Penn State and Texas working on home and home

[fastlax16]

If you want to use the sanctions as an excuse that's fine but defending the non-conference schedule is insanity. As a fan, you should want better games...as should every program.

You're also acting as though we knew those 4 teams would be top 15 programs right now when we schedule the weak ass non-conference slate...we didn't. That was pure luck. This is why the discussion is "what you control"

Im not defending it. I’m saying it is irrelevant this season. Whether we knew how the schedule would play out or not is also irrelevant. The schedule is what it is and in this case it is damn good overall and doesn’t need to be any more difficult. Ooc is also pure luck. Narduzzicould have been a competent coach and pitt wouldn’t have been hot garbage. As you note, it improves in the coming years, so what exactly are you trying to achieve? I’m sure you’ll be first to complain if auburn or va tech are below average any years we play them.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Im not defending it. I’m saying it is irrelevant this season. Whether we knew how the schedule would play out or not is also irrelevant. The schedule is what it is and in this case it is damn good overall and doesn’t need to be any more difficult. Ooc is also pure luck. Narduzzicould have been a competent coach and pitt wouldn’t have been hot garbage. As you note, it improves in the coming years, so what exactly are you trying to achieve? I’m sure you’ll be first to complain if auburn or va tech are below average any years we play them.

I judge who teams schedule based on what one would reasonably expect that team to be. I will never complain about playing Auburn or Va Tech--save this

Scheduling Pitt is not the same as scheduling those teams and you know it

You don't believe it's relevant--I do. To each their own. Just don't complain if there's a ton of 1 or 2 loss teams and we're left out. Our OOC will make that the right decision

 

[fastlax16]

I judge who teams schedule based on what one would reasonably expect that team to be. I will never complain about playing Auburn or Va Tech--save this

Scheduling Pitt is not the same as scheduling those teams and you know it

You don't believe it's relevant--I do. To each their own. Just don't complain if there's a ton of 1 or 2 loss teams and we're left out. Our OOC will make that the right decision

Oh please. They look at overall schedules not ooc. No one is going to ding us for sos.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Oh please. They look at overall schedules not ooc. No one is going to ding us for sos.

Again, don't complain if they talk about our OOC in a negative way.

 

[fastlax16]

Again, don't complain if they talk about our OOC in a negative way.

It’s a comparable ooc to many of the teams we’d be compared against and our in-conference schedule is better than any of those schools.

Just for the record you’re saying ooc sos is more important than overall sos?

 

[djr4rebs]

Pitt at 5-7 isn't really all that much different than Florida State at 6-6 (bowl game left off for post CCG week playoff seeding purposes). Perception is different, but last year they were basically equal on the field.

Did this hurt Alabama? Nope. Or does preseason perception mean more?

 

[kgilbert78]

Wouldn't want to live there, but Austin is a nice place to visit. This is one of the few road games left that I would definitely go to.

Not me. Austin has been very busy stealing my team. &&% 'em.

#SavetheCrew

 

[fastlax16]

Wouldn't want to live there, but Austin is a nice place to visit. This is one of the few road games left that I would definitely go to.

I lived in Austin for two years. Loved every minute of it, probably my favorite city in the us.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

It’s a comparable ooc to many of the teams we’d be compared against and our in-conference schedule is better than any of those schools.

Just for the record you’re saying ooc sos is more important than overall sos?

I'm saying...if it's close at the end of the year between us and another Big Ten school or Washington the committee is going to point to games against schools like TCU, Notre Dame & Auburn as control the program had and it will be held against us. And we all know with identical records the SEC and Clemson get in over us...probably Oklahoma too. We need to be doing everything possible to be in the discussion. Pitt as our top OOC game will be held against us if things are close.

The committee doesn't actually care about SOS...I think we've learned that.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Pitt at 5-7 isn't really all that much different than Florida State at 6-6 (bowl game left off for post CCG week playoff seeding purposes). Perception is different, but last year they were basically equal on the field.

Did this hurt Alabama? Nope. Or does preseason perception mean more?

The played FSU with Francois...that was considered

 

[PSUSignore]

Not me. Austin has been very busy stealing my team. &&% 'em.

#SavetheCrew

Precourt stole your team. Austin is just capitalizing on the opportunity that's in front of them.

 

[djr4rebs]

The played FSU with Francois...that was considered

Francois is worth how many wins?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Francois is worth how many wins?

Last year for FSU...probably 3. They probably beat NCSU, Miami and Louisville. I think those were all one score games and Blackman was awful. That FSU team shouldn't have been 6-6. Jimbo gets some blame for allowing it to collapse the way it did

 

[fastlax16]

I'm saying...if it's close at the end of the year between us and another Big Ten school or Washington the committee is going to point to games against schools like TCU, Notre Dame & Auburn as control the program had and it will be held against us. And we all know with identical records the SEC and Clemson get in over us...probably Oklahoma too. We need to be doing everything possible to be in the discussion. Pitt as our top OOC game will be held against us if things are close.

The committee doesn't actually care about SOS...I think we've learned that.

No it won’t. Wisconsin/msu/Wisconsin/osu > auburn/Stanford. Gtfo w washington getting some sort of tiebreaker because they're playing auburn ooc. Tell me it was great they played them when they lose. Ditto for Oklahoma’s schedule.

Regarding sec/Clemson: if it doesn’t matter anyway because they’re getting in over us with equal records we should schedule cupcakes ooc to increase the odds we finish with another win.

 

[Woodpecker]

I judge who teams schedule based on what one would reasonably expect that team to be. I will never complain about playing Auburn or Va Tech--save this

Scheduling Pitt is not the same as scheduling those teams and you know it

You don't believe it's relevant--I do. To each their own. Just don't complain if there's a ton of 1 or 2 loss teams and we're left out. Our OOC will make that the right decision

I agree that scheduling Pitt as the home-and-home has hurt Penn State although, at the time it was scheduled, I suppose that I understand the reasoning. What are your thoughts on Wisconsin scheduling a home-and-home with Pitt for '26 and '27? I'll probably have my ashes scattered in Beaver Stadium by then but will you have the same rant if UW is in contention for a playoff spot then?

 

[LemonEars]

I agree that scheduling Pitt as the home-and-home has hurt Penn State although, at the time it was scheduled, I suppose that I understand the reasoning. What are your thoughts on Wisconsin scheduling a home-and-home with Pitt for '26 and '27? I'll probably have my ashes scattered in Beaver Stadium by then but will you have the same rant if UW is in contention for a playoff spot then?

Wisconsin would be foolish to schedule a home and home with the pitters. Their program is far superior to the pitters program. Wisconsin should only play the pitters in Wisconsin, never at the pitter's rented stadium.

 

[Woodpecker]

Wisconsin would be foolish to schedule a home and home with the pitters. Their program is far superior to the pitters program. Wisconsin should only play the pitters in Wisconsin, never at the pitter's rented stadium.

Done deal

 

[78SweetRevenge]

No it won’t. Wisconsin/msu/Wisconsin/osu > auburn/Stanford. Gtfo w washington getting some sort of tiebreaker because they're playing auburn ooc. Tell me it was great they played them when they lose. Ditto for Oklahoma’s schedule.

Regarding sec/Clemson: if it doesn’t matter anyway because they’re getting in over us with equal records we should schedule cupcakes ooc to increase the odds we finish with another win.

Watch and see

 

[78SweetRevenge]

I agree that scheduling Pitt as the home-and-home has hurt Penn State although, at the time it was scheduled, I suppose that I understand the reasoning. What are your thoughts on Wisconsin scheduling a home-and-home with Pitt for '26 and '27? I'll probably have my ashes scattered in Beaver Stadium by then but will you have the same rant if UW is in contention for a playoff spot then?

If Pitt is Wisconsin's top game that isn't good enough...I'll give them the same grief I'm giving us.
For the record, Wisconsin's non-conference slate needs to be better as well....BYU, USF, Washington State, Pitt isn't going to cut it. Notre Dame and Virginia Tech is good for them though.

 

[LemonEars]

Done deal

Maybe this is just Paul Chryst's sense of humor. After serving a short audition at pitt he went on to coach in the big time. Chryst can be giggling on the sidelines at Heinz when he is ahead by 65 points. Plus Chryst probably knows the handful of fans who attend the game at Heinz. He can walk around and call to them by name and say hello.

 

[fastlax16]

If Pitt is Wisconsin's top game that isn't good enough...I'll give them the same grief I'm giving us.
For the record, Wisconsin's non-conference slate needs to be better as well....BYU, USF, Washington State, Pitt isn't going to cut it. Notre Dame and Virginia Tech is good for them though.

There is direct evidence of ooc schedules similar or worse compared to Wisconsin’s “cutting it”. You’re trying to apply absolutes to an arbitrary system.

 

[TheBigUglies]

Got excited when I saw this but its not until like 2030. I may be dead by then!!

 

[78SweetRevenge]

There is direct evidence of ooc schedules similar or worse to Wisconsin’s “cutting it”. You’re trying to apply absolutes to an arbitrary system.

Who? Washington and Bama?
Bama gets left out last year if Wisconsin beats Ohio State
I think the committee learned a lesson with Washington but we shall see moving forward

 

[Woodpecker]

If Pitt is Wisconsin's top game that isn't good enough...I'll give them the same grief I'm giving us.
For the record, Wisconsin's non-conference slate needs to be better as well....BYU, USF, Washington State, Pitt isn't going to cut it. Notre Dame and Virginia Tech is good for them though.

With 9 conference games, I assume that all Big Ten teams need to do the same things to maximize income: one home-and-home vs an OOC opponent (or double "neutral" like the ND-Wisconsin series) and two OOC games against teams that will accept games only at the Big Ten team's stadium. I therefore assume that "Pitt is Wisconsin's top game" in those years. Wisconsin would have to give up a home game if they have another home-and-home opponent in those years - economically harmful.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

With 9 conference games, I assume that all Big Ten teams need to do the same things to maximize income: one home-and-home vs an OOC opponent (or double "neutral" like the ND-Wisconsin series) and two OOC games against teams that will accept games only at the Big Ten team's stadium. I therefore assume that "Pitt is Wisconsin's top game" in those years. Wisconsin would have to give up a home game if they have another home-and-home opponent in those years - economically harmful.

Tend to agree but only Pitt is scheduled so far so we shall see

 

[fastlax16]

Who? Washington and Bama?
Bama gets left out last year if Wisconsin beats Ohio State
I think the committee learned a lesson with Washington but we shall see moving forward

What was Wisconsin’s ooc last year?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

What was Wisconsin’s ooc last year?

Utah State, FAU & BYU which is why, despite being undefeated, they were behind 3 teams with at least one loss including a 2 loss Auburn team heading into championship week despite being in arguably the top conference. If anything you're making my point for me.

 

[fastlax16]

Utah State, FAU & BYU which is why, despite being undefeated, they were behind 3 teams with at least one loss including a 2 loss Auburn team heading into championship week despite being in arguably the top conference. If anything you're making my point for me.

They were behind because of their overall sos, not their ooc. The big ten west and weak crossover games cost them. If they had wins against MSU/OSU/PSU during the regular season they aren't behind anyone. Conversely, if OSU beats Ohio U instead of losing to Oklahoma in week 2 last season they are in over bama. If PSU beats tulane instead of losing to pitt in 2016 they're in over Washington.

 

[djr4rebs]

Utah State, FAU & BYU which is why, despite being undefeated, they were behind 3 teams with at least one loss including a 2 loss Auburn team heading into championship week despite being in arguably the top conference. If anything you're making my point for me.

Wisconsin has yet to prove they can be a top 4 team. Yes, the OOC slate stunk, but they avoided OSU, MSU, and PSU inside the conference. They have dropped two CCGs in a row, both of which are key moments to prove that they belong.

This year, they are starting out highly rated. Minimally, if things play out like last year and they are undefeated and the rest have 1 loss, they should be sitting at #1 for the CCG.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

They were behind because of their overall sos, not their ooc. The big ten west and weak crossover games cost them. If they had wins against MSU/OSU/PSU during the regular season they aren't behind anyone. Conversely, if OSU beats Ohio U instead of losing to Oklahoma in week 2 last season they are in over bama. If PSU beats tulane instead of losing to pitt in 2016 they're in over Washington.

They absolutely are not in over Bama in that scenario. If Penn State beats a bad Pitt team they were in but we should have been in over Washington anyway. At least you didn't say Ohio State for that example

 

[fastlax16]

They absolutely are not in over Bama in that scenario. If Penn State beats a bad Pitt team they were in but we should have been in over Washington anyway. At least you didn't say Ohio State for that example

I didn’t say in, I said they’re ranked higher going into the championship game. I don’t think the committee will take ccg losers unless there really is no other viable option or it’s alabama.

Why should psu have been in over Washington anyway?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

I didn’t say in, I said they’re ranked higher going into the championship game. I don’t think the committee will take ccg losers unless there really is no other viable option or it’s alabama.

Why should psu have been in over Washington anyway?

Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State was their non-conference slate...all at home
A 9-3 Stanford who lacked a quality win was their best victory
The lost a game in November by 13

 

[fastlax16]

Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State was their non-conference slate...all at home
A 9-3 Stanford who lacked a quality win was their best victory
The lost a game in November by 13

So their overall weak schedule in and out of conference hurt them? Wait it didn’t. The committee has shown it weighs the number in the loss column above all else at the end of the day. Would penn state have been in over them if instead of pitt they’d beaten Tulane? Yes or no.

 

[djr4rebs]

They absolutely are not in over Bama in that scenario.

1-loss OSU, likely ranked 5th going into a CCG against #4 Wisconsin doesn't get in over Alabama, also 1-loss but not even in their CCG? All considering the original poster saying "they beat Ohio U vs losing to Oklahoma" and the eventual win over Wisconsin.

Explain that.

 

[fastlax16]

1-loss OSU, likely ranked 5th going into a CCG against #4 Wisconsin doesn't get in over Alabama, also 1-loss but not even in their CCG? All considering the original poster saying "they beat Ohio U vs losing to Oklahoma" and the eventual win over Wisconsin.

Explain that.

He can’t because Ohio state would have been in.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

So their overall weak schedule in and out of conference hurt them? Wait it didn’t. The committee has shown it weighs the number in the loss column above all else at the end of the day. Would penn state have been in over them if instead of pitt they’d beaten Tulane? Yes or no.

Primarily their out of conference schedule...throw a real game in there and they'd have been fine
Us playing a weaker schedule wouldn't have helped--getting crushed by Michigan would have been enough for them to avoid putting in two teams from the same conference.
And to answer your question--no

 

[78SweetRevenge]

1-loss OSU, likely ranked 5th going into a CCG against #4 Wisconsin doesn't get in over Alabama, also 1-loss but not even in their CCG? All considering the original poster saying "they beat Ohio U vs losing to Oklahoma" and the eventual win over Wisconsin.

Explain that.

Who says a 1 loss Ohio State is ahead of Alabama heading into the championship game?

Ohio State still has a bad loss to Iowa. Alabama and Georgia would have been ahead of them. What is better an Ohio State 12-1 team with a 31 point loss at an unranked Iowa or an 11-1 Alabama with a loss to a top 10 Auburn team on the road? My money is on Bama. You can't lose to Iowa by that score and think you'll get in over Alabama. Now, if they beat Oklahoma they'd have gotten in

 

[djr4rebs]

Who says a 1 loss Ohio State is ahead of Alabama heading into the championship game?

Ohio State still has a bad loss to Iowa. Alabama and Georgia would have been ahead of them. What is better an Ohio State 12-1 team with a 31 point loss at an unranked Iowa or an 11-1 Alabama with a loss to a top 10 Auburn team on the road? My money is on Bama. You can't lose to Iowa by that score and think you'll get in over Alabama. Now, if they beat Oklahoma they'd have gotten in

Essentially, you are saying that a CCG is worthless? Because Bama lost to the only very good team they played, yet OSU would have wins over Wisky, PSU, and MSU and would be completely out because they lost worse than Bama did?

Anything can happen, and we are all entitled to our out there opinions (I'm skeptical that Wisconsin gets in over Bama even undefeated, but that has done been discussed), but I think OSU gets the benefit of the doubt with 3 good wins and a conference title over Bama (remember, scenario said OSU did not play OU).

 

[fastlax16]

Who says a 1 loss Ohio State is ahead of Alabama heading into the championship game?

Ohio State still has a bad loss to Iowa. Alabama and Georgia would have been ahead of them. What is better an Ohio State 12-1 team with a 31 point loss at an unranked Iowa or an 11-1 Alabama with a loss to a top 10 Auburn team on the road? My money is on Bama. You can't lose to Iowa by that score and think you'll get in over Alabama. Now, if they beat Oklahoma they'd have gotten in

So who was Alabama’s signature win, 4 loss LSU or 4 loss miss state?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Essentially, you are saying that a CCG is worthless? Because Bama lost to the only very good team they played, yet OSU would have wins over Wisky, PSU, and MSU and would be completely out because they lost worse than Bama did?

Anything can happen, and we are all entitled to our out there opinions (I'm skeptical that Wisconsin gets in over Bama even undefeated, but that has done been discussed), but I think OSU gets the benefit of the doubt with 3 good wins and a conference title over Bama (remember, scenario said OSU did not play OU).

I'm saying in certain circumstances it's worthless
Bama is considered the best team on the planet every year before the year begins...in order for a team to get in over them there has to be no doubt they're better. Losing to Iowa by 31 leaves doubt. Now if Ohio State beat Oklahoma at home they would have been in as OU would have been out
They wouldn't leave out an undefeated Wisconsin team because that would end the four team playoff...if for no other reason that gets them in