And we were good enough to put away many games in the past but we did not. Yes, we need better skill player in offense now. We had them in past season and still couldn’t pull it off. We have had elite defenses but they failed at important times. Something needs to change to take the next step there.
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It is my understanding that those monies are split by every team in the BIG. The only thing that I understand is paid directly to the university relating to the playoffs is the parking / vendor sales of the home playoff game and the stipend for travel expenses, which is not insignificant, but is also not $36 million.
Link from Business of College Football below:
College Football Playoff Payouts 2024-2025
How much does a team get for making the College Football Playoff in 2024-2025?
With the new 12-team playoff comes a new revenue distribution model. For 2024-2025, here’s how much each team will make in the College Football Playoff:- $4 million for each of the 12 teams that makes the College Football Playoff
- $4 million for each of the 8 teams that makes the College Football Playoff Quarterfinals
- $6 million for each of the 4 teams that makes the College Football Playoff Semifinals
- $6 million for each of the 2 teams that makes the College Football Playoff National Championship Game
Additionally, each conference receives $300,000 for each of its schools whose football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a postseason football game. Each independent institution also receives $300,000 if its football team meets the same standard.
How the College Football Playoff’s 5+7 Model Works for 12-Team Playoff
- The five highest-ranked conference champions will receive automatic bids. There will be seven at-large bids for the next seven highest-ranked teams.
- The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded as the top four teams, even if there are at-large ranked ahead of some of those conference champions. Those top four will receive a first-round bye.
- Beyond the top four, teams will be seeded according to ranking.
- The higher seed in the first-round matchups will host, which can be at their home stadium or another location of their choosing.
- Quarterfinals and semifinals will be hosted by the New Year’s Six bowls (Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, Peach Bowl, Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl).
- The National Championship will remain at a neutral site selected by the College Football Playoff.
Under the new College Football Playoff (CFP) arrangement, Big Ten and SEC members are set to each receive about $21 million annually, while ACC programs get approximately $13 million and Big 12 members $12 million1. Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school’s football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a postseason football game2. With the new system, the Big Ten has hauled in a total of $46 million, to the SEC’s $26 million3.
I could not locate any specific information regarding the distribution of revenues earned by B1G schools who participated in the tournament with non participants.
The bottom line is that the playoff has created a significant new revenue stream generated by the men's football team for the athletic department.
That is my understanding as well. PSU did get a little extra money by being in the playoff and advancing, but virtually all of the "playoff money" is shared equally by all schools in the Big Ten. This is actually a big difference between the Big Ten and other conferences. IIRC both the Big 12 and SEC have some increased payouts for participants compared to teams not in the playoff and the ACC changed their rules a few years ago (to appease FSU) given playoff participants a much larger share of the distributions.
The Big Ten has remained a conference that shares evenly (sucks for PSU this season but has benefited the school in past years when they weren't in the playoff and in regards to basketball where they are a net recipient from the conference pot).
If you google "do big ten schools split cfp playoff money" you will find several articles that say the B1G has an agreement to split all postseason payouts among all schools. They say we'll be splitting about $46M, which gives each school about $2.7M (I'm not sure if the $46M is just playoff money or if it includes bowl payouts for "lesser" bowl games as well, but those lesser bowl game payouts would also be split).
Agreed. I just don't think Jim Knowles is the answer at that price. That OSU team probably still wins the championship with my grandmother as DC.
Here is what I was able to additionally find:
For the 2024-25 postseason, the calculation is fairly simple:
— Each conference receives $4 million for every playoff team and for every quarterfinalist.
— Each conference receives $6 million for every semifinalist and for any national championship game participant.
— Each conference receives $3 million for expenses per team per round.
(Additionally, there are base payments for each school of roughly $6 million, plus payments tied to contracts with the Orange, Rose and Sugar Bowls and a $300,000 per-school payment if certain academic standards are met. The focus here is revenue connected to CFP bids and success.)
So, let’s tally the Power Four conference earnings based on participation, quarterfinalists and semifinalists.
The ACC had two teams in the field (Clemson and SMU) but no quarterfinalists: $8 million.
The Big 12 had one team in the field (Arizona State) and one quarterfinalist: $8 million
The Big Ten had four teams in the field (Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State and Indiana), three quarterfinalists and two semifinalists: $40 million
The SEC had three teams in the field (Georgia, Texas and Tennessee), three quarterfinalists and two semifinalists: $26 million.
(Note: The revenue distribution model within each conference could vary. Most are expected to divide the cash equally among the full membership. But the ACC has implemented a “success initiative” for postseason competition.)
A few more housekeeping matters on CFP revenue:
— Notre Dame has earned $14 million thus far but, as an Independent, doesn’t have to share. The Mountain West received $8 million for Boise State’s participation as a quarterfinalist.
— All ticket revenue (for the opening round matchups and the neutral-site games) goes to the CFP, which then distributes the cash across all conferences.
— The home teams keep the gate receipts (e.g., parking, merchandise, concessions, etc.).
— The CFP allocates $3 million in expenses per participant in each round, including the host schools in the opening round. (The money is used to cover game operations.)
What history are you talking about? We are typically playing from behind against Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, etc. And don't say Notre Dame, because no Coach keeps Cam Miller from falling on his heiney.
So based on the model that stipulates revenue sharing for the B1G:
Each team in the B1G earns $21mm for conference participation in the CFP.
B1G teams earned $46mm for participating in various levels of the playoff. Distributed equally: $2.55mm/team.
All ticket revenue (for the opening round matchups and the neutral-site games) goes to the CFP, which then distributes the cash across all conferences. TBD?
The home teams keep the gate receipts (e.g., parking, merchandise, concessions, etc.). ???
The CFP allocates $3 million in expenses per participant in each round, including the host schools in the opening round. (The money is used to cover game operations.) 3 rounds x $3mm/round: $9mm
In summary:
Known revenues paid to PSU for CFP participation: $21mm + $2.55mm + $9mm = $32.55mm
To be determined/disclosed revenues: parking, merchandise, concessions, etc from Beaver Stadium + All ticket revenue (for the opening round matchups and the neutral-site games) goes to the CFP, which then distributes the cash across all conferences. ???
Realizing that operational expenses still need to be deducted from the total, this is a significant revenue windfall courtesy of the men's football team.....
Each team in the B1G earns $21mm for conference participation in the CFP.
B1G teams earned $46mm for participating in various levels of the playoff. Distributed equally: $2.55mm/team.
All ticket revenue (for the opening round matchups and the neutral-site games) goes to the CFP, which then distributes the cash across all conferences. TBD?
The home teams keep the gate receipts (e.g., parking, merchandise, concessions, etc.). ???
The CFP allocates $3 million in expenses per participant in each round, including the host schools in the opening round. (The money is used to cover game operations.) 3 rounds x $3mm/round: $9mm
In summary:
Known revenues paid to PSU for CFP participation: $21mm + $2.55mm + $9mm = $32.55mm
To be determined/disclosed revenues: parking, merchandise, concessions, etc from Beaver Stadium + All ticket revenue (for the opening round matchups and the neutral-site games) goes to the CFP, which then distributes the cash across all conferences. ???
Realizing that operational expenses still need to be deducted from the total, this is a significant revenue windfall courtesy of the men's football team.....
I think in college football, Knowles is considered the best current defensive coordinator. When Pry left, Knowles was CJF's #1 target but timing/money was off at the time and he ended up at OSU. We obviously got a nice second option in Manny.
I think Kraft/CJF are willing to spend that type of money right now because the window is open. I mean, from a fan perspective, I think I recognize that next season could be our best chance at a natty in a long time. You can't afford to miss on this hire, which is why I think they're willing to spend so much on someone at this point is a pretty known commodity.
Known commodity + sense of urgency = $$$$$$$
I think Kraft/CJF are willing to spend that type of money right now because the window is open. I mean, from a fan perspective, I think I recognize that next season could be our best chance at a natty in a long time. You can't afford to miss on this hire, which is why I think they're willing to spend so much on someone at this point is a pretty known commodity.
Known commodity + sense of urgency = $$$$$$$
As to who they hire, I'd just like them to hire somebody that stays for more than a year or two.
Just not the way it is anymore. You have to pay coordinators elite salaries which I'm glad we are now will to do. That said many of these guys want to be head coaches.
The only thing we really lacked against those Domers were WO's who could catch a ball and not run lazy routes. Dew was Drew as Drew is Drew in every big game and that was actually good enough if he had a supporting cast at WO. Glad they're gone won't miss them, but defenses might.
I seems pretty much everyone is off the known list except Poindexter. Giving the job to Poindexter wouldn't be terrible maybe just a bit of an unknown which I tend to be uncomfortable with. Point, the staff probably wouldn't be uncomfortable.
At this point, isn't it safe to say they've botched this search? Maybe we get lucky and we find someone last minute but his hasn't been impressive
Maybe a coach doesn't play Cam Miller. Or maybe Cam Miller gets coached on technique that prevents him from losing his balance so easily.
Everything is coaching once a player shows up on campus. If a player can't be coached then he was the wrong selection during the recruiting process.
I have to assume they’re being extremely careful in the search, considering how pivotal 2025 is going to be.
Really was hoping CJF could convince Lynn but I guess him and his family like the west coast and USC gave him a raise to stay.
What's your ?? about?
We failed to get our top target in Lynn
We failed to get Knowles
We MAYBE failed to get Golden (not buying that)
We've butchered this badly
The top target is and was always Knowles. There is no evidence that Lynn was ever even offered, just interviewed. Sounds like Franklin has been in contact with Knowles since he got wind Allen was sniffing Clemson’s ass, waiting for after the CFP championship.
I'm sorry--we absolutely interviewed and offered Lynn which he leveraged into a better contract with USC
Knowles was his plan B
I don't think Golden was actually in play despite rumors--I give CJF way too much credit for that.
Knowles was not plan B
He’s been after Knowles since Pry left. Now he may have been willing to take Lynn and be happy. But he’s always wanted Knowles
I know for fact that he was the guy he wanted even over Manny
That could be but he's also probably well aware of Knowles situation and went after Lynn heavily because he knew Knowles was a long shot.
How tf can u say we botched it? Are you in these meetings?
When you cancel public meetings you're not getting the job done
Are you trying to say this is going well?
Yes. Agree with that. Long shot. But Knowles has always been his #1
And I’m no insider at all. But I actually know this situation via a relationship
If something is a long shot, how can it be botched?
As for Lynn, he used his name being associated with this opening to get a raise. I think Franklin, PSU, and Lions’ fans are a little bit familiar with this negotiating tactic by a coach. Wasted some time and money, guess if you want to describe that as botching, whatever floats your boat.
When you're chasing people you have to get them. Period. If you don't you're wasting time and resources as you correctly stated. That can't happen. Franklin got his best players to return and spent a lot of NIL resource doing so...now he can't get any of his top choices to come here. Lynn stayed on a sinking ship while Knowles is apparently (or has) going to an OU team with another coach that's firmly on the hot seat. Golden, if in play, went to Cincy and another coach on the hot seat.
Things can work out just fine but there's too many swings and misses. The objective isn't to miss out on the guys you want.
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