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I find it hard to believe OKST would go outside the family for a first-time college coach.

Smith's coaching tree includes Popolizio (NC State), Scott (UNC), Branch (Wyoming), Pendleton (Oregon State), Ward (Army), Lanham (Duke), Cody (Presbyterian), and Moore (recently American).

Plus they have Esposito and Perry already on staff, and Blake (former Stanford) only an hour away.
I didn't necessarily think DT to Oklahoma State. It was just a general question.
I actually thought of Perry being the favorite.
If Pitt ever deçides to make another change do they go after Taylor if he's done competing.???
 
I find it hard to believe OKST would go outside the family for a first-time college coach.

Smith's coaching tree includes Popolizio (NC State), Scott (UNC), Branch (Wyoming), Pendleton (Oregon State), Ward (Army), Lanham (Duke), Cody (Presbyterian), and Moore (recently American).

Plus they have Esposito and Perry already on staff, and Blake (former Stanford) only an hour away.
And Guerrero I’m sure would love to come back.
 
I think Penn State takes him regardless, but if he’s at 157 the path to the lineup is much clearer. Which isn’t to say he couldn’t beat Van Ness or whoever ends up at 149, there are a lot of moving parts, but it’s much easier to sell a Shapiro-Haines-Facundo-Barr 157-184 lineup than it is to muddy things up if he’s at the same weight as Van Ness. This is just my read on things from the people I’ve spoken with, by the way.
Have mercy if that becomes reality
 
This is also something to consider. If Brooks doesn’t take a fifth year (which I think is possible, maybe even likely), Carter going 184 his final season wouldn’t be at all surprising.
 
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If Brooks is a three time national champion, I would be shocked if he didn’t use his last year of eligibility. The Snyder schedule has made these decisions so much easier. Brooks could literally wrestle a month or two.
 
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This is also something to consider. If Brooks doesn’t take a fifth year (which I think is possible, maybe even likely), Carter going 184 his final season wouldn’t be at all surprising.
I always thought Brooks (if he doesn't Olympic Redshirt) will go 197 for 2023-2024 since he probably wants to be around that to go 189 effectively.
 
This is also something to consider. If Brooks doesn’t take a fifth year (which I think is possible, maybe even likely), Carter going 184 his final season wouldn’t be at all surprising.
If Brooks has a shot at becoming a 4x and the first 4x at psu and coached by cael, why would he leave early?
 
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If Brooks has a shot at becoming a 4x and the first 4x at psu and coached by cael, why would he leave early?
Brooks goal has always been Olympic Gold. Possible he prefers to focus on freestyle for 2024. Obviously the kid is all about the team and I can definitely see him wrestling folk if need be but it'd be on a Snyder like schedule.
 
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Brooks goal has always been Olympic Gold. Possible he prefers to focus on freestyle for 2024. Obviously the kid is all about the team and I can definitely see him wrestling folk if need be but it'd be on a Snyder like schedule.
We need a nodding head emoji reaction score thingamajig
 
If Brooks has a shot at becoming a 4x and the first 4x at psu and coached by cael, why would he leave early?
Because as we’ve seen, five years of college wrestling takes a toll on the body. Plus a lot of people don’t want to deal with the extra year of school. Add in the fact that he wants to go to Paris in 2024. Who knows, maybe AB wants that and he comes back. Maybe he does so on the Snyder plan or maybe he goes 197 (he’d be very undersized). But it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him not come back.
 
Brooks goal has always been Olympic Gold. Possible he prefers to focus on freestyle for 2024. Obviously the kid is all about the team and I can definitely see him wrestling folk if need be but it'd be on a Snyder like schedule.

Because as we’ve seen, five years of college wrestling takes a toll on the body. Plus a lot of people don’t want to deal with the extra year of school. Add in the fact that he wants to go to Paris in 2024. Who knows, maybe AB wants that and he comes back. Maybe he does so on the Snyder plan or maybe he goes 197 (he’d be very undersized). But it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him not come back.

I'll go out on a limb and predict Aaron Brooks will be eligible for a 2024 Olympic Shirt if he wants one.

If he wants that path, then he could return in 2025 for the 4th.

Again, an option, not a must-do.
 
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Prefer? Probably Gibson.

Likely to get? Probably Kasak.

Better college career? I have no idea. There's a school of thought that Gibson will physically peak earlier. I'd like to see him this offseason before passing any judgment ... and Cael thought enough of his potential to go after him hard.

Will say this about Gibson: the way he lost to Ungar was shocking to me. Not the fast pin (and it was a quickie), but how he got taken to his back. For someone with his career to date, that was inconceivable. Hopefully that was an aberration (unless he goes elsewhere).
If you get Gibson , you get the Bassetts though, correct?
 
If you get Gibson , you get the Bassetts though, correct?
Who knows. It's looking like if you get one Gibson, you don't get the other (though nothing is announced or signed yet).

At the risk of committing a heresy: Anthony Knox knocked some shine off Bassett. He's still a very good prospect, and I'd take him with no reservations. I'm just not as convinced that he'll live up to the hype.

Then again, if Spencer Lee and Kobe Bryant had a kid, he couldn't live up to Bassett hype.
 
I'll go out on a limb and predict Aaron Brooks will be eligible for a 2024 Olympic Shirt if he wants one.

If he wants that path, then he could return in 2025 for the 4th.

Again, an option, not a must-do.
Next year is Aaron's 5th year out of HS, that's why Clay might speculate he doesn't want to come back. We can't forget he gap yeared 18-19 so he was kind of redshirted. 23-24 is the Olympic year and focusing on free might be in his best interest (that's something Cael will talk to him about). As we've seen from folk, injuries can happen pretty easily. It would be his 6th year out of HS. I can't see him redshirting in that year and coming back for a 7th year in 24-25 even if he is 3/3 for titles. Either he wrestle 23-24 for the team (on a limited schedule) or he's done in 23. The reality is, beating up on 18 year olds as a 25 year old probably doesn't appeal much to Aaron like it does to some (not going to name names ....) at that point.

4 titles is cool and all but it honestly doesn't mean as much in the grand scheme of things depending on your goals. For someone like Spencer Lee, 4 titles was a specific goal of his coming in (I think he actually said before that he might not have returned if he lost when he was ACL-less in 2021 since 4 is out of reach)
 
Next year is Aaron's 5th year out of HS, that's why Clay might speculate he doesn't want to come back. We can't forget he gap yeared 18-19 so he was kind of redshirted. 23-24 is the Olympic year and focusing on free might be in his best interest (that's something Cael will talk to him about). As we've seen from folk, injuries can happen pretty easily. It would be his 6th year out of HS. I can't see him redshirting in that year and coming back for a 7th year in 24-25 even if he is 3/3 for titles. Either he wrestle 23-24 for the team (on a limited schedule) or he's done in 23. The reality is, beating up on 18 year olds as a 25 year old probably doesn't appeal much to Aaron like it does to some (not going to name names ....) at that point.

4 titles is cool and all but it honestly doesn't mean as much in the grand scheme of things depending on your goals. For someone like Spencer Lee, 4 titles was a specific goal of his coming in (I think he actually said before I think that he might not have returned if he lost when he was ACL-less in 2021 since 4 is out of reach)
Understood, but none of us know his perspective on that. (Maybe not even his dad at this stage.) We can only identify options, and try to not substitute our own judgment for his.
 
Next year is Aaron's 5th year out of HS, that's why Clay might speculate he doesn't want to come back. We can't forget he gap yeared 18-19 so he was kind of redshirted. 23-24 is the Olympic year and focusing on free might be in his best interest (that's something Cael will talk to him about). As we've seen from folk, injuries can happen pretty easily. It would be his 6th year out of HS. I can't see him redshirting in that year and coming back for a 7th year in 24-25 even if he is 3/3 for titles. Either he wrestle 23-24 for the team (on a limited schedule) or he's done in 23. The reality is, beating up on 18 year olds as a 25 year old probably doesn't appeal much to Aaron like it does to some (not going to name names ....) at that point.

4 titles is cool and all but it honestly doesn't mean as much in the grand scheme of things depending on your goals. For someone like Spencer Lee, 4 titles was a specific goal of his coming in (I think he actually said before that he might not have returned if he lost when he was ACL-less in 2021 since 4 is out of reach)
Folkstyle is garbage, yet I’ve pretty much allowed my coaches to ruin my international freestyle career by ignoring injury by over pursuing goals in a style I think is essentially trash and now I’ll come back to get my 4th title in this garbage style. Imagine if he liked it how good he’d be, u funny Spencer
 
Of those 6 what do they have coming in around his weight? I know tOSU has Kilkeary coming in. Anyone know about Michigan? Not meaning to sound dismissive about his Ivy options but I doubt they have many incoming recruits he would need to worry about. At PSU I am assuming that Davis and McGowan would be at 125 and 133 in some order. McGowan is so lanky but I have no idea what he actually weighs. I really really hope he ends up at PSU. That length plus his skill and the coaching of Penn State equals another f’ing hammer!
 
Brooks has a shot at becoming a 3x, then Oly Gold w/ an Oly RS, then 4x, in that order
Or: he has a shot at becoming a 3x, then 4x with no shirt, then Olympic Gold in that order.

I personally would take the path you identified, also I'm not nearly talented enough to face that decision.
 
Of those 6 what do they have coming in around his weight? I know tOSU has Kilkeary coming in. Anyone know about Michigan? Not meaning to sound dismissive about his Ivy options but I doubt they have many incoming recruits he would need to worry about. At PSU I am assuming that Davis and McGowan would be at 125 and 133 in some order. McGowan is so lanky but I have no idea what he actually weighs. I really really hope he ends up at PSU. That length plus his skill and the coaching of Penn State equals another f’ing hammer!
TOsu also has the lightweight Williams twins coming in as well, along with Mendez and Bouzskis(aware he’s bigger but still) n possibly Gibson, not sure how the Tan Man fits these guys. Although it a great issue to have
 
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Of those 6 what do they have coming in around his weight? I know tOSU has Kilkeary coming in. Anyone know about Michigan? Not meaning to sound dismissive about his Ivy options but I doubt they have many incoming recruits he would need to worry about. At PSU I am assuming that Davis and McGowan would be at 125 and 133 in some order. McGowan is so lanky but I have no idea what he actually weighs. I really really hope he ends up at PSU. That length plus his skill and the coaching of Penn State equals another f’ing hammer!
Michigan has no 125s incoming. McHenry has 3 years left -- done in 2025.

Ohio State has no other names I recognize, unless Gonzales (shirting FR) can make it back down to 125.

Penn's starter Miller has 3 yrs left (2025).

McGowan competed at 120 this year but I don't know what he weighed. He was at 106 and 113 the past 2 years, so it's a normal progression for a college 125 (at least initially). His Track profile shows no offseason events that might help clarify his weight.
 
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TOsu also has the lightweight Williams twins coming in as well, along with Mendez and Bouzskis(aware he’s bigger but still) n possibly Gibson, not sure how the Tan Man fits these guys. Although it a great issue to have
Good catch, I missed that ... probably because I'm guessing the twins aren't 125/133. (And I'm probably wrong about that.)

In any case, I don't think either of them stands in the way of McGowan. But factually correct, they are in Tan Tom's incoming bucket.
 
Who knows. It's looking like if you get one Gibson, you don't get the other (though nothing is announced or signed yet).

At the risk of committing a heresy: Anthony Knox knocked some shine off Bassett. He's still a very good prospect, and I'd take him with no reservations. I'm just not as convinced that he'll live up to the hype.

Then again, if Spencer Lee and Kobe Bryant had a kid, he couldn't live up to Bassett hype.
I agree this kid won a world title and then wrestles MS. Gimme a break.
Knox dropped down and kicked his butt. I just looked Bassett had an easy side at Super 32 when he TF’d those kids. R16 Seidel, quarters Dejesus, Mendoza in semis. I am like you el Jefe not sold on him at all. Hopefully getting time in the NLWC and M2 they don’t teach him all the secrets.
 
We need McGowan. He is a beast and fits the PsU mold. He is a hybrid and potential through the roof.
Tan Tommy can have the Williams boy’s. They seem like rough characters but definitely can scrap
 
I agree this kid won a world title and then wrestles MS. Gimme a break.
Knox dropped down and kicked his butt. I just looked Bassett had an easy side at Super 32 when he TF’d those kids. R16 Seidel, quarters Dejesus, Mendoza in semis. I am like you el Jefe not sold on him at all. Hopefully getting time in the NLWC and M2 they don’t teach him all the secrets.
Bad take. The kids you listed that he beat are ALL high level kids. Using his wins against very good competition as a reason why you aren’t sold on him seems a bit crazy. I think Bassetts talent is undeniable. My only concern is burnout. Wrestling is really really hard and waking up at 4:30am to do your first practice of the day as a middle schooler definitely makes me wonder if he will continue loving the sport like he does now. I sure hope that he does because he is a real talent and seems like a great kid as well
 
Bad take. The kids you listed that he beat are ALL high level kids. Using his wins against very good competition as a reason why you aren’t sold on him seems a bit crazy. I think Bassetts talent is undeniable. My only concern is burnout. Wrestling is really really hard and waking up at 4:30am to do your first practice of the day as a middle schooler definitely makes me wonder if he will continue loving the sport like he does now. I sure hope that he does because he is a real talent and seems like a great kid as well
I agree with this as well. Kid is definitely working too hard at a young age. He is seasoned and around all this high level training. That is what I was trying to say
 
Good catch, I missed that ... probably because I'm guessing the twins aren't 125/133. (And I'm probably wrong about that.)

In any case, I don't think either of them stands in the way of McGowan. But factually correct, they are in Tan Tom's incoming bucket.
The Williams boys are high school class of 2024. From 113 and 120 current weight classes to?
 
I agree this kid won a world title and then wrestles MS. Gimme a break.
Knox dropped down and kicked his butt. I just looked Bassett had an easy side at Super 32 when he TF’d those kids. R16 Seidel, quarters Dejesus, Mendoza in semis. I am like you el Jefe not sold on him at all. Hopefully getting time in the NLWC and M2 they don’t teach him all the secrets.
This is much, much farther than I said or am willing to go.
 
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Bad take. The kids you listed that he beat are ALL high level kids. Using his wins against very good competition as a reason why you aren’t sold on him seems a bit crazy. I think Bassetts talent is undeniable. My only concern is burnout. Wrestling is really really hard and waking up at 4:30am to do your first practice of the day as a middle schooler definitely makes me wonder if he will continue loving the sport like he does now. I sure hope that he does because he is a real talent and seems like a great kid as well
I'd also see some risk when everybody's at the same physical development stage. Will he remain stronger and comparably quick in a few years? What frame will he have? Etc.

That said, he is so good. It's hard to imagine him getting lapped by the field, just maybe a few catching up.
 
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