I now have my sad realization face on.
Alabama (1) wins out - they're in.
Clemson (2) and Miami (3) win out until they meet in the ACC championship - winner in and loser out.
Oklahoma (4) wins out - they're in.
Wisconsin (5) loses to either UM or, more likely, OSU - they're out.
Auburn (6) - loses to Alabama - they're out (3 losses).
Georgia (7) - doesn't jump anyone w/no ranked teams left to play - they're out.
ND (8) - doesn't jump anyone as UGA loss doesn't look so good anymore - they're out.
OSU (9) - potential wins against ranked UM and highly ranked Wisconsin - win out and they're in.
One man's (sad) prediction. If ND wins out (which includes ranked Stanford on the road), they might stay ahead of OSU, but my guess is that if OSU wins out their B1G championship win will carry more weight with the committee and they will jump ND and be in at #4.
Thoughts/counter-arguments/musings?
No team that loses by 31 points deserves to be in the playoffs!
Tom
Looking at the rankings that came out last night in some detail, I now have my sad realization face on.
Alabama (1) wins out - they're in.
Clemson (2) and Miami (3) win out until they meet in the ACC championship - winner in and loser out.
Oklahoma (4) wins out - they're in.
Wisconsin (5) loses to either UM or, more likely, OSU - they're out.
Auburn (6) - loses to Alabama - they're out (3 losses).
Georgia (7) - doesn't jump anyone w/no ranked teams left to play - they're out.
ND (8) - doesn't jump anyone as UGA loss doesn't look so good anymore - they're out.
OSU (9) - potential wins against ranked UM and highly ranked Wisconsin - win out and they're in.
One man's (sad) prediction. If ND wins out (which includes ranked Stanford on the road), they might stay ahead of OSU, but my guess is that if OSU wins out their B1G championship win will carry more weight with the committee and they will jump ND and be in at #4.
Thoughts/counter-arguments/musings?
i agree with your conclusion. a 2 loss ND team with no conference championship is toast.
I know this will make some heads explode here, but Cowherd had an oddsmaker on his show this afternoon, and the oddsmaker said the bettors had OSU ranked 3rd. Personally, I would have had OSU at least 7 point underdogs to Michigan State last week, but oddsmakers had OSU as around 13 point favorite. So oddsmakers know something. Of course, oddsmakers had OSU beating Iowa by 20 points.
Part of the reason for Iowa beat down was the loss of Bosa and the loss of the Left tackle and Right Guard on back to back plays. The linemen came back, but it seems as if the team had lost its poise after the losses of these players.
Also, line backing play has been OSU's achille's heel this year, and the two substitute linebackers playing at Michigan State (Borland and Harrison) seemed to be more disciplined and poised than the players they replaced.
Part of the reason for Iowa beat down was the loss of Bosa and the loss of the Left tackle and Right Guard on back to back plays. The linemen came back, but it seems as if the team had lost its poise after the losses of these players.
Also, line backing play has been OSU's achille's heel this year, and the two substitute linebackers playing at Michigan State (Borland and Harrison) seemed to be more disciplined and poised than the players they replaced.
LMAO. Hope springs eternal. I bet you have completely forgotten and blocked out the starting LOT and DE for PSU went out during the game vs. OSU. So go away idiot.
"So go away idiot" Why the hostility. I am just discussing the issue. Personally, since OSU lost big time to Iowa it is no big deal to me whether they get in the top 4 or not. If they get in and get lucky it is fine with me, but, again no big deal.
If it's no big deal to you why are you posting this on a PSU board? The hostility is because you are a typical homer fan that does nothing but look at your own team's injuries but completely ignores how you got lucky because of another team's (PSU) injuries. So go away.
We have enough of our own homer fans here, we don't need any from other schools to make it even worse.
We have enough of our own homer fans here, we don't need any from other schools to make it even worse.
"The hostility is because you are a typical homer fan that does nothing but look at your own team's injuries but completely ignores how you got lucky because of another team's (PSU) injuries."
If you want to compare PSU to OSU, (remember your brought this up -- I hadn't intended to) you might want to compare their records against Michigan State this year. OSU plus 45. PSU -3. Differential in OSU favor 48.
I posted ahead of the PSU -- OSU game this year and no one then called me a homer. (I believe I stated that I thought Penn State should have been favored) Say whatever you wish from here on in, I won't bother wasting my time with you.
If you want to compare PSU to OSU, (remember your brought this up -- I hadn't intended to) you might want to compare their records against Michigan State this year. OSU plus 45. PSU -3. Differential in OSU favor 48.
I posted ahead of the PSU -- OSU game this year and no one then called me a homer. (I believe I stated that I thought Penn State should have been favored) Say whatever you wish from here on in, I won't bother wasting my time with you.
It's not just what a team does that determines if they're in the playoffs or not, it's what every other team does. That's why you can't directly compare whether a 2 loss team gets in this year versus last year.
The Buckeyes have played dominating football this year, as dominating as any team in college football, but they've also played well below their potential. It would be a difficult team for the playoff committee to assess. They could certainly beat any team in the playoffs, but could also be blown out, depending if they play to their talent or not.
It was questioned above whether OSU fans would rather make a New Years Day 6 Bowl and win, or go to the playoffs and get blown out. Obviously if we knew the final score beforehand this fan would rather end the season with a win. However, since we don't know the final score, I'd rather go to the playoffs on the chance that the team plays well and win, and take the risk of a disappointing loss.
The Buckeyes have played dominating football this year, as dominating as any team in college football, but they've also played well below their potential. It would be a difficult team for the playoff committee to assess. They could certainly beat any team in the playoffs, but could also be blown out, depending if they play to their talent or not.
It was questioned above whether OSU fans would rather make a New Years Day 6 Bowl and win, or go to the playoffs and get blown out. Obviously if we knew the final score beforehand this fan would rather end the season with a win. However, since we don't know the final score, I'd rather go to the playoffs on the chance that the team plays well and win, and take the risk of a disappointing loss.
Injuries are part of every team's experience, especially this late in the season. Some injuries are more impactful, but the teams that deserve to win championships are the ones that overcome, be it OSU, PSU, or name your program.
As a fellow OSU fan I disagree with dailybuck77 as to why OSU lost to Iowa. The Buckeyes should have won regardless of Bosa being in the game or not. The Buckeyes lost in part because Iowa played great, there was overconfidence to the point when the Hawkeyes were making plays there was no sense on urgency and no upping of intensity by the Bucks. As the game wore on they combined pressing to hard and chokimg with panic as the fear of the loss finally set. No excuses and if that keeps them out of the playoffs, then no one to blame but themselves.
Your loss to Iowa looks a lot worse than Penn State's (last year) to Michigan (remember, Herbie and others said, "Penn St doesnt meet the eye test". Now the shoe's on the other foot. OSU getting in the CFB playoff is a pipe dream even if they somehow beat Wisconsin and are BIG Champs. Ha Ha!
OSU losing to Oklahoma at home by two tds and then gets annililated by Iowa. Dont care if they beat Wisconsin, they don't meet the eye test.
Dude. Don't try to defend it. Just let it be. Trounced. No other possible description.
On the bright side, we still have a path to the CFP.
If the Buckeyes win out they are in the CFP according to 538 stats.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-college-football-predictions/
From USA Today:
Last weekend was always going to shake up the College Football Playoff picture. It's hard to avoid any changes at the top when three games match top 10 opponents.
The surprise was how easy Miami (Fla.), Oklahoma and Auburn all rolled to victories, and the disappointing showings of Georgia and Notre Dame that left the Bulldogs with no margin for error and the Irish likely headed to a New Year's Six bowl.
The Sooners and Ohio State ultimately ended up as the biggest beneficiaries of the crazy day by moving into the playoff field. They join projected SEC champion Alabama and ACC champion Clemson.
Oklahoma just needs to beat Kansas, West Virginia and its Big 12 title opponent to secure its spot. The Buckeyes likely squeak in as a two-loss Big Ten champion ahead of the one-loss Hurricanes, Wisconsin or a two-loss Pac-12 champion. Of course, a lot is still to happen with three weeks left in the season.
RE-RANK: Miami (Fla.), Auburn surge up rankings after big wins
PERFECT FIT: Richt has Miami (Fla.) back among elite in college football
TEN REASONS: Why Tennessee should try to rehire Lane Kiffin
For those keeping score, there are 39 bowls (78 totals spots), not counting the College Football Playoff championship game. Among the 128 schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision eligible for a bowl (Mississippi and Coastal Carolina are not), 59 teams have reached the required six wins. There are 24 teams already are eliminated with seven losses.
Reminder: Some conferences may not fulfill their bowl allotment. Asterisks denote a replacement pick.
