Ray Blehar: Evidence in 2001 Twisted, Tainted, and Incomplete

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You have been on this site forever and it used to be the referees. Then it was UM. Now it's the entire judicial system as anyone dare hurt PSU and you'll be there. I think it's a shame the witch hunt took down innocent people not named Jerry Sandusky. Now read that sentence again, because I have stated it too many times to count and either you're a f--king moron or you just only want to hear what you anticipate will be said.

Seriously, how many times can I say CSS and Joe caught a raw deal due to the witch hunt...200 or so isn't enough. That crap isn't getting walked back now and IF YOU ACTUALLY REALLY DID CARE, you sure as shit wouldn't be wasting any real time here like you do every f--king day on it. You are FOS and just like to scream on this site, but as much time as you waste on here, maybe you could make a change to the state judicial system if you actually decided to put some effort into it. Instead you act like a f--king maniac yelling TROLL all damn day long and don't really do a thing for your just cause. Why not really try and make a change since you want to PRETEND to be so passionate about it.

How about them apples BODE aka Get Real?

No, what you clearly said before was that it doesn't matter if the perpetrators of this travesty, especially the OAG and the PA Judiciary, trampled PA Law as well as the PA and US Constitutions and caused literally billions of dollars in damage to inncoents as well as unjust indictments, etc... because Sandusky is behind bars. IOW, tyrannizing and terrorizing innocents was just the price of justice and you would have had no problem if it was you who had been falsely accussed and destroyed...... Again, something tells me, you're a hypocritical, lying douchebag just like the immoral, zero-ethics, corrupt perpetrators of this travesty, who you are constantly tacitly defending with your "but Sandusky is behind bars" bull$hit justifying massive tyranny born of corruption and cowardice! Gee, do tell why the OAG and multiple other direct State Agency co-conspirators needed to violate and abuse two different PA Codes (PA CPS and SWIGJ Law) as well as completely trump-up completely bull$hit charges against 3 different PSU Employees that had ZERO to do with V1 AND take multiple years to investigate a CPSL report by V1 to put Sandusky behind bars, when CPS Law is very straightforward as to how V1's STUDENT REPORT via his Public School is to be handled and it looks NOTHING LIKE the way it was in fact handled???

So let me get this straight Mr. Hypocrite, the PA Authorities didn't need to abuse and trample PA CPS and SWIGJ Law - as well as C/S/S's civil rights - and cause billions of dollars of damage to hundreds of thousands of innocents, if not millions (in both outright damage and reputational damage), Corrupt Corbutt just did all this stuff to make it more intriguing and interesting......make it a "media event" so to speak?!?! Huh? Given that Sandusky is so plainly guilty under the prescriptions of CPS Law, why was all this other collateral damage necessary and why has it only served to LEAVE CHILDREN STILL AT RISK as the parties who have clearly failed Pennsylvanians and the children, including Corbutt, DPW, TSM, CMHS, etc..., have not been held to account for their malfeasance and cover-up, nor have the basic problems that led to these kids being abused with THE STATE's IMPRIMATUR (including licensing Sandusky's victim farm - i.e., TSM - adoption, foster parenting, group homes, etc... for nearly 5 decades) been fixed or addressed?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

No, what you clearly said before was that it doesn't matter if the perpetrators of this travesty, especially the OAG and the PA Judiciary, trampled PA Law as well as the PA and US Constitutions and caused literally billions of dollars in damage to inncoents as well as unjust indictments, etc... because Sandusky is behind bars. IOW, tyrannizing and terrorizing innocents was just the price of justice and you would have had no problem if it was you who had been falsely accussed and destroyed...... Again, something tells me, you're a hypocritical, lying douchebag just like the immoral, zero-ethics, corrupt perpetrators of this travesty, who you are constantly tacitly defending with your "but Sandusky is behind bars" bull$hit justifying massive tyranny born of corruption and cowardice! Gee, do tell why the OAG and multiple other direct State Agency co-conspirators needed to violate and abuse two different PA Codes (PA CPS and SWIGJ Law) as well as completely trump-up completely bull$hit charges against 3 different PSU Employees that had ZERO to do with V1 AND take multiple years to investigate a CPSL report by V1 to put Sandusky behind bars, when CPS Law is very straightforward as to how V1's STUDENT REPORT via his Public School is to be handled and it looks NOTHING LIKE the way it was in fact handled???

So let me get this straight Mr. Hypocrite, the PA Authorities didn't need to abuse and trample PA CPS and SWIGJ Law - as well as C/S/S's civil rights - and cause billions of dollars of damage to hundreds of thousands of innocents, if not millions (in both outright damage and reputational damage), Corrupt Corbutt just did all this stuff to make it more intriguing and interesting......make it a "media event" so to speak?!?! Huh? Given that Sandusky is so plainly guilty under the prescriptions of CPS Law, why was all this other collateral damage necessary and why has it only served to LEAVE CHILDREN STILL AT RISK as the parties who have clearly failed Pennsylvanians and the children, including Corbutt, DPW, TSM, CMHS, etc..., have not been held to account for their malfeasance and cover-up, nor have the basic problems that led to these kids being abused with THE STATE's IMPRIMATUR (including licensing Sandusky's victim farm - i.e., TSM - adoption, foster parenting, group homes, etc... for nearly 5 decades) been fixed or addressed.

Jerry Sandusky is where he belongs. The school's BoT and leadership made piss poor decisions when the all went down. Innocent people were taken down by the witch hunt. Pretty much sums it up for me and I don't care about your pretend legal battles online as they are just make pretend.

 

[coveydidnt]

The fact that you don't care about your credibility speaks volumes. Perhaps you meant to say "I don't care what others think about my credibility". Or perhaps you really don't care.

If you truly "KNOW" then please answer one question for me: have you personally seen the original emails?

At any rate, I don't think the "altered emails" matter much in terms of the CSS trial. The OAG has no case.

The only reason the altered emails would matter would be in terms of prosecuting whoever altered them.

I'm not your trained monkey. You have very very little in the way of imagination.

 

[L.T. Young]

His expertise and research was about marriage. Nothing in his background suggests he was an expert on child abuse reporting -- with the exception of his first hand experience as an abused child. Abuse that went unreported.

A licensed family therapist would receive training in abuse and protocols to follow.

Spanier did include sexual abuse in girls as part of his scholarly work "Sexualization and premarital sexual behavior".

Spanier concluded that sexual abuse before the age of 12 or 13 would have no impact on premarital sexual behavior, because genital touching would be misinterpreted by the child as tickling or playing whether it was pleasurable or not.

He also determined that "Children probably pick up cues from adults about sex play which inform the children that it should be concealed,".

 

[PSU2UNC]

I'm not your trained monkey. You have very very little in the way of imagination.

Legal investigations aren't about imagination. They are about facts and evidence. So you've either seen the evidence (i.e. the original emails) or you haven't. If you haven't, then you are speculating just like everyone else here.

Also, your last post is offensive to monkeys everywhere.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Enjoy Ray's work, but he really has not done enough on the most fundemental and perplexing question - the question that this "independent investigator" and legal expert has raised (HIT THE LINK).....why was the PA CPS Law subverted and not followed in regards to V1, when there was a specific subsection of the PA CPSL Code dedicated to the precise type of report made by V1 at Central Mountain High School:

55 Pa. Code § 3490.141 (2012) This subchapter applies to the Department, county agencies, law enforcement officials and schools.

55 Pa. Code § 3490.142 (2012) The purpose of this subchapter is to implement the provisions of the CPSL relating to student abuse.​

The Code was very clear as to how V1's Report was to be handled and nobody has provided answers as to why the Code was not followed, let alone the complete subversion of the investigation by AG Corbutt in initiating a SWIGJ which was completely outside the "Subject-Matter" jurisdiction of the PA SWIGJ Code as plainly written in the SWIGJ Code, but also a complete further subversion of CPSL Code!?!?

The reasons for these subversions plainly appears to be political corruption, abuse of public powers for self-interested agendas and tyranny. But nobody in the PA Judiciary has provided even a remotely reasonable answer or justification as to why this massive "prosecutorial misconduct", which is a clear violation of all indicted parties' due process rights under both the PA and US Constitutions, has been permitted to stand!

 

[roswelllion]

Let me put it this way, if you were handed a four-dollar bill would you believe it was real?

It would be "game changing" if the court system wasn't corrupt.

Pretty good analogy. I actually think I understand.

 

[roswelllion]

Lajolla, my favorite is when people try to demean you (the universal you, not you in particular) for voicig an opinion or questioning somebody else's opinion. It's like adult middle school.

Well on this topic LaJolla is a PHD graduate. Anyone who even remotely questions anything re JS [forget guilt just procedure] is the devil.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Well on this topic LaJolla is a PHD graduate. Anyone who even remotely questions anything re JS [forget guilt just procedure] is the devil.

Oh you poor dear, Jerry loves little boys privates. Sorry that the you don't like hearing that, but he will die in prison. So many people worried about the legal system here, great champions of justice. Other real innocent people are in prison but Jerry is your cause. Maybe you guys can work on Manson next. So much effort for Jerry!!!! Fix that system who jailed that serial pedophile. Justice FOR JERRY!!!!! Get that new trial!!!

 

[Connorpozlee]

Oh you poor dear, Jerry loves little boys privates. Sorry that the you don't like hearing that, but he will die in prison. So many people worried about the legal system here, great champions of justice. Other real innocent people are in prison but Jerry is your cause. Maybe you guys can work on Manson next. So much effort for Jerry!!!! Fix that system who jailed that serial pedophile. Justice FOR JERRY!!!!! Get that new trial!!!

Honestly, how many other cases do you think people on here have followed closely? In the last ten years I have only followed this one.

Typically, somebody in here questions the legitimacy of the trial and you respond by saying he's guilty. That's like somebody saying it's hot outside and you saying its raining. Kind of related in a way, but one really doesn't have to do with the other.

That said, I don't really see many on here that do not think he is guilty. Not everybody that questions the fairness of the trial is a "free Jerry" person.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Oh you poor dear, Jerry loves little boys privates. Sorry that the you don't like hearing that, but he will die in prison. So many people worried about the legal system here, great champions of justice. Other real innocent people are in prison but Jerry is your cause. Maybe you guys can work on Manson next. So much effort for Jerry!!!! Fix that system who jailed that serial pedophile. Justice FOR JERRY!!!!! Get that new trial!!!

It is amazing that you have no problem with the massive injustices that have been perpetrated against PSU, PSU's reputation, PSU employees, the absurd defamation of the PSU community, etc... by these corrupt, self-interested scumbags. Meanwhile, PA's children are every bit as at risk to the massive failures of PA Childcare and Child Welfare System as they were before Sandusky, but that causes you no pause. Nor does the fact that the V1 investigation was never handled as prescribed by CPSL from the get go, etc... Interesting that none of this bothers you, especially PSU's name and reputation being unjustly dragged through the mud. Very interesting...

 

[LaJolla Lion]

It is amazing that you have no problem with the massive injustices that have been perpetrated against PSU, PSU's reputation, PSU employees, the absurd defamation of the PSU community, etc... by these corrupt, self-interested scumbags. Meanwhile, PA's children are every bit as at risk to the massive failures of PA Childcare and Child Welfare System as they were before Sandusky, but that causes you no pause. Nor does the fact that the V1 investigation was never handled as prescribed by CPSL from the get go, etc... Interesting that none of this bothers you, especially PSU's name and reputation being unjustly dragged through the mud. Very interesting...

Interesting indeed that for 10 years prior on this same site to Jerry you never once were a judicial champion. In fact I never saw you do do more than cry about poor ole PSU and the officials. It must be hard being a victim all of the time.

Why aren't you really out fighting for this system to be changed? How come it took Jerry's saga for you to take on this cause on a sports message board? Interesting indeed.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Honestly, how many other cases do you think people on here have followed closely? In the last ten years I have only followed this one.

Typically, somebody in here questions the legitimacy of the trial and you respond by saying he's guilty. That's like somebody saying it's hot outside and you saying its raining. Kind of related in a way, but one really doesn't have to do with the other.

That said, I don't really see many on here that do not think he is guilty. Not everybody that questions the fairness of the trial is a "free Jerry" person.

Oh I'm sure SOME do have legit concerns, but this is about Joe and PSU to most. They can say the PC crap, but this is about the school getting trashed. Hell a few are still on the trashing of the victims JZ routine. I had one idiot asking about being attracted to teen girls as he was trying to justify Jerry's behavior. Sure that nutbag is in the far end of things but a few here have really lost it. It's cute watching these legal crusaders fighting this battle on a free PSU site. Surely that change to the judicial system is going to be here any day now!!!

Someone like wensilver at least is asking the tough questions in the real world. She is the exception to most here. Hell Barry is pissed at the BoT and is an arrogant prick, but at least he is trying to make a difference. Most of the other ones want to argue about what MM saw or said still.

 

[rmb297]

Enjoy Ray's work, but he really has not done enough on the most fundemental and perplexing question - the question that this "independent investigator" and legal expert has raised (HIT THE LINK).....why was the PA CPS Law subverted and not followed in regards to V1, when there was a specific subsection of the PA CPSL Code dedicated to the precise type of report made by V1 at Central Mountain High School:

55 Pa. Code § 3490.141 (2012) This subchapter applies to the Department, county agencies, law enforcement officials and schools.

55 Pa. Code § 3490.142 (2012) The purpose of this subchapter is to implement the provisions of the CPSL relating to student abuse.​

The Code was very clear as to how V1's Report was to be handled and nobody has provided answers as to why the Code was not followed, let alone the complete subversion of the investigation by AG Corbutt in initiating a SWIGJ which was completely outside the "Subject-Matter" jurisdiction of the PA SWIGJ Code as plainly written in the SWIGJ Code, but also a complete further subversion of CPSL Code!?!?

The reasons for these subversions plainly appears to be political corruption, abuse of public powers for self-interested agendas and tyranny. But nobody in the PA Judiciary has provided even a remotely reasonable answer or justification as to why this massive "prosecutorial misconduct", which is a clear violation of all indicted parties' due process rights under both the PA and US Constitutions, has been permitted to stand!

Well, to start with, the so-called EXPERT is not citing the CPSL, he's citing the Public Welfare Code, which is not the "law."

Next, the so-called EXPERT has little to no understanding that the child protective service investigation was OVER when the grand jury was convened.

The case was "indicated." and Sandusky was barred from contacting children.
The protective part was completed within the 60 day time limit and it was conducted by a protective service worker. The police had no input into the report to DPW that was filed by CYS.

Thereafter, the Pennsylvania code provides: 1) the county CYS/DPW is the sole civil agency responsible for investigating reports of suspected student abuse; 2) the investigation shall be conducted by a protective service worker; and, 3) the CYS/DPW's investigation shall be completed within 60-calendar days of when the report was received by ChildLine, with a status determination of indicated, unfounded or pending criminal court action.


END OF CYS's role.

Everything after that was a CRIMINAL investigation.

No only is this so-called expert ignorant of the law, but the person is also ignorant of the facts of the case.

 

[bjf1991]

Interesting indeed that for 10 years prior on this same site to Jerry you never once were a judicial champion. In fact I never saw you do do more than cry about poor ole PSU and the officials. It must be hard being a victim all of the time.

Why aren't you really out fighting for this system to be changed? How come it took Jerry's saga for you to take on this cause on a sports message board? Interesting indeed.

Uh........ Not defending GetReal (or anyone else, they can do that for themselves)

But you ask "How come it took Jerry's saga for you to take on this cause on a SPORTS MESSAGE BOARD?"

You seriously ask that question?

When was the last time a completely f&cked up criminal trial was RELAVENT to a PSU sports message board?

This "thing" you have wrt being adament that no one should question the prosecution of this case has led to taking on some bizzaro-world positions


I've long since given up on trying to reason with you wrt the difference between being "Free Jerry" vs "Maybe the Prosecutors and Judiciary ought to not run kangaroo courts"
Connerpuzlee tried a bit earlier in the thread ........ but it obviously is something you just refuse to allow to enter your head

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Uh........ Not defending GetReal (or anyone else, they can do that for themselves)

But you ask "How come it took Jerry's saga for you to take on this cause on a SPORTS MESSAGE BOARD?"

You seriously ask that question?

When was the last time a completely f&cked up criminal trial was RELAVENT to a PSU sports message board?

This "thing" you have wrt being adament that no one should question the prosecution of this case has led to taking on some bizzaro-world positions


I've long since given up on trying to reason with you wrt the difference between being "Free Jerry" vs "Maybe the Prosecutors and Judiciary ought to not run kangaroo courts"
Connerpuzlee tried a bit earlier in the thread ........ but it obviously is something you just refuse to allow to enter your head

Gee, that almost sounds like one could conclude LaJolla "Lion" has an agenda regarding the defense of those who prosecuted Sandusky via an utterly "false narrative" that defamed and lIbeled PSU, PSU's Football Program, PSU Employees, the PSU Community, etc...devalued PSU's reputation and degrees, etc... But he's a tireless PSU fan - trust him, LMFAO!

 

[rmb297]

Enjoy Ray's work, but he really has not done enough on the most fundemental and perplexing question - the question that this "independent investigator" and legal expert has raised (HIT THE LINK).....why was the PA CPS Law subverted and not followed in regards to V1, when there was a specific subsection of the PA CPSL Code dedicated to the precise type of report made by V1 at Central Mountain High School:

55 Pa. Code § 3490.141 (2012) This subchapter applies to the Department, county agencies, law enforcement officials and schools.

55 Pa. Code § 3490.142 (2012) The purpose of this subchapter is to implement the provisions of the CPSL relating to student abuse.​

The Code was very clear as to how V1's Report was to be handled and nobody has provided answers as to why the Code was not followed, let alone the complete subversion of the investigation by AG Corbutt in initiating a SWIGJ which was completely outside the "Subject-Matter" jurisdiction of the PA SWIGJ Code as plainly written in the SWIGJ Code, but also a complete further subversion of CPSL Code!?!?

The reasons for these subversions plainly appears to be political corruption, abuse of public powers for self-interested agendas and tyranny. But nobody in the PA Judiciary has provided even a remotely reasonable answer or justification as to why this massive "prosecutorial misconduct", which is a clear violation of all indicted parties' due process rights under both the PA and US Constitutions, has been permitted to stand!

While I appreciate you appreciate my work I have done more than my fair share of legal research and that's why I contacted the PR firm behind this web-site and told them that their legal "expert" had no clue.

For yet another example of this individual's lack of knowledge, or perhaps, wishful thinking that people wouldn't check the references, go here:
http://www.pennlawfumble.info/taking-apart-the-ags-criminal-charges.htm

Read the nonsense the so-called expert wrote, then click on note 73.

The expert is arguing the record should have been expunged because Fisher did not allege sexual contact. 73 states that "unfounded" records are expunged. CYS "indicated" a finding, thus the record could not be expunged.

In February 2009, Sandusky appealed to DPW to have his record expunged. His request was rightfully denied. The ONLY expungement that was due Sandusky was for his record to be expunged from the PENDING investigations file.

I can go to practically any page on this web-site and find that the law and/or code being wrongly applied to the situation.

One thing I will admit is that I wish I had the web presence and slick stuff this web-site has,b but my time is limited right now. Once I retire (soon), I might be able to put up a web-site that is BIGLY. LOL!

 

[didier]

While I appreciate you appreciate my work I have done more than my fair share of legal research and that's why I contacted the PR firm behind this web-site and told them that their legal "expert" had no clue.

For yet another example of this individual's lack of knowledge, or perhaps, wishful thinking that people wouldn't check the references, go here:
http://www.pennlawfumble.info/taking-apart-the-ags-criminal-charges.htm

Read the nonsense the so-called expert wrote, then click on note 73.

The expert is arguing the record should have been expunged because Fisher did not allege sexual contact. 73 states that "unfounded" records are expunged. CYS "indicated" a finding, thus the record could not be expunged.

In February 2009, Sandusky appealed to DPW to have his record expunged. His request was rightfully denied. The ONLY expungement that was due Sandusky was for his record to be expunged from the PENDING investigations file.

I can go to practically any page on this web-site and find that the law and/or code being wrongly applied to the situation.

One thing I will admit is that I wish I had the web presence and slick stuff this web-site has,b but my time is limited right now. Once I retire (soon), I might be able to put up a web-site that is BIGLY. LOL!

Can you say more about the 1998 timeline discrepancies. You mentioned someone may have been interviewed at a different time than generally believed?

 

[WyomingLion]

Oh I'm sure SOME do have legit concerns, but this is about Joe and PSU to most. They can say the PC crap, but this is about the school getting trashed. Hell a few are still on the trashing of the victims JZ routine. I had one idiot asking about being attracted to teen girls as he was trying to justify Jerry's behavior. Sure that nutbag is in the far end of things but a few here have really lost it. It's cute watching these legal crusaders fighting this battle on a free PSU site. Surely that change to the judicial system is going to be here any day now!!!

Someone like wensilver at least is asking the tough questions in the real world. She is the exception to most here. Hell Barry is pissed at the BoT and is an arrogant prick, but at least he is trying to make a difference. Most of the other ones want to argue about what MM saw or said still.

WOW! You are now the OZ of personal motivations. Maybe some people were originally drawn to this because of the way PSU and JVP have been crucified, but if they have taken up the cause to stop judicial malpractice and child welfare reform how is that bad? I fail to see how that is not a worthy pursuit. It makes your position suspect from my viewpoint.

 

[rmb297]

Can you say more about the 1998 timeline discrepancies. You mentioned someone may have been interviewed at a different time than generally believed?

BK was interviewed twice, not once -- based on the information I rec'd from someone who was there.

BTW, did you notice that there is no statement or indication that the only reported interview w/BK was without the consent of a parent?

 

[rmb297]

WOW! You are now the OZ of personal motivations. Maybe some people were originally drawn to this because of the way PSU and JVP have been crucified, but if they have taken up the cause to stop judicial malpractice and child welfare reform how is that bad? I fail to see how that is not a worthy pursuit. It makes your position suspect from my viewpoint.

While I don't post here all that much, from what I see is something on the scandal gets posted and then the usual suspects show up and HIJACK the thread and turn it into the never ending argument about what MM told Joe.

Most of us have gotten past that and understand that the MM-JVP incident was a firestorm created by the AG at the request of Tom Corbett for the purpose of getting rid of Spanier.

The Freeh Report exposed the problems in child protective services -- even though he tried to gloss over them. Over five years of court cases exposed the judicial malpractice and corruption in PA.....and a whole can of worms is waiting to be opened at The Second Mile.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Gee, that almost sounds like one could conclude LaJolla "Lion" has an agenda regarding the defense of those who prosecuted Sandusky via an utterly "false narrative" that defamed and lIbeled PSU, PSU's Football Program, PSU Employees, the PSU Community, etc...devalued PSU's reputation and degrees, etc... But he's a tireless PSU fan - trust him, LMFAO!

Go get em Tiger!!!!!!! LFMAO@BODE!!!! New cause fore GetReal aka Bode aka Bushwood....it's about the kids and the courts!!! Bravo to you sir!!! Bravo!!! Got get these evil people inside the judicial system and Jerry's lying evil victims!!!! These trolls just were "fans" of another school or trolls!!!! That is the new theme with Tom's site. You caught me and me not flipping out over poor Jerry's "unfair" trial clearly means I hate PSU. Oh man you got it. Crap, I came to Tom's plotit board 20 years ago knowing this day would come and I was working with Lloyd Carr all along!!! You caught me!!! You were right all along.

Wow, you'll probably think that is true too!!! That is why you are so awesome!!!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

WOW! You are now the OZ of personal motivations. Maybe some people were originally drawn to this because of the way PSU and JVP have been crucified, but if they have taken up the cause to stop judicial malpractice and child welfare reform how is that bad? I fail to see how that is not a worthy pursuit. It makes your position suspect from my viewpoint.

Funny thing is how far some decide to go with their motives. People freely toss some bad tag lines around here all of the time. Nobody is opposed to fixing any agency or system, but sounds great saying something so stupid I guess. It's fine HERE to attack Jerry's victims, all of the CPS/CYS services, investigators, prosecutors, BUT DON'T YOU DARE SAY A WORD ABOUT THAT MONSTER JERRY and his "unfair" trial!! He was railroaded by the system and his lying victims are all evil lying POS!!!

So you were saying,,,, something about the cause, motives, or something? So now the viewpoint is if you don't give a shit about Jerry ever seeing the light of day, you are against progress with state run agencies or the judicial system. I love the logic used to justify this crap on this site only. Well played, well played. I hate reform and justice, guilty as charged!!!!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

While I appreciate you appreciate my work I have done more than my fair share of legal research and that's why I contacted the PR firm behind this web-site and told them that their legal "expert" had no clue.

For yet another example of this individual's lack of knowledge, or perhaps, wishful thinking that people wouldn't check the references, go here:
http://www.pennlawfumble.info/taking-apart-the-ags-criminal-charges.htm

Read the nonsense the so-called expert wrote, then click on note 73.

The expert is arguing the record should have been expunged because Fisher did not allege sexual contact. 73 states that "unfounded" records are expunged. CYS "indicated" a finding, thus the record could not be expunged.

In February 2009, Sandusky appealed to DPW to have his record expunged. His request was rightfully denied. The ONLY expungement that was due Sandusky was for his record to be expunged from the PENDING investigations file.

I can go to practically any page on this web-site and find that the law and/or code being wrongly applied to the situation.

One thing I will admit is that I wish I had the web presence and slick stuff this web-site has,b but my time is limited right now. Once I retire (soon), I might be able to put up a web-site that is BIGLY. LOL!

While i agree with your points on these items, I think the author is arguing that CPSL mandates that CMHS would have been mandated to call Law Enforcement had Aaron Fisher, V1, alleged some form of Deviant Sexual Acts (i.e., child rape) and the reason they did not call Police was because no such sexual acts were alleged by Fisher to CMHS employees.

Moreover, CPSL was not followed even when Clinton County CYS and DPW became involved, processed an indicated finding and involved Law Enforcement. The Clinton County DA abdicated the case which would be at odds with CPSL given that Sandusky was at CMHS via The Second Mile and a formal relationship TSM had with Clinton County CYS (and had been a TSM Volunteer at CMHS for many years by late 2008). While CPSL would allow the Clinton County DA to ask for help (probably allowing the involvement of the OAG), it in no way permits the Clinton County DA to abdicate their clear responsibilities under the Code). The OAG taking over the case is a clear violation of CPSL and the OAG invoking the PA SWIGJ is also a clear abuse of both the CPS and SWIGJ Laws in regards to investigating V1's Case - a SWIGJ has clearly defined "subject-matter authority" in PA and a SWIGJ clearly has no "subject-matter authority" in regards to the V1 investigation.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

While i agree with your points on these items, I think the author is arguing that CPSL mandates that CMHS would have been mandated to call Law Enforcement had Aaron Fisher, V1, alleged some form of Deviant Sexual Acts (i.e., child rape) and the reason they did not call Police was because no such sexual acts were alleged by Fisher to CMHS employees.

Moreover, CPSL was not followed even when Clinton County CYS and DPW became involved, processed an indicated finding and involved Law Enforcement. The Clinton County DA abdicated the case which would be at odds with CPSL given that Sandusky was at CMHS via The Second Mile and a formal relationship TSM had with Clinton County CYS (and had been a TSM Volunteer at CMHS for many years by late 2008). While CPSL would allow the Clinton County DA to ask for help (probably allowing the involvement of the OAG), it in no way permits the Clinton County DA to abdicate their clear responsibilities under the Code). The OAG taking over the case is a clear violation of CPSL and the OAG invoking the PA SWIGJ is also a clear abuse of both the CPS and SWIGJ Laws in regards to investigating V1's Case - a SWIGJ has clearly defined "subject-matter authority" in PA and a SWIGJ clearly has no "subject-matter authority" in regards to the V1 investigation.

BTW, if you don't believe that Clinton County had a long-standing formal relationship with The Second Mile, google "Erin Rutt Harold Yost Thomas Bossert Second Mile Coordinator" and tell me what you find. Harold "Bud" Yost, a Clinton County Commissioner played football at PSU, was good buddies with Sandusky and helped Sandusky found the Clinton County Branch of The Second Mile.

The DPW's Clinton County CYS Office attempted to claim their relationship with TSM was not "formal" in the V1 Criminal Investigation (which the site points out) which is an outright known lie by the DPW's Clinton County CYS Office, so what do you make of that malfeasance???

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Funny thing is how far some decide to go with their motives. People freely toss some bad tag lines around here all of the time. Nobody is opposed to fixing any agency or system, but sounds great saying something so stupid I guess. It's fine HERE to attack Jerry's victims, all of the CPS/CYS services, investigators, prosecutors, BUT DON'T YOU DARE SAY A WORD ABOUT THAT MONSTER JERRY and his "unfair" trial!! He was railroaded by the system and his lying victims are all evil lying POS!!!

So you were saying,,,, something about the cause, motives, or something? So now the viewpoint is if you don't give a shit about Jerry ever seeing the light of day, you are against progress with state run agencies or the judicial system. I love the logic used to justify this crap on this site only. Well played, well played. I hate reform and justice, guilty as charged!!!!

Maybe the part you don't get is that all that due process crap was put into the Constitution for people like Sandusky. A lot of people may disagree, but we don't get to assign rights to people based on whether we like or don't like them or their behavior. Prosecution witnesses don't get to commit perjury on the stand because the defendant is accused of really bad stuff. You don't allow testimony from witnesses who can't be cross-examined.

When a person is found guilty, it should be because the evidence says so. Not because the prosecution has to engage in shenanigans to win its case. that goes for Sandusky, and it goes for you and members of your family should they ever find themselves as a defendant in a courtroom.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

BTW, if you don't believe that Clinton County had a long-standing formal relationship with The Second Mile, google "Erin Rutt Harold Yost Thomas Bossert Second Mile Coordinator" and tell me what you find. Harold "Bud" Yost, a Clinton County Commissioner played football at PSU, was good buddies with Sandusky and helped Sandusky found the Clinton County Branch of The Second Mile.

The DPW's Clinton County CYS Office attempted to claim their relationship with TSM was not "formal" in the V1 Criminal Investigation (which the site points out) which is an outright known lie by the DPW's Clinton County CYS Office, so what do you make of that malfeasance???

Here Ray, let me make this easy for you - here is a hotlink to the Clinton County Commissioners weekly meetings in 2007 (HIT THE LINK)

Here is a direct excerpt from the Thursday, May 10, 2007 Meeting:

Mr. Bossert asked for a motion to approve the additional role for Erin Rutt, Big Brother Big Sister Coordinator to Coordinator for the Second Mile Program effective May 14, 2007. Motion by Mr. Yost, seconded by Mr. Kyle. Motion carried. ADD’L DUTIES E. RUTT

Don't you think it is mighty strange that the OAG and DPW attempted to claim that the DPW's Clinton County CYS Office never had a "formal" relationship with The Second Mile and that their relationship was always only informal (Erin Rutt was an employee of the Clinton County CYS Office)?

 

[roswelllion]

Oh you poor dear, Jerry loves little boys privates. Sorry that the you don't like hearing that, but he will die in prison. So many people worried about the legal system here, great champions of justice. Other real innocent people are in prison but Jerry is your cause. Maybe you guys can work on Manson next. So much effort for Jerry!!!! Fix that system who jailed that serial pedophile. Justice FOR JERRY!!!!! Get that new trial!!!

You have absolutely no idea about my views but you have made my point Dr Lajolla. it really is interesting. On most subjects you are reasonably rational. On this issue absolutely none. Makes me wonder?
. Not about JS but about your background. Almost like someone close has experienced this stuff. No comment necessary.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Maybe the part you don't get is that all that due process crap was put into the Constitution for people like Sandusky. A lot of people may disagree, but we don't get to assign rights to people based on whether we like or don't like them or their behavior. Prosecution witnesses don't get to commit perjury on the stand because the defendant is accused of really bad stuff. You don't allow testimony from witnesses who can't be cross-examined.

When a person is found guilty, it should be because the evidence says so. Not because the prosecution has to engage in shenanigans to win its case. that goes for Sandusky, and it goes for you and members of your family should they ever find themselves as a defendant in a courtroom.

Oh, he gets it.....he's just a hypocritical POS @sshole - it's okay if this was a reprehensible and INTENTIONAL miscarriage of justice against PSU and anybody associated with PSU because Sandusky is in jail....IOW, this "jack-booted" complete travesty and miscarriage of justice was "necessary", not unnecessary, if Sandusky was to be found guilty and he gladly would have had his rights violated and trampled, have his life destroyed like C/S/S, etc. to achieve the same result.... He's a lying, hypocricial, POS @sshole just like the parties responsible for this travesty of justice that he is constantly on here tacitly defending with his bull$hit.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Here Ray, let me make this easy for you - here is a hotlink to the Clinton County Commissioners weekly meetings in 2007 (HIT THE LINK)

Here is a direct excerpt from the Thursday, May 10, 2007 Meeting:

Mr. Bossert asked for a motion to approve the additional role for Erin Rutt, Big Brother Big Sister Coordinator to Coordinator for the Second Mile Program effective May 14, 2007. Motion by Mr. Yost, seconded by Mr. Kyle. Motion carried. ADD’L DUTIES E. RUTT​

Don't you think it is mighty strange that the OAG and DPW attempted to claim that the DPW's Clinton County CYS Office never had a "formal" relationship with The Second Mile and that their relationship was always only informal (Erin Rutt was an employee of the Clinton County CYS Office)?

Additionally Ray, the Clinton County DA never should have abdicated their clear responsibilities under CPSL, even if they were going to involve Centre County - in any event, what can possibly explain the OAG not even paying a visit to The Second Mile looking for other potential victims given what was reported to the OAG by DPW as to how Sandusky accessed V1, CMHS & other Public Schools in Clinton County and Clinton County CYS itself which was via the auspice of The Second Mile and TSM Clinton County CYS Registered and Approved Programs!!! Especially odd given that the OAG is a named Regulator of Charities in Pennsylvania and needed no warrants or anything else to walk into The Second Mile and look at whatever file, document or anything else they damn well pleased. I don't suppose Yost, Bossert, Salisbury, Madiera, Corbett and Poole (the Chairman of TSM) ALL being prominent members of the Pennsylvania Republican Party (in fact Madeira was Corbett's Deputy AG directly before being elected Centre County DA....Poole was a major player in the Centre County Republican Committee and even had a fund-raiser at his own home for Corbett during his run for Governor during this exact same time frame, etc....) had anything to do with The Second Mile and prominent Republican benefactors associated with TSM (as well as PA Agencies that failed the children in regards to TSM for decades) being illegally protected? BTW, how precisely did The Second Mile, a charity founded by Sandusky, get mentioned in George H. W. Bush's "Thousand Points of Light Speech" at the 1988 Republican National Convention after accepting the Republican Presidential nomination? Gee, all these connections between the Republican Party, The Second Mile, PA Republicans and the railroading of PSU are awful strange don't you think???

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Here Ray, let me make this easy for you - here is a hotlink to the Clinton County Commissioners weekly meetings in 2007 (HIT THE LINK)

Here is a direct excerpt from the Thursday, May 10, 2007 Meeting:

Mr. Bossert asked for a motion to approve the additional role for Erin Rutt, Big Brother Big Sister Coordinator to Coordinator for the Second Mile Program effective May 14, 2007. Motion by Mr. Yost, seconded by Mr. Kyle. Motion carried. ADD’L DUTIES E. RUTT​

Don't you think it is mighty strange that the OAG and DPW attempted to claim that the DPW's Clinton County CYS Office never had a "formal" relationship with The Second Mile and that their relationship was always only informal (Erin Rutt was an employee of the Clinton County CYS Office)?

Here is another interesting link:

Our Campaigns - Yost Jr., Harold C. "Bud"​

Listed under "Organizations": Board, Second Mile 2008

 

[coveydidnt]

As Joe Paterno himself famously said in his farewell address: "My only and deepest regret looking back at this mess, is that I wanted to do more, but didn't"

 

[artsandletters]

As Joe Paterno himself famously said in his farewell address: "My only and deepest regret looking back at this mess, is that I wanted to do more, but didn't"

Jackass.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Oh I'm sure SOME do have legit concerns, but this is about Joe and PSU to most. They can say the PC crap, but this is about the school getting trashed. Hell a few are still on the trashing of the victims JZ routine. I had one idiot asking about being attracted to teen girls as he was trying to justify Jerry's behavior. Sure that nutbag is in the far end of things but a few here have really lost it. It's cute watching these legal crusaders fighting this battle on a free PSU site. Surely that change to the judicial system is going to be here any day now!!!

Someone like wensilver at least is asking the tough questions in the real world. She is the exception to most here. Hell Barry is pissed at the BoT and is an arrogant prick, but at least he is trying to make a difference. Most of the other ones want to argue about what MM saw or said still.

I guess I disagree with you that only SOME have legit concerns.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I guess I disagree with you that only SOME have legit concerns.

Fair enough.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You have absolutely no idea about my views but you have made my point Dr Lajolla. it really is interesting. On most subjects you are reasonably rational. On this issue absolutely none. Makes me wonder?
. Not about JS but about your background. Almost like someone close has experienced this stuff. No comment necessary.

Thanks for your insight there. When people take normal behaviors of victims (not normal to most) like staying in contact with the abuser and say it's proof of something, I simply raise the BS flag and some people don't like hearing it. Funny how many people who think Jerry is in the right place get upset by anyone not crying for his new trial. No worries rose, attacking me only shows how afraid some are to hear the truth I guess or that they simply cannot stand hearing that Jerry was a monster. Best of luck on your reform battles and Jerry's new trial since maybe you need more assurance of what that man is.

 

[Mixolydian]

Thanks for your insight there. When people take normal behaviors of victims (not normal to most) like staying in contact with the abuser and say it's proof of something, I simply raise the BS flag and some people don't like hearing it. Funny how many people who think Jerry is in the right place get upset by anyone not crying for his new trial. No worries rose, attacking me only shows how afraid some are to hear the truth I guess or that they simply cannot stand hearing that Jerry was a monster. Best of luck on your reform battles and Jerry's new trial since maybe you need more assurance of what that man is.

Think about laying off the bottle or whatever causes you to go off on these soapbox rants.

You act like your ad nauseum proclamations that pedophilia is an awful thing and the monster is behind bars is lost on all but a few here. You interject that into just about every post, whether the topic is how the scandal came home to roost on PSU (shocking that aspect would get discussed on a PSU message board 5 years later, when all that has happened is dropped charges and no trials???), whether the topic is about questionable "victims" in this case who received paychecks from PSU under very questionable terms (of which there are several at least, mostly outside the trial itself) and yes whether parts of Sandusky's trial were troubling to the cause of due process whether people think he was guilty of something (as I do) or not.

You act as if you are advancing some significant cause "here"? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Maybe the part you don't get is that all that due process crap was put into the Constitution for people like Sandusky. A lot of people may disagree, but we don't get to assign rights to people based on whether we like or don't like them or their behavior. Prosecution witnesses don't get to commit perjury on the stand because the defendant is accused of really bad stuff. You don't allow testimony from witnesses who can't be cross-examined.

When a person is found guilty, it should be because the evidence says so. Not because the prosecution has to engage in shenanigans to win its case. that goes for Sandusky, and it goes for you and members of your family should they ever find themselves as a defendant in a courtroom.

People saying things here have turned opinions into facts. Jerry was read his rights. Jerry had his representation in court that he chose and paid for. Not many in prison have that luxury. He had a jury of his peers convict him on 45 counts. Not liking the outcome of a trial doesn't make the trial null and void. 8 of his own victims said he did this and even more would testify at his next trial. Sorry but there are actually real people working on real cases where really innocent people are in prison.....this isn't one IMO.

Notice the Paterno's are crying foul over his trial. One being a lawyer. There is no perfect trial or judicial system, but I think they got this one right. Half of the crap here is recycled from his new lawyers and JZ. Sorry if neither one has me convinced that an awful travesty has occurred. If he gets a new trial and is convicted again, the system isn't fixed.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Think about laying off the bottle or whatever causes you to go off on these soapbox rants.

You act like your ad nauseum proclamations that pedophilia is an awful thing and the monster is behind bars is lost on all but a few here. You interject that into just about every post, whether the topic is how the scandal came home to roost on PSU (shocking that aspect would get discussed on a PSU message board 5 years later, when all that has happened is dropped charges and no trials???), whether the topic is about questionable "victims" in this case who received paychecks from PSU under very questionable terms (of which there are several at least, mostly outside the trial itself) and yes whether parts of Sandusky's trial were troubling to the cause of due process whether people think he was guilty of something (as I do) or not.

You act as if you are advancing some significant cause "here"? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Hey black pot....hello!!! You just stick your fingers in your ears and call me a troll. That seems to be your advanced way of handling a different opinion. Spare me your lecture.

Funny thing is you are talking about CSS and trials that have not occurred yet. Too bad I actually agree with you there, but somehow you equate Jerry's trial to their legal battle. One trial has occurred and the other may not still. At least try and understand what is being discussed. I'm not crapping on them or Joe, sorry you made that stupid leap. Wow are you so entrenched in this you don't read what is even typed, just keep yelling troll I guess.

 

[Mixolydian]

Hey black pot....hello!!! You just stick your fingers in your ears and call me a troll. That seems to be your advanced way of handling a different opinion. Spare me your lecture.

I never called you a troll and don't think you are one, at least not by my definition. You can't decipher the difference.