PSU vs tOSU

[ev_flores0331]

Rutgers is in the books, Saturday is the dual everyone has been waiting for, let's get some predictions (I'm assuming Nolf isn't wrestling until PSU says otherwise)

125: tOSU
133: tOSU
141: PSU
149: PSU
157: tOSU
165: PSU
174: PSU
184: tOSU
197: tOSU
Heavy: tOSU

I think Martin beats Nickal but you guys have too many guys that bonus.

 

[Ranger Dan]

I get why someone could argue that Martin beats Bo, but I have to believe that with the loss of Nolf, all of the Penn State wrestlers will be giving their 110% to compete and make up for Nolf's loss. They will rally, and perform better than if there were no significant injury to a key wrestler. I think that Bo beats Martin (with or without the Nolf injury) and that Shakur Rasheed even has a (long) shot at upsetting at 197. Maybe each team wins 5 matches and it will come down to who gets more bonus points. I'd say that tOSU gets bonus at 125, 133, and HWT, while Penn State gets bonus at 149, 165, and maybe 141. It will certainly be interesting to see how it ends up, as there are a few matches that could go either way as far as who wins, and also some where bonus may or may not come into play.

 

[PSUisawesome]

I get why someone could argue that Martin beats Bo, but I have to believe that with the loss of Nolf, all of the Penn State wrestlers will be giving their 110% to compete and make up for Nolf's loss. They will rally, and perform better than if there were no significant injury to a key wrestler. I think that Bo beats Martin (with or without the Nolf injury) and that Shakur Rasheed even has a (long) shot at upsetting at 197. Maybe each team wins 5 matches and it will come down to who gets more bonus points. I'd say that tOSU gets bonus at 125, 133, and HWT, while Penn State gets bonus at 149, 165, and maybe 141. It will certainly be interesting to see how it ends up, as there are a few matches that could go either way as far as who wins, and also some where bonus may or may not come into play.

My thoughts as well except I think we have a better chance at 197 than they do at 184. Still rather be PSU

 

[nerfstate]

I get why someone could argue that Martin beats Bo, but I have to believe that with the loss of Nolf, all of the Penn State wrestlers will be giving their 110% to compete and make up for Nolf's loss. They will rally, and perform better than if there were no significant injury to a key wrestler. I think that Bo beats Martin (with or without the Nolf injury) and that Shakur Rasheed even has a (long) shot at upsetting at 197. Maybe each team wins 5 matches and it will come down to who gets more bonus points. I'd say that tOSU gets bonus at 125, 133, and HWT, while Penn State gets bonus at 149, 165, and maybe 141. It will certainly be interesting to see how it ends up, as there are a few matches that could go either way as far as who wins, and also some where bonus may or may not come into play.

Has Pletcher scored bonus points this year?

 

[ClarkstonMark]

Has Pletcher scored bonus points this year?

Highly doubtful Pletcher bonuses Keener; not gonna happen

 

[tomsc]

I believe Pletcher has had 1 fall and 2 MD's.

 

[PSUcup1]

Has Pletcher scored bonus points this year?

he is 20-0
has 2 majors and 1 fall

 

[ev_flores0331]

Here's how I see it:

125: Tomasello by tech, 5-0
133: Pletcher by dec, 8-0
141: Lee by dec, 8-3
149: Retherford by fall, 8-9
157: Jordan by dec, 11-9
165: Joseph by tech, 11-14
174: Hall by dec, 11-17
184: Nickal by dec, 11-20
197: Moore by dec, 14-20
Hywt: Snyder by dec, 17-20

Unless Jordan or Martin pull the upset, I can't see you guys losing. Nolf is admittedly your best wrestler but those of you fretting over the national title are being drama queens. Ohio State may win the Big Ten title but because there are more rounds at NCAA's the odds increase they will underperform while PSU has a history of outperforming their seeds under your current coach.

 

[dsites52]

Here's how I see it:

125: Tomasello by tech, 5-0
133: Pletcher by dec, 8-0
141: Lee by dec, 8-3
149: Retherford by fall, 8-9
157: Jordan by dec, 11-9
165: Joseph by tech, 11-14
174: Hall by dec, 11-17
184: Nickal by dec, 11-20
197: Moore by dec, 14-20
Hywt: Snyder by dec, 17-20

Unless Jordan or Martin pull the upset, I can't see you guys losing. Nolf is admittedly your best wrestler but those of you fretting over the national title are being drama queens. Ohio State may win the Big Ten title but because there are more rounds at NCAA's the odds increase they will underperform while PSU has a history of outperforming their seeds under your current coach.

I like this guy!

 

[nerfstate]

I'd be pleasantly surprised if Cenzo techs Campbell. A major is possible. I do like the way you think.

 

[YoungGunsWC]

Snyder is not dec Nevills and Joseph isn’t going to tech Campbell. I would say he has a better chance of pinning Campbell than teching him. If Nolf does not go, Jordan will get more than a dec.

 

[dsites52]

Snyder is not dec Nevills and Joseph isn’t going to tech Campbell. I would say he has a better chance of pinning Campbell than teching him. If Nolf does not go, Jordan will get more than a dec.

Jetlag has to catch up with Snyder some time.

 

[El-Jefe]

I'd put Cenzo, Mickey, and Snyder all at MD but otherwise this seems about right. That would mean a tie that (IIRC the rules) PSU would win on criteria with Zain's pin.

I also wouldn't consider someone a drama queen for concern about the national title. Until we know about Jason's condition, there is risk and potentially much less margin for error. However, the Chicken Little "we already lost" ... yeah, the shoe fits.

 

[ev_flores0331]

I like this guy!

You clearly don't know I'm rooting against you guys, LOL

I see you guys as the NY Yankees of NCAA wrestling

 

[dsites52]

You clearly don't know I'm rooting against you guys, LOL

I see you guys as the NY Yankees of NCAA wrestling

"Those damn Yankees.."
May your bus ride be long!

 

[Jda24]

125: Tomasello by tech, 5-0
133: Pletcher by dec, 8-0
141: Lee by dec, 8-3
149: Retherford by tech, 8-8
157: Jordan by major, 12-8
165: Joseph by major, 12-12
174: Hall by dec, 12-15
184: Martin by dec, 15-15
197: Rasheed by dec, 15-18
Hywt: Snyder by dec, 18-18

I'm assuming Bo P is going at 157...can he hold it to a dec?
Without Nolf, I think 3 bonus points each.
Snyder wins by a major or more and we probably lose.
I don' think Lee can major McKenna.
Nickal has been shaky lately and Martin has been on fire; this and 197 are the swing matches.
I think we get the upset at 197 to make up for a loss at 184..
If its a tie, and it comes down to a tie breaker, most takedowns wins it.

 

[tomsc]

Snyder is not dec Nevills and Joseph isn’t going to tech Campbell. I would say he has a better chance of pinning Campbell than teching him. If Nolf does not go, Jordan will get more than a dec.

I agree with all of these comments--my reactions too to the rosy prediction. PSU has a darkhorse shot, but almost everything would have to go our way with Nolf out. Possible, for sure, but not probable.

 

[Creek Side]

Here's how I see it:

125: Tomasello by tech, 5-0
133: Pletcher by dec, 8-0
141: Lee by dec, 8-3
149: Retherford by fall, 8-9
157: Jordan by dec, 11-9
165: Joseph by tech, 11-14
174: Hall by dec, 11-17
184: Nickal by dec, 11-20
197: Moore by dec, 14-20
Hywt: Snyder by dec, 17-20

Unless Jordan or Martin pull the upset, I can't see you guys losing. Nolf is admittedly your best wrestler but those of you fretting over the national title are being drama queens. Ohio State may win the Big Ten title but because there are more rounds at NCAA's the odds increase they will underperform while PSU has a history of outperforming their seeds under your current coach.

I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen Nick perform well enough this year to think that Snyder won't major him. I really, really, really hope I'm wrong.

 

[amattaro]

125 NaTo OSU MD 0-4
133 Pletcher OSU D 0-7
141 Lee PSU D 3-7
149 Retherford PSU MD 7-7
157 Jordan OSU TF 7-12
165 Joseph PSU MD 11-12
174 Hall PSU D 14-12
184 Nickal PSU D 17-12
197 Rasheed PSU D 20-12
285 Snyder OSU MD 20-16

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I think PSU would have won a close dual with Nolf and now tOSU will win a close dual if all of the studs are a go. There should be great matches at 141,174,184, and 197. If PSU wins all 4 they can win this thing, but that is a tall task.

 

[dsites52]

125 NaTo OSU MD 0-4
133 Pletcher OSU D 0-7
141 Lee PSU D 3-7
149 Retherford PSU MD 7-7
157 Jordan OSU TF 7-12
165 Joseph PSU MD 11-12
174 Hall PSU D 14-12
184 Nickal PSU D 17-12
197 Rasheed PSU D 20-12
285 Snyder OSU MD 20-16

Why stop at the dec. I say Shak catches him in a cradle of the cross face variety for a little wREC hall magic a la Mr. Wright

 

[RLSalty]

Hope our studs compensate for their lost brother, Send Pipher, Schnupp (or Kuhn), and NN to stall camp this week and if "The Cradle Will Rock" goes off at 197 we win!

 

[ev_flores0331]

Here's the thing: even your guys that are outclassed fight hard until the very end while the Ohio State guys (like most other schools) are fine with just getting a comfortable win. And this is coming from a guy who isn't a fan of either team.

 

[pawrest01]

This is how I see the dual working out after the bad luck suffered last week.

125: The "Wreck Hall" crowd takes all the good oxygen out of the room and Nato gasses in the third just enough for Schnupp/Kuhn to throw him in a headlock. Ref calls a quick pin but Tan Tom is furious and immediately goes to Twitter to complain about the officiating.

133: Pletcher ahead by 1 with 12 seconds to go in the third when Keener runs through a blast double and wins by 1. Tan Boys challenge but to no avail.

141: Mckenna gets the first takedown then is meticulously picked apart until he breaks and gramby's himself to his back for the fall. PSU up 15-0 after 3.

149: Zain dislocates both of Hayes arms and he is stuck trying to fight off a pin only using his legs. It doesn't work and Zain politely shakes his hand after destroying him mentally and physically.

157: Nolf comes out in a giant leg brace and uses it to his advantage by only hitting whirly birds for 5 minutes straight getting the tech at the end of the 2nd period. PSU up 26 - -1 at the break as OSU loses a team point because Tommy had an aneurysm and just projectile vomited on the ref. He said it was an accident but we all know it was intentional.

Intermission: Buckeyes retreat to their locker room and bank on the 2nd half pin chain being brought out of hiding.

165: Cenzo up by 12 but then Campbell methodically backs off the mat 6 times in a row to get DQ'd. Ryan throws the brick but the ref throws it back.

174: Bo's kids had a birthday party to go to so he didn't make the trip. Cue the Mixer. PSU 38 - -2 another team point as Jaggers has to be restrained while explaining the rules about backups being Mixer'd by Mark.

184: Bo by Dec. 41 - -2

197: Shak Nasty comes out to Notorious B.I.G. "I love it when you call me big Poppa" and pins Moore in 7 seconds. Ryan throws the brick again and at this point the ref gives it to the scorers table and puts Ryan in timeout for 3 minutes.

HWT: Capt America see's no need to wrestle as his team is losing by an insurmountable sum so Nevills pins his brother.

Final Score 53 - -2 for the good guys

In all seriousness I have it 21-19 PSU even without Nolf. I have a feeling this will be the best effort we see all year from our guys. I really hope Nolf can go at Ncaa's as the team race will be a lot tighter without him but def still possible of winning. I will be watching the dual from the beach in Cancun so even with a loss I will still be winning.

 

[El-Jefe]

I will be watching the dual from the beach in Cancun so even with a loss I will still be winning.

This is so wrong. Ohio State matches are supposed to be watched in Aruba.

BTW, maybe Tonasello has another friend getting married this weekend?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Average officials, long bus rides, the flu and small venues take their toll on the tan boys.

And, I'd better hear an appropriately timed, "That's not how we'd have handled it, Tom."

 

[pawrest01]

This is so wrong. Ohio State matches are supposed to be watched in Aruba.

BTW, maybe Tonasello has another friend getting married this weekend?

As soon as I booked the vacation in Cancun I immediately thought that it was 100 percent not how Tom would have handled it..

 

[Lyons212]

This is so wrong. Ohio State matches are supposed to be watched in Aruba.

BTW, maybe Tonasello has another friend getting married this weekend?

Probably not, however I would not be surprised if BoJo has Daddy duty on Saturday.

I have a suspicion that Ryan wants to limit the possible number of losses BoJo has. Currently has 2, both to Zahid. Daniel Lewis of Missouri is currently undefeated and most likely will remain that way, that has to get him a top 3 seed. If Ryan limits BoJo to wrestling Hall only one time, it might be winner take all for a #2 or #3 seed and avoid Zahid in the semis. Hall losses to BoJo, Zahid is the #1 seed. BoJo losses to Hall twice, #4 seed for BoJo. If they would split, Hall with one loss still probably ends up with the higher seed if the matches are close.

 

[Blackcat97]

125- Nato (Fall) 6-0 TOSU
133-Pletcher (Decision) 9-0 TOSU
141- Lee (Decision) 9-3 TOSU (Big Swing Match, gotta have it to have a chance)
149-Zain (Major) (Hayes only job is to stall here, we need more than a major IMO to have a chance) 9-7 TOSU
157- Jordan (Major) (If we can hold it to decision it's huge) 13-7 TOSU
165- Cenzo (Major) (Expect more stalling here, we need some form of bonus) 13-11 TOSU
174- Hall (Decision) 13-14 PSU (Obviously, another big swing)
184-Nickal (Decision) 13-17 PSU (Could see bonus, but if Nickal goes for bonus he also opens door for Martin. Feel like if he stays solid it's a solid win)
197- Moore (Decision) 16-17 PSU -I would like to believe in an upset, but hard to imagine.
HWT- Snyder (Major) 20-17 TOSU -At very least we give a major to the best wrestler on the planet.

Wow, even without Nolf this will be a fun dual. We have a chance, but need bonus at key weights and have to win all the swings. With Nolf it's a comfortable win for us.

 

[dsites52]

Bo by Dec. 41 - -2

Heh. My favorite part of the prediction.

 

[Dogwelder]

Hey, since PSU's squad has a murderer's row, they are an analogue of the murderer's row from Airplane. (32-second video)


In other words:

Kuhn = stewardess
Keener = salesman
Lee = doctor
Zain = nun
Pipher = hare krishna
Joseph = boxing man
Hall = wrench brother
Nickal = pistol mama
Rasheed = bat girl
Nevills = whipmaster

I hope that helps.

 

[lionlover]

I hope that helps.

I think YOU need help!

 

[PSUcup1]

Probably not, however I would not be surprised if BoJo has Daddy duty on Saturday.

I have a suspicion that Ryan wants to limit the possible number of losses BoJo has. Currently has 2, both to Zahid. Daniel Lewis of Missouri is currently undefeated and most likely will remain that way, that has to get him a top 3 seed. If Ryan limits BoJo to wrestling Hall only one time, it might be winner take all for a #2 or #3 seed and avoid Zahid in the semis. Hall losses to BoJo, Zahid is the #1 seed. BoJo losses to Hall twice, #4 seed for BoJo. If they would split, Hall with one loss still probably ends up with the higher seed if the matches are close.

Personally. I think BoJo (and Hall for that matter) are better off getting Valencia on Friday night rather than Saturday night .... when he will weigh 185+ LBs

 

[NoVa Lion]

My take with 2 different scenarios

125 Nato fall Schnupp or Major Kuhn 6-0 or 4-0
133 Pletcher Dec 9-0 or 7-0
141 Lee Dec 9-3 or 7-3
149 Zain Major or Fall 9-7 or 7-9
157 Jordan TF or Major 14-7 or 11-9
165 Cenzo Dec 14-10 or 11-12
174 Hall Dec 14-13 or 11-15
184 Bo Dec 14-16 or 11-18
197 Moore Dec or Shak Dec 17-16 or 11-21
285 Snyder Major 21-16 or 15-21

So we lose 21-16 or win 21-15. Bonus points and 197 being the deciding factors. Also, we really need to win all of the tossup matches, 141, 174, 184, although IMHO we are favorites in all of those matches it is not by a huge amount in any of them.

 

[Lyons212]

Personally. I think BoJo (and Hall for that matter) are better off getting Valencia on Friday night rather than Saturday night .... when he will weigh 185+ LBs

I agree with you, getting Zahid Friday night after 2 days of cutting weight is the best time to wrestle him. I think the only way that happens for Hall is if he has a losing record against BoJo.

 

[takedown1988]

Just listened to a Jason Bryant podcast with Zeke Jones. Zeke claims that Zahid isn't walking around much higher than 174. Not sure I believe him but that is what he claims. Of course he also claims that Anthony could make 157 if he had to.

 

[CholleyVandine]

he is 20-0
has 2 majors and 1 fall

The three guys Pletcher has scored bonus points against have seven wins on the season between them (and 28 losses).

A bonus point win against Keener seems unlikely.

 

[jrd23psu]

125lbs - tOSU FALL (MD if Kuhn goes) - 0-6
133lbs - tOSU DEC - 0-9
141lbs - PSU DEC - 3-9
149lbs - PSU TFALL - 8-9
157lbs - tOSU MD - 8-13
165lbs - PSU MD - 11-13
174lbs - PSU DEC - 14-13
184lbs - PSU DEC - 17-13
197lbs - tOSU DEC - 17-16
HWT - tOSU TFALL - 17-21

If Nolf was going he gets a MD and it's 21-17 PSU.

 

[PSUcup1]

Just listened to a Jason Bryant podcast with Zeke Jones. Zeke claims that Zahid isn't walking around much higher than 174. Not sure I believe him but that is what he claims. Of course he also claims that Anthony could make 157 if he had to.

yeah .... I dont believe Zeke for a second on either of those points

 

[PennStateTurf2002]

125 OSU +4 vs KUHN
133 OSU +3
141 PSU +4 Lee’s coming out party.
149 PSU +6
157 OSU +5
165 PSU +4
174 PSU +3
184 PSU +3
197 OSU +3
HWT OSU +4.

The crowd will make the difference and Ryan won’t be a happy camper after. I hope everyone appreciates seeing Kyle Snyder in person for the last time at PSU. You don’t have to be a fan of Ohio State to realize you are watching something special and rare. He represents us with total class internationally.

PSU 20
OSU 19