FWIW, the front page of The Daily Collegian had an article about KJ being named the Steelers WR coach that very Friday. It was known.
Ray Blehar....MM caught in lie?
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Somewhat like Pinocchio's nose JE's role in this thing grows and grows. She wrote that the GJ was "eager" to indict based on a presentment they had never seen. Additionally, curious why the Howard Stern's poison email was sent to Centre County DA? Any connection there?
Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you insinuating that the REAL 2001 Victim 2 has come forward and said nothing bad happened? Was ALSO paid off to keep quiet? And it's not AM?
I find that hard to believe
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I agree. I'm not trying to excuse his dishonesty. I'm just trying to figure out the most reasonable explanation.
He's going to remember who was there and who wasn't.
I don't think he'd interject himself into all this if given a choice. But I admittedly don't know what the explanation is for MM's email.
I just find it hard to believe they filed a report on someone like Jerry and simply forgot it....even years later. Doesn't mean it is impossible, just I have a hard time buying it and even more so with what they were charged with.
What you deem credible only flies here, sorry to burst your bubble. Ray in this same thread states there is no victim 2 that is known, but you gloss over that? Maybe you should stop trying to read minds because you are simply awful at it.
Not to mention I didn't call anyone here a Joebot in this thread. You honestly can tell the difference between handles or have such a simple mind that you think anyone not sharing your opinion is obviously the same person. When you are that inaccurate in your own posts, it kind of hard to take you seriously. Honestly...I have actually butt headed heads with GMJ as we differ on some things, but he can actually keep in cordial with me....unlike many others here. That black pot is surely big now...isn't it.
This isn't about one individual or another being "right." One thing I know I'm "right" about, is that this case has too many pieces that don't fit.
Well, from what Ray is insinuating now, if I read his post correctly, is that the AM incident DID happen in 2002. That's why he got $7million dollars instead of $3 million.
The McQueary incident that happened in 2001 involved an incident where nothing bad happened, and the "unknown" 2001 kid was paid millions for some reason (I can guess why) to keep his mouth shut. Hence, a pretty forgettable incident.
To be clear, I have a hard time believing this. If AM isn't the McQueary kid, I'd be shocked.
I thought JS at one time said it was AM, and he called him to tell him somebody at PSU wanted to speak to him.
All the lawyers got creative to fashion stories of abuse after the reported MM incident. They knew it would play for more money if the case went to a jury. In this case, you can't list all the liars without a scorecard.
LOL, all testimony should be labled, BM or AM. Before or after the check was cashed.
I don't agree with his take, but there's no way she would be okay with him commenting on it.
There's no way to know which direction things could go if your star witness starts talking to the press.
Why would it be so important to Eshbach that misrepresentations by the media not be corrected? I cannot think of any other case where someone from law enforcement did not come out and publicly say something to the effect of things that are being reported are simply not true.
Think about it. There were physical threats made to people-- McQueary included, over these lies-- I'm not going to honor the state's version of doublespeak any longer-- and Jonelle's response is to tell him to deal with it, my narrative is more important than your physical safety. What a four-letter word she is.
Mr Blehar hasn't been right about everything has he?
Yeah, he may have been driving around Pennsylvania with a big butterfly net hoping to grab more kids to bring back to Jerry, because football.
You stupid f***.
Two things:
1) If she doesn't want the truth to come out, that speaks volumes, both about her integrity and the strength of her case.
2) It really wasn't up to her whether MM spoke to the media or not. As a GJ witness, he is totally free to talk to whoever he wants. The only way she could stop him from speaking up is if she had something that she was holding over his head, or if she did an excellent job of selling the "We need your help to put this bad guy away, even if it means lying" pitch to him.
Agree with you. That said, no way this should be just swept under the carpet. But, you are right. It will be.
As I stated in a post above ...
That does not mean Mike would have known Kenny would visit the Paterno house that night (if he did visit) back in 2001, but especially given that this email is from 2011, about an incident thought to be from 2002, how in the world could Kenny's visit play into whether Joe was home or out-of-town?
Ray's got a few problems:
1) He's committed & doubled down on a few theories. Which I would get into here, but specifically, V2 is unknown as one. The ONLY reason he believes this is because Ziegler outed V2. Then Zig provided emails to show Ray believed AM=V2, and passed info to Zig about it. To get off the hook, Ray's doubled down that V2 is unknown. Just one example.
2) He doesn't fact-check, vet, or run any of his theories by anyone before posing. Example1: The Janitor Bombshell ('nuff said about that). Example2: Earlier in this thread he claimed to have "vetted" an item in Gillum's book by emailing Gillum for confirmation. (WHAT???)
3) Ray times these things like a PR professional - he's going to be at the Michigan game & wants to be recognized as a celebrity at the tailgate scene & at the game.
4) He's in his self-imposed echo chamber. If you disagree with him twice, he blocks you, puts you on ignore, etc... Most all the ZigBots (who are 95% on Ray's side are on ignore). So are those of the rest who think we know who V2 is at this point, or at least anyone who expresses that view. So he's been looking at this whole thing and never seeing any dissenting opinions/explanations for years.... so of course he thinks he's on the right track.
Ray - you can't hear me but:
- Where's the FEDs investigation?
- What's the provenance of the Erickson Notes?
- What are the redacted portions of those notes?
More likely, they intended to file a report... but kept putting it off for a day, another day, another day. (Because it was uncomfortable, awkward). Then eventually, they realized a month had passed, it was more awkward. But they still kept it on the todo list. Then 3 months pass... They gulp & file it - too late now! Cross their fingers and hope it goes away & never comes back ... but still, keep a special file.
We need the response from MM to JE after she tells him to shut up and stick to the script. Probably went something like this:
"This is because of my penis pictures, isn't it? Or is it the sports gambling? Either way, this sucks."
"This is because of my penis pictures, isn't it? Or is it the sports gambling? Either way, this sucks."
I mean --- I'm pretty sure (not 100% admittedly) that the story as regards Victim 2 in the GJP is directionally correct. Directional in terms of: "Sandusky was in the Lasch building shower with a kid, MM saw something (who knows what precisely), JoePa, Schultz and Curley eventually find out via MM, Schultz and Curley eventually decide to do nothing about as regards Sandusky."
Any damn person working in the OAG should know though --- the story should be down to the detail, as correct as possible.
I'm not ready to go down a conspiracy route, but Eshbach actually putting in writing that there are inaccuracies in the GJP --- she's a total ding-bat. And, yes, probably a "the ends justify the means" ambitiuous-about-my-career type of ding-bat.
I can't stand folk like that.
Joe never disputed his testimony in the months following the leak. Why wouldn’t he if it was wrong or if it was misunderstood due to emphasis?
This is where the discussion should focus and should have been focused from day one. And I would add that a very bright light needs to be pointed at the OGBOT. Had Penn State defended itself and its people, or at least called for due process, none of this would have ever happened.
Because he was dying of cancer? You do realize we're only talking two months here, at most, between the leak and his death.
Don't have time to look up the specifics, but he DID dispute the interpretation of it, and was advised by the AG's Office, possibly Eshbach, to be quiet. Wrote a letter that was disclosed by Sue after he died that he was being misinterpreted. Maybe I'll look it up later.
Why do you guys respond to these Penn Jive perinium? They're obviously trolling for responses.
Oh so he wrote a letter. LOL. Joe is getting hammered by everyone but decides to keep quiet because Eshbach asked nicely. LOL.
Because he never thought of himself as part of the issue.
1. McQ came to his house and told him what he saw Or thought he saw.
2. Joe referenced the University policy manual in what to do in situations like this. It told him to contact his supervisor. Which he did. Then he stepped away from it. Like he is supposed to have done.
3. He then asked McQ a few weeks later if he was OK. McQ Never said said he wasn't.
4. The shit hit the fan with a few "erroneous" pages being leaked from the GJP of a few months earlier. As far as Joe knew he did everything he was supposed to and allowed to do and it was someone else's problem. Jerry did not work for him or the University.
You keep making the same mistake maxxedout made-you assume that Joe was an integral part of the Jerry scandal. He wasn't. He was simply a tertiary entity and that is what he himself thought. It was others who made Joe the focal point.
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Maybe you can ask him what he means by that, because I think he has me on Ignore.
If THIS is his theory, I would like more of an explanation. That's really out there. He does great work, but for some strange reason, he refuses to follow logic wrt Victim 2.
One thing that you can bet the ranch on......Ira, Surma, Peetz, Frazier, Suhey etc. DID NOT want due process. As it has been aptly stated, "What Board of Trustees would pay 8.5 million to have its universities brains blown out?"
MSU BOT commissioned a report and it is remaining an internal matter. The assassination of JVP,PSU and its administrators was arranged and executed with the full cooperation and participation of its Trustees.
By this time, Joe was dying a$$hole. He thought he was doing the right thing and being cooperative. But he knew he was dying, and wanted to make sure the record some day was as clear as he could make it under the horrible condition he was living with.
You must be a real jerk in real life.
HAAAA! You just made me realize we paid AM and Shubin only $1.5 million dollars less than Freeh and his entire Firm!!! That's just brain dead crazy!!!!!
Nothing to see here folks.
Unfortunately, I think you make an important point. The skeletons in Mike's own closet gave JE the leverage to float the false narrative we have today. But we shouldn't get lost in the weeds and overlook the big picture. Why did Penn State allow itself to be used like this?
More grasping at straws. I wonder how long this useless thread will continue? At least it
gives the cult members something to do.
