OSU

[dbldoofus]

I thought it changed from Beaver College to Arcadia when it became co-ed. I found out part of the reason for the name change was that its website was getting blocked by filtering systems (presumably get misidentified as a porn site). The first one was a bad joke. The second is actually true.

Correct on both counts, matter.
One thing for sure, even with my degree, I have no desire to wear an Arcadia University sweatshirt. But I wish I still had my Beaver College one.

 

[jack66]

You and I discussed the Engineers a bit last year. The NCAA performance was poor, and while for you it was shocking for me more of the expected.
You just can't wrestle every match with a game plan to win by a point, and Lehigh seemingly does wrestle with a style designed to keep it close with a shot at the end. I grew up wanting to attend Lehigh, and I have always rooted for them. They spend so much time in reverse I can't stand to watch most Lehigh kids wrestle anymore.

Agree, there is something wrong with your coaching strategy when two of your top wrestlers, Kutler and Preisch, spend a total of 6 minutes on the mats without taking a shot.

Sure, on a short sighted view they were able to keep their matches against Hall and Bo close, but how do you get better when you don't wrestle.

 

[Dar.of.Emur]

It should be a good battle for second place between Iowa, OSU and tOSU.

As much as I appreciate my school being mentioned above, I just do think they will finish 2nd. This will be the first year where we dont have Logan Steiber or Kyle Snyder on the roster. That was 7 straight years of a sure-fire finalist. There is no sure-thing in our lineup next year (tho I think McKenna and Myles Martin are highly likely to be finalists, and Kollin Moore is a possible). Iowa has 25-28 points from Spencer Lee alone. Unless injury, the Hawkeyes are finishing 2nd, and tOSU and OSU will fight for 3rd.

 

[nitlion6]

Agree, there is something wrong with your coaching strategy when two of your top wrestlers, Kutler and Preisch, spend a total of 6 minutes on the mats without taking a shot.

Sure, on a short sighted view they were able to keep their matches against Hall and Bo close, but how do you get better when you don't wrestle.

Those matches against Mark and Bo were poor barometers. Lehigh gets just as much respect as other programs not named Ohio State or Iowa in preparation. On December 2 just as they did on November 27 the squad drilled at full throttle with no tapering off and the expectations are to compete through the fatigue.

 

[nitlion6]

As much as I appreciate my school being mentioned above, I just do think they will finish 2nd. This will be the first year where we dont have Logan Steiber or Kyle Snyder on the roster. That was 7 straight years of a sure-fire finalist. There is no sure-thing in our lineup next year (tho I think McKenna and Myles Martin are highly likely to be finalists, and Kollin Moore is a possible). Iowa has 25-28 points from Spencer Lee alone. Unless injury, the Hawkeyes are finishing 2nd, and tOSU and OSU will fight for 3rd.

You don't have either one next year, but you aren't losing both off this year's team. You lose BoJo, but you probably are replacing him with a talent still focused on wrestling.

Since there doesn't seem to be a planned punt, my guess is Ohio State will represent themselves quite well.

The NCAA is a different animal. To achieve as a team, a team needs talent and that talent needs to perform exceptionally well each time they step on the mat.

True the Bucks do not have a talent equal to Spencer, but the talent at the other weights is not necessarily an Iowa lean.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Agree, there is something wrong with your coaching strategy when two of your top wrestlers, Kutler and Preisch, spend a total of 6 minutes on the mats without taking a shot.

Sure, on a short sighted view they were able to keep their matches against Hall and Bo close, but how do you get better when you don't wrestle.

In all honesty, shooting against Bo isn’t necessarily a recipe for a long match either.... ask MM, or any Iowa kid he has wrestled.

 

[jack66]

In all honesty, shooting against Bo isn’t necessarily a recipe for a long match either.... ask MM, or any Iowa kid he has wrestled.

Oh, I agree that a bad shot against Bo can get you pinned real fast, but I'm talking about trying to improve. By wrestling not to lose you miss that opportunity IMO

Compare to a guy like Nick Lee who is perhaps too aggressive at times and it cost him a few matches, but he learned from those mistakes and should come back stronger.

 

[Ja1339]

I thought it changed from Beaver College to Arcadia when it became co-ed. I found out part of the reason for the name change was that its website was getting blocked by filtering systems (presumably get misidentified as a porn site). The first one was a bad joke. The second is actually true.

Nephew just graduated from Arcadia. I read that Beaver College grads were given an option to return their Beaver diplomas for Arcadia diplomas. Not kidding.

 

[dbldoofus]

Nephew just graduated from Arcadia. I read that Beaver College grads were given an option to return their Beaver diplomas for Arcadia diplomas. Not kidding.

I didn’t return mine. They sent me an Arcadia one too. With my middle name misspelled.

 

[PSU Mike]

I didn’t return mine. They sent me an Arcadia one too. With my middle name misspelled.

dblduefus?

 

[raslen007]

The change was academics-based. Lehigh didn't want to be pigeon-holed as an engineering school and wanted to emphasize other aspects/majors in its curriculum. So they changed the sports teams' mascot/name. It's always seemed like confused thinking to me.

The athletic teams of Lehigh (founded in 1865) were known as the Engineers until the 1995–96 academic year. Some believe that this nickname was a reference to the Lehigh Valley Railroad, not to the school's academic engineering program. However, there was also a logo of a giant Lehigh Engineer looking through a surveyor's transit while an airliner flew over him and a diesel passenger train steamed beneath his feet in use at Lehigh during the 1950s and 60s. As the university expanded following the advent of coeducation in 1971, while the number of engineering students remained steady, the percentage of students enrolled in engineering declined from 50% to about 30%. As a result, during the school's 1988 appearance in the men's NCAA basketball tournament, TV commentators were encouraged to refer to the school by its colors, Brown and White.

Beginning in the 1980s and until 1995, the team used a logo of a train locomotive with an "L" on the front. In November 1995, the school introduced the Mountain Hawk as a mascot, replacing the "L train", which stemmed from a popular, student-based movement to come up with a suitable mascot; the Mountain Hawk was officially voted in as the new mascot by the Lehigh Student Senate soon after. Controversy arose the following year, when the school's nickname was changed to the Mountain Hawks. Many alumni and students, including various members of Lehigh's Marching 97, still object, though the school's athletes were cited as being strong supporters of this change.The school still lists all three nicknames (Engineers, Brown & White, and Mountain Hawks) in its media guides. In November 2008, just before the 144th game against Lafayette, the mascot was given the name "Clutch." The name was chosen after a long contest of name suggestions and voting.

 

[Ban Basketball]

The change was academics-based. Lehigh didn't want to be pigeon-holed as an engineering school and wanted to emphasize other aspects/majors in its curriculum. So they changed the sports teams' mascot/name. It's always seemed like confused thinking to me.

Is Lehigh still considered an engineering school today?

 

[jschrantz]

Is Lehigh still considered an engineering school today?

Pretty much so

 

[matter7172]

Is Lehigh still considered an engineering school today?

I think their business program is considered to be pretty strong and very few of the people I've known in this century that thought about it as a landing spot were thinking about the engineering program. But I believe it has little to do with changing their mascot from the Engineers to the Mountain Hawks.

 

[matter7172]

The athletic teams of Lehigh (founded in 1865) were known as the Engineers until the 1995–96 academic year. Some believe that this nickname was a reference to the Lehigh Valley Railroad, not to the school's academic engineering program. However, there was also a logo of a giant Lehigh Engineer looking through a surveyor's transit while an airliner flew over him and a diesel passenger train steamed beneath his feet in use at Lehigh during the 1950s and 60s. As the university expanded following the advent of coeducation in 1971, while the number of engineering students remained steady, the percentage of students enrolled in engineering declined from 50% to about 30%. As a result, during the school's 1988 appearance in the men's NCAA basketball tournament, TV commentators were encouraged to refer to the school by its colors, Brown and White.

Beginning in the 1980s and until 1995, the team used a logo of a train locomotive with an "L" on the front. In November 1995, the school introduced the Mountain Hawk as a mascot, replacing the "L train", which stemmed from a popular, student-based movement to come up with a suitable mascot; the Mountain Hawk was officially voted in as the new mascot by the Lehigh Student Senate soon after. Controversy arose the following year, when the school's nickname was changed to the Mountain Hawks. Many alumni and students, including various members of Lehigh's Marching 97, still object, though the school's athletes were cited as being strong supporters of this change.The school still lists all three nicknames (Engineers, Brown & White, and Mountain Hawks) in its media guides. In November 2008, just before the 144th game against Lafayette, the mascot was given the name "Clutch." The name was chosen after a long contest of name suggestions and voting.

Great find. Thanks. I learn something new every day.

 

[jschrantz]

I think their business program is considered to be pretty strong and very few of the people I've known in this century that thought about it as a landing spot were thinking about the engineering program. But I believe it has little to do with changing their mascot from the Engineers to the Mountain Hawks.

I guess this is where perception and reality differ, everyone in the Lehigh Valley I know thinks it’s an engineering school still, then again we’re a bit older and probably out of touch with today’s Lehigh

 

[nitlion6]

1/3 of Lehigh's student population study engineering.
A Lehigh engineering degree means something. As does a Lehigh MBA.

 

[dbldoofus]

dblduefus?

Nice. Lewis, not Louis.

 

[raslen007]

Great find. Thanks. I learn something new every day.

Wikipedia - I am naturally lazy

 

[nitlion6]

Wikipedia - I am naturally lazy

There is nothing wrong about having that skill set. It is all about how you present it.

 

[LDandy]

As much as I appreciate my school being mentioned above, I just do think they will finish 2nd. This will be the first year where we dont have Logan Steiber or Kyle Snyder on the roster. That was 7 straight years of a sure-fire finalist. There is no sure-thing in our lineup next year (tho I think McKenna and Myles Martin are highly likely to be finalists, and Kollin Moore is a possible). Iowa has 25-28 points from Spencer Lee alone. Unless injury, the Hawkeyes are finishing 2nd, and tOSU and OSU will fight for 3rd.

Spencer Lee is an elite wrestler, and on paper he brings a ton of points to the table for The Hawks. That said he's still human and not above getting caught by a fluke pin at a high level tournament like nationals. Think D.Taylor vs B. Jenkins. Even if he can avoid the unseen he still needs to navigate a stout field to repeat.

OSU returns a lot of firepower with a few unproven but talented kids set to crack the lineup. While you simply don't replace Tomo, a grown ass man, and Captain America, the kids set to debut certainly don't lack in potential. Assuming no massive red shirt initiative there is a legit chance for 5-7 All Americans in that lineup. If a kid like Campbell gets his head together maybe he adds something to the mix. Maybe a newcomer like Romero breaks out? At this point I wouldn't cede The Hawks 2nd nor should The Pokes.