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[Bob78]

Right but beating them isn't a quality win in anyone's mind...agreed?

Disagree.
A win over Pitt is a very good thing. Name opponent from a national view, one-time rivalry, recruiting implications, bragging rights, etc.

A series with Pitt is not a good thing. That's the difference. Going 3-1 vs. them is expected at this point, and they are not expected to be ACC conference contenders at any time during that run.

 

[Relayer]

Fair breakdown...again, my only real issue is with us scheduling Pitt as our "big game"...that just can't happen moving forward. Hopefully it won't

Somebody must think Pitt is a big game, they stuck it in prime time on ABC.

 

[Bob78]

Fair breakdown...again, my only real issue is with us scheduling Pitt as our "big game"...that just can't happen moving forward. Hopefully it won't

A big, marquis OOC game each year is a nice to have, not a need to have, when you are guaranteed to play marquis games vs. Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State each season, plus Wisconsin or Nebraska every now and then. And that unfairly ignores Iowa, who we have this year for the 3rd of 6 straight seasons.

I still want us to play a big-name, marquis OOC game most years, and starting in 2020, we do for a string of years. But every other season, we have a killer home schedule with just our B1G games, this year included.

We want to get into the 4 game invitational as many seasons as possible. It is hard to go 12-0 / 13-0. Hard to go 11-1 / 12-1. Hard to go 10-2 / maybe 11-2. The harder the OOC marquis game is, the little bit less of a chance we have to get there, because going with a 0 in the "L" column is gonna be a college football / B1G East miracle.

 

[GringoStarr99]

Might need to get in line @ Franklin BBQ now in order to make kickoff in 2030...

https://franklinbbq.com/

 

[78SweetRevenge]

A big, marquis OOC game each year is a nice to have, not a need to have, when you are guaranteed to play marquis games vs. Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State each season, plus Wisconsin or Nebraska every now and then. And that unfairly ignores Iowa, who we have this year for the 3rd of 6 straight seasons.

I still want us to play a big-name, marquis OOC game most years, and starting in 2020, we do for a string of years. But every other season, we have a killer home schedule with just our B1G games, this year included.

We want to get into the 4 game invitational as many seasons as possible. It is hard to go 12-0 / 13-0. Hard to go 11-1 / 12-1. Hard to go 10-2 / maybe 11-2. The harder the OOC marquis game is, the little bit less of a chance we have to get there, because going with a 0 in the "L" column is gonna be a college football / B1G East miracle.

I would have said Northwestern instead of Iowa but look how we're scheduling moving forward--we know this was a mistake and it may have been primarily because of the sanctions but nonetheless it was a mistake

I may have the wrong approach but I don't want to back into the playoffs like Washington did. I'm not saying schedule Bama, Clemson and Georgia as our 3 non-conference games. I'm happy with Va Tech, Auburn, Texas, etc. Not WVU

 

[psuro]

Disagree.
A win over Pitt is a very good thing. Name opponent from a national view, one-time rivalry, recruiting implications, bragging rights, etc.

A series with Pitt is not a good thing. That's the difference. Going 3-1 vs. them is expected at this point, and they are not expected to be ACC conference contenders at any time during that run.

Other than a bunch of guys over 45, mostly from west of Altoona and east of the Ohio state line, no one cares about the Penn State Pitt rivalry. Win or lose. Because no one really cares about Pitt.

 

[fastlax16]

Okay fair enough...which non-conference slate is more difficult as a whole

Pitt, App State & Kent State
TCU, Oregon State & Tulane

Which conference slate is tougher ?
MSU/OSU/michigan/Wisconsin
MSU/PSU/Michigan/Nebraska

 

[Option Bob]

Which conference slate is tougher ?
MSU/OSU/michigan/Wisconsin
MSU/PSU/Michigan/Nebraska

Right now, I would vote the top schedule more difficult because I think Wisconsin is much better than Nebraska. However, once Scott Frost rebuilds that program, I would expect the bottom schedule will be tougher.

 

[Bob78]

I would have said Northwestern instead of Iowa but look how we're scheduling moving forward--we know this was a mistake and it may have been primarily because of the sanctions but nonetheless it was a mistake

I may have the wrong approach but I don't want to back into the playoffs like Washington did. I'm not saying schedule Bama, Clemson and Georgia as our 3 non-conference games. I'm happy with Va Tech, Auburn, Texas, etc. Not WVU

If we get into the Invitational, with our B1G East schedule in any given year, and assuming a B1G Championship game win, we won't have backed in. It will have been earned, regardless of a huge marquis OOC game or not. Washington's Pac12 schedule and title game win over Colorado in 2016 was nowhere near the level of difficulty of ours then or now. I think they missed USC that season (?? - could be wrong), who was arguably the best team in the PAC 12 by the end of the season.

 

[PSUcup1]

If we get into the Invitational, with our B1G East schedule in any given year, and assuming a B1G Championship game win, we won't have backed in. It will have been earned, regardless of a huge marquis OOC game or not. Washington's Pac12 schedule and title game win over Colorado in 2016 was nowhere near the level of difficulty of ours then or now. I think they missed USC that season (?? - could be wrong), who was arguably the best team in the PAC 12 by the end of the season.

They actually lost to USC that year in Washington

 

[clubeb]

Okay fair enough...which non-conference slate is more difficult as a whole

Pitt, App State & Kent State
TCU, Oregon State & Tulane

Look pretty equal to me.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Which conference slate is tougher ?
MSU/OSU/michigan/Wisconsin
MSU/PSU/Michigan/Nebraska

You keep ignoring that teams have no control over that...that's the point...the discussion is what we control.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

If we get into the Invitational, with our B1G East schedule in any given year, and assuming a B1G Championship game win, we won't have backed in. It will have been earned, regardless of a huge marquis OOC game or not. Washington's Pac12 schedule and title game win over Colorado in 2016 was nowhere near the level of difficulty of ours then or now. I think they missed USC that season (?? - could be wrong), who was arguably the best team in the PAC 12 by the end of the season.

I agree regarding Washington
We can't pretend the Big Ten East will always remain at this level--hence we are scheduling better moving forward. I don't actually believe anyone is happy with our current OOC schedule.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Look pretty equal to me.

Okay, if you think they're comparable you don't follow college football nationally. TCU alone creates a huge gap

 

[Bob78]

Other than a bunch of guys over 45, mostly from west of Altoona and east of the Ohio state line, no one cares about the Penn State Pitt rivalry. Win or lose. Because no one really cares about Pitt.

Generally, I agree. There is no more rivalry with them.
But a win over them, in and of itself, in any given season or sport, is a good thing regardless.
A series with them is not a good thing, for the reasons you state. Because no one really cares about Pitt.
Even me, an over-45 farte d'olde who loved the rivalry back in the day. Don't care about them. Would rather never play them in football ever again.
But a win over them is still a good thing to me... the game on Sept. 8 ain't going away, and we have bigger visions for this and future seasons.

 

[clubeb]

Okay, if you think they're comparable you don't follow college football nationally. TCU alone creates a huge gap

Gee I played college football, and a very short stint with Detroit. I follow college football almost to the point of stupid. Those 2 schedules are almost identical in difficulty.

 

[psuro]

Gee I played college football, and a very short stint with Detroit. I follow college football almost to the point of stupid. Those 2 schedules are almost identical in difficulty.

Derrick Williams?
Ed Johnson?
Joey Harrington?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Gee I played college football, and a very short stint with Detroit. I follow college football almost to the point of stupid. Those 2 schedules are almost identical in difficulty.

So, in your expert opinion TCU under Patterson is comparable to Pitt...I'll wait...without them being close to comparable you don't have an argument.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

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Which is why there is a better than 50% chance the SEC gets 2 teams in the CFP (again) and the B1G will get 0. It is very likely the only way the B1G is going to have a team in the CFP is if the B1G conference champ finishes with 0 or 1 loss.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Which is why there is a better than 50% chance the SEC gets 2 teams in the CFP (again) and the B1G will get 0. It is very likely the only way the B1G is going to have a team in the CFP is if the B1G conference champ finishes with 0 or 1 loss.

The SEC will get two teams (assuming 2 of Bama/Auburn/Georgia have 1 loss or less) because of their reputations and that, contrary to what many say, the committee cares about perceived talent.

Ohio State and Michigan State getting blown out is also being held against the Big Ten )including us) which is why it's dumb when our fan base enjoys those results

 

[Art]

This season, Ohio State's OOC is more challenging than ours overall.
At this point of the season:

TCU > Pitt. (TCU is a real good OOC matchup of pre-season ranked teams; Pitt being a far more emotion-driven game for fans, though)

App State = or > Oregon State (App State has more fan appeal than Oregon State, if for no more than the novelty aspect they bring. App State will compete for their league title and be in a bowl... not sure Oregon State will win the needed 6 games to reach a bowl. P5 is not always better than G5 as a matchup, though).

Tulane > Kent State (low fan interest both cases; at least the average Kent State fan can easily travel to the game if they choose. Tulane has some expectation for improvement this season over last; not so much for Kent State. But, the game is on my birthday, so we have that going for us!)

Okay, but assuming that things go as they should, none of that will matter more than the result of PSU v OSU.

 

[PSUSignore]

Might need to get in line @ Franklin BBQ now in order to make kickoff in 2030...

https://franklinbbq.com/

I will have a Franklin BBQ brisket at my tailgate for the OSU game. Follow your nose and maybe you can find me and try a bite.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Okay, but assuming that things go as they should, none of that will matter more than the result of PSU v OSU.

Pretty sure we beat Ohio State but got left out because they beat Oklahoma while we lost to Michigan and Pitt...generally speaking I agree but that's not always true

 

[Art]

Pretty sure we beat Ohio State but got left out because they beat Oklahoma while we lost to Michigan and Pitt...generally speaking I agree but that's not always true

Yes, Ohio State lost one game and Penn State lost two. The subject was relative strength of OOC schedule, so bring up something that isn't relevant again, dipshit.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Yes, Ohio State lost one game and Penn State lost two. The subject was relative strength of OOC schedule, so bring up something that isn't relevant again, dipshit.

Just stating facts which I know frustrates you when you aren't the one providing them

 

[Art]

Just stating facts which I know frustrates you when you aren't the one providing them

Wyoming is a state. Fact. Has as much pertinence to the argument as your facts.

 

[AWS1022]

I would have said Northwestern instead of Iowa but look how we're scheduling moving forward--we know this was a mistake and it may have been primarily because of the sanctions but nonetheless it was a mistake

I may have the wrong approach but I don't want to back into the playoffs like Washington did. I'm not saying schedule Bama, Clemson and Georgia as our 3 non-conference games. I'm happy with Va Tech, Auburn, Texas, etc. Not WVU

And will you say that after WVU wins the Big 12 this year?

 

[uhlerlion]

Fixed it for ya’

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[clubeb]

So, in your expert opinion TCU under Patterson is comparable to Pitt...I'll wait...without them being close to comparable you don't have an argument.

TCU is probably a better team than Pitt, but that is moot at this point, I also think at this point that both App St and Kent St are better teams than either Tulane or Oregon St. There fore pretty even at this point.

 

[clubeb]

Derrick Williams?
Ed Johnson?
Joey Harrington?

Later

 

[psuro]

Later

Alligator.

 

[doctornick]

Surely it would be great to add Texas in 2030-2031 (presumably home in 2030 and away in 2031 if the Big Ten keeps the current scheduling pattern, though it's a long way off). It's good to hear that we re at least having conversations with teams like that.

But I'm concerned with 2026-2029 -- we still have not scheduled anyone those years and many marquee teams are already pretty much locked up. Hopefully, we can get a high quality opponent for those years in the near future.

 

[fastlax16]

You keep ignoring that teams have no control over that...that's the point...the discussion is what we control.

No I’m not, I’m saying it’s not relevant this season. You ignore the fact that schedules are looked at as a whole. We play the entire schedule not the ooc component with the last 2.5 months off. If you want to bitch about ooc hurting the team next year, feel free cuz it might.

Who has a tougher schedule this season in the current top 15 than psu? Michigan and who else? You won’t answer even though I’ve asked you to multiple times.

 

[djr4rebs]

Texas hasn't been good since Alabama thumped them in a title game. 4 losing seasons. 9 win high over the span. Yes, they have name value, but that is it right now. And the series is over 10 years away.

 

[Woodpecker]

 

[psuro]

Which begs the question....will AustinNit escape his girlfriend's cavernous vijayjay in time for the Penn State - Texas game in 12/13 years? I mean - they got that soccer team out of the cavern in Thailand in less time than that.

 

[Bob78]

TCU is probably a better team than Pitt, but that is moot at this point, I also think at this point that both App St and Kent St are better teams than either Tulane or Oregon St. There fore pretty even at this point.

I wouldn't go to bat for Kent State in this 4-team argument. They are one of the worst teams in the entire ~130 team 1A division coming into this season. Not sure how much improvement can be expected from them.
App. State is certainly expected to be the best of these 4 coming into this season. Tulane made a couple steps forward last season, and will likely show some improvement this season under Willie Fritz. Oregon State is still probably the least of the PAC12 teams, but still at least marginally better than the least of the MAC teams.
Tulane may be better than Oregon State, but both are better than Kent State, unless some minor football miracle unfolds for them Golden BadAss Flashes.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

No I’m not, I’m saying it’s not relevant this season. You ignore the fact that schedules are looked at as a whole. We play the entire schedule not the ooc component with the last 2.5 months off. If you want to bitch about ooc hurting the team next year, feel free cuz it might.

Who has a tougher schedule this season in the current top 15 than psu? Michigan and who else? You won’t answer even though I’ve asked you to multiple times.

It is relevant. Don't people here all bash the SEC for not traveling north? Or Florida teams for not leaving the state for non-conference games? It is relevant. We need to do a better job and seeing the future schedules proves me right.

I've never said our overall schedule is weak. I said the OOC is horrible, which it is. Pitt can't be our top game.

We have 4-5 games that shouldn't be over by the half if we're as good as we think. Iowa's questionable since it's at home. Every OOC is poor on paper--that can't even be disputed.

When did you ever ask me who had a harder schedule in the top 15? Obviously Michigan does...no one else does on paper other than maybe Ohio State depending on what TCU becomes. This is solely out the weak ass non-conference slate that isn't acceptable.

 

[fastlax16]

It is relevant. Don't people here all bash the SEC for not traveling north? Or Florida teams for not leaving the state for non-conference games? It is relevant. We need to do a better job and seeing the future schedules proves me right.

I've never said our overall schedule is weak. I said the OOC is horrible, which it is. Pitt can't be our top game.

We have 4-5 games that shouldn't be over by the half if we're as good as we think. Iowa's questionable since it's at home. Every OOC is poor on paper--that can't even be disputed.

When did you ever ask me who had a harder schedule in the top 15? Obviously Michigan does...no one else does on paper other than maybe Ohio State depending on what TCU becomes. This is solely out the weak ass non-conference slate that isn't acceptable.

Alabama plays a one game regular season. So does Georgia. Every other game they play should be over by halftime. Our ooc is fine when taken in context of the entire schedule. Next season it could be a problem.

Our ooc doesn’t exist in a vacuum and bitching about a schedule that was made during the sanctions makes little sense given the murderers row we would have gone through to win the conference. Playing a top 15 team ooc and losing wouldn’t help us, playing a top 15 team and winning would be incremental if we take care of business against osu/MSU/um and Wisconsin.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Alabama plays a one game regular season. So does Georgia. Every other game they play should be over by halftime. Our ooc is fine when taken in context of the entire schedule. Next season it could be a problem.

Our ooc doesn’t exist in a vacuum and bitching about a schedule that was made during the sanctions makes little sense given the murderers row we would have gone through to win the conference. Playing a top 15 team ooc and losing wouldn’t help us, playing a top 15 team and winning would be incremental if we take care of business against osu/MSU/um and Wisconsin.

If you want to use the sanctions as an excuse that's fine but defending the non-conference schedule is insanity. As a fan, you should want better games...as should every program.

You're also acting as though we knew those 4 teams would be top 15 programs right now when we schedule the weak ass non-conference slate...we didn't. That was pure luck. This is why the discussion is "what you control"