Regarding the snub, the truth of the matter is...

[kgilbert78]

We can agree to disagree on the comparisons between sports. I don't think they're 100% right either, BTW. Because Seattle managed to win the worst division in history a few years ago, they get a home game at 7-9? Really? Ultimately, it needs to be 8, with 5 automatic bids and 3 at-large with early rounds at home stadiums. But we're not there yet.

I'd go with the five Power 5 champs, then the "Group of Five" top team (likely Western Michigan) and then two at large teams. It doesn't hurt in an eight team playoff to give one slot to the Group of Five. Look what Boise State, for one, did with their chance back in the day. Americans like underdogs.

This may be the year that causes a re-evaluation.

 

[kgilbert78]

6 months ago I never would have imagined there'd be 4 deserving B1G teams either.

True. Who did?? If anyone thought that there would be multiple teams from one conference, everyone thought it would be the SEC.

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

I'd go with the five Power 5 champs, then the "Group of Five" top team (likely Western Michigan) and then two at large teams. It doesn't hurt in an eight team playoff to give one slot to the Group of Five. Look what Boise State, for one, did with their chance back in the day. Americans like underdogs.

This may be the year that causes a re-evaluation.

I could be on board with that.

 

[Blueblood4eva]

Joe from Brooklyn had the right idea, as usual. You are either getting better or worse. You never stay the same. The Committee should take that advice into consideration when splitting hairs. Wait till next year Michigan!

 

[osu627]

Well we are better than Ohio state because we played that game on the field. It isn't opinion it's fact. Are we one of the top four? That is opinion.

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way. you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football). you got OSU on a back to back away night game (ABC primetime), with your white-out - and your bye week coming into it. everyone knows this. it's why you're on the outside looking in.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I absolutely believe that conference title games are only about TV money, as they're constructed today. Even discounting Ohio State and Penn State being ineligible, Wisconsin was still the 4th best team in the conference in 2012 (if you count OSU and PSU, they were 6th). But, because they got hot for one game, they're the Big Ten Champs for the year. In what world does that make sense?

Do I believe Michigan is more worthy than Penn State? I think it's worth the conversation. And I think there's a lot of selective criteria here being used to boost Penn State (as, head to head seems to matter against Ohio State, but not matter against Michigan).

And you can't compare to the NFL or MLB or NBA or any pro sport when looking at this. The NCAA basketball tournament uses a selection committee that determines who gets at large bids. The FCS level uses a selection committee to determine who gets at large bids. Essentially, the CFP is 4 at large bids being determined by a selection committee.

You really are a phucking moron - PSU has the best record in B1G Conference Play, 8-1, playing in the hardest Division in all of college football. PSU is in FIRST PLACE in the Conference Standings - scUM is tied for third in overall standings - yet you attempt to compare PSU to a Wisconsin team that had the 6th best Conference record in 2012 and went to B1G Championship Game despite not winning their own Division because daO$U and PSU were ineligible (both teams were in Wisconsin's Division because it predated the current East / West Division setup - was the old Leaders / Legends setup)??? How do you figure PSU posting the absolute best Conference record and winning the B1G East Division Championship (while scUM finished 3rd in East Division) is remotely comparable to Wisconsin not winning any Division on the field of play, having the 6th best record in Conference play and only going to CCG because two teams who finished in front of them in their Division were declared ineligible to go to CCG by b1g front-office??? Only a typical shizhole homer douche could proffer this garbage as an analogous comparison to PSU winning the B1G East Division Championship this year with the absolute best record in B1G East Division and Conference play overall. It's a good thing you aren't biased when it comes to the topic of PSU and the traditional b1g shizhole or anything.....LMFAO!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way. you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football). you got OSU on a back to back away night game (ABC primetime), with your white-out - and your bye week coming into it. everyone knows this. it's why you're on the outside looking in.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

Kind of like your flukey win on Saturday as you certainly didn't dominate anything, but had a flukey pick 6 keep you in the game? Remind me again, did VT rip off 8 straight to close out the year in 2014? Oh...they didn't. Apples to peanuts there I guess.

 

[osu627]

Kind of like your flukey win on Saturday? Remind me again, did VT rip off 8 straight to close out the year in 2014? Oh...they didn't. Apples to peanuts there I guess.

look, you're on the outside looking in. there's a reason. re: Mich - yes, it was flukey that our kicker who was 14/14 inside 40 this season missed a 37 & 20 that allowed (gifted) Mich an OT chance. I think we faired slightly better than you guys did vs Mich. the point is - you soundly stated you're better than OSU... you're not.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

look, you're on the outside looking in. there's a reason. re: Mich - yes, it was flukey that our kicker who was 14/14 inside 40 this season missed a 37 & 20 that allowed (gifted) Mich an OT chance. I think we faired slightly better than you guys did vs Mich. the point is - you soundly stated you're better than OSU... you're not.

Odd I heard Eddie George just yesterday say it would be a toss up today between OSU and PSU. He also stated you are at #2 because of Pitt and I get that....but we beat you and it wasn't early on. You have no passing game at all and the PSU DL ate your OL's lunch. If not for Samuels flukey long run, you had about 2 YPC. So now while you can try and act like you're better right now, you're not. There is only one reason you are ahead of us...September which is fine, but it doesn't mean you are a better team today. Could OSU beat PSU..certainly, but the same can be said for PSU as it already happened.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Kind of like your flukey win on Saturday as you certainly didn't dominate anything, but had a flukey pick 6 keep you in the game? Remind me again, did VT rip off 8 straight to close out the year in 2014? Oh...they didn't. Apples to peanuts there I guess.

Are you really surprised? The b1g shizhole negated our win on the field of play in 2014 via outright cheating....now they're negating our win this year, B1G East Division Championship and potential Conference Championship via double-standard typically biased hypocritical b1g shizhole poor-loser bull$hit....and this is shocking to you???

 

[kgilbert78]

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

While possible, do realize that PSU is also very young, with many of the seniors being kids who "ran on". Should be a good game--and I do not discount tOSU's strength at home.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I do think there's a bias there. You can choose to look the other way if you like, which doesn't surprise me since you and I haven't agreed on anything regarding the scandal situation.

if there was bias how did Bill Obrien win both in 2012? Why have Penn State players won offensive and defensive player of the year awards 3 times second only to Ohio State?

 

[palmettolion]

So to recap the OSU vs. PSU game.

Blocked kick by OSU.... great special team play
Botched long snap on PSU for an OSU safety....great special team play
PSU defense shutting out OSU offense for the 4th quarter........FLUKE
Blocked OSU kick returned for a PSU touchdown....FLUKE

 

[Obliviax]

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way. you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football). you got OSU on a back to back away night game (ABC primetime), with your white-out - and your bye week coming into it. everyone knows this. it's why you're on the outside looking in.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

So tOSu played two overtime games and won them both...they would also, then, be considered flukes. At the end of that day, tOSU lost and is not in the running to win the B1G. These are facts.

 

[BoulderFish]

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way.

LOL! This is the dumbest logic I've heard yet. Congrats!

you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football).

LOL! Way to crank up your stupidity! Flukey? Only those who know little/nothing about football and/or those applying a bias think Penn State's win was fluky. A "fluky" win in when you win based on something unusual that you didn't control (i.e bad calls, unforced errors by the opposing team, etc.). That's not what happened that night. Penn State forced Ohio State's hand, and Ohio State couldn't handle it and got beat. Keep calling it "fluky" though if that makes you feel better though. But we know that you know you're wrong.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

They were that night. But then VT went on to lose games throughout the season. So, ultimately VT proved to be not a better team than Ohio State.

Comparing VT in 2014 to Penn State this year again illustrates your ignorance/stupidity. Unlike VT, Penn State has done nothing but continue down it's path of beating everyone who gets in their way. Assuming they add a win over the #6 team this weekend, Penn State will have proven that they really are the team that beat Ohio State this season. In other words, to any objective person, proven that they really are better than Ohio State.

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

You really are a phucking moron - PSU has the best record in B1G Conference Play, 8-1, playing in the hardest Division in all of college football. PSU is in FIRST PLACE in the Conference Standings - scUM is tied for third in overall standings - yet you attempt to compare PSU to a Wisconsin team that had the 6th best Conference record in 2012 and went to B1G Championship Game despite not winning their own Division because daO$U and PSU were ineligible (both teams were in Wisconsin's Division because it predated the current East / West Division setup - was the old Leaders / Legends setup)??? How do you figure PSU posting the absolute best Conference record and winning the B1G East Division Championship (while scUM finished 3rd in East Division) is remotely comparable to Wisconsin not winning any Division on the field of play, having the 6th best record in Conference play and only going to CCG because two teams who finished in front of them in their Division were declared ineligible to go to CCG by b1g front-office??? Only a typical shizhole homer douche could proffer this garbage as an analogous comparison to PSU winning the B1G East Division Championship this year with the absolute best record in B1G East Division and Conference play overall. It's a good thing you aren't biased when it comes to the topic of PSU and the traditional b1g shizhole or anything.....LMFAO!

This might help if you want to have a real conversation: http://www.educationcorner.com/reading-comprehension.html

Try and apply those strategies and you'll see that I was not comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State in any way. I was making a general statement that conference championship games are not designed to reward the best teams. If I were making a comparison, the analogous team this year would not be Penn State, it would be Wisconsin (again). Wisconsin is already, at best, the 3rd best team in the Big Ten, as they have played and lost to Ohio State and Michigan. Yet they're getting an opportunity to win the conference.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

This might help if you want to have a real conversation: http://www.educationcorner.com/reading-comprehension.html

Try and apply those strategies and you'll see that I was not comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State in any way. I was making a general statement that conference championship games are not designed to reward the best teams. If I were making a comparison, the analogous team this year would not be Penn State, it would be Wisconsin (again). Wisconsin is already, at best, the 3rd best team in the Big Ten, as they have played and lost to Ohio State and Michigan. Yet they're getting an opportunity to win the conference.

That's the way Playoffs work in all sports with Divisions inside of Conferences sparky - you b1g shizhole losers are getting more pathetic by the moment.

 

[pierremc]

look, you're on the outside looking in. there's a reason. re: Mich - yes, it was flukey that our kicker who was 14/14 inside 40 this season missed a 37 & 20 that allowed (gifted) Mich an OT chance. I think we faired slightly better than you guys did vs Mich. the point is - you soundly stated you're better than OSU... you're not.

You lose credibility when you call your loss to PSU fluky, but cannot admit that Michigan was the better team last Saturday, yet OSU won due to several fluky events and calls.

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

That's the way Playoffs work in all sports with Divisions inside of Conferences sparky - you b1g shizhole losers are getting more pathetic by the moment.

Sure, try to change the argument in the middle, a sure sign of the rock solid base you're arguing from.

And again...that doesn't make them right to do it that way. Not if you want the best teams playing for the championship of your sport. The 7-9 Seahawks should not have made the playoffs ahead of the 10-6 Bucs or 10-6 Giants, let alone gotten a home game for winning a bad division.

 

[getmyjive11]

For an 8 team playoffs, I would like to see the P5 champions get an auto-bid, the highest ranked (by the selection committee) G5/Ind team get a bid and then two at-larges (again, selected by the selection committee). There would be one caveat though... all teams must have 10 wins in order to qualify for the playoffs. Conference championships can count as one of the wins.

 

[Newlionfan]

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way. you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football). you got OSU on a back to back away night game (ABC primetime), with your white-out - and your bye week coming into it. everyone knows this. it's why you're on the outside looking in.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

Go back to your own site, tool! We are sick and tired of a bunch of phucknuts bothering us with their whiny explanations as to why they are the best POS out there! You should have lost to MSU and you should have lost to UM ----- Michigan just happened to suck more than OSU last Saturday!

 

[Newlionfan]

look, you're on the outside looking in. there's a reason. re: Mich - yes, it was flukey that our kicker who was 14/14 inside 40 this season missed a 37 & 20 that allowed (gifted) Mich an OT chance. I think we faired slightly better than you guys did vs Mich. the point is - you soundly stated you're better than OSU... you're not.

Phuck you nutless!

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

So to recap the OSU vs. PSU game.

Blocked kick by OSU.... great special team play
Botched long snap on PSU for an OSU safety....great special team play
PSU defense shutting out OSU offense for the LAST 25:10 OF THE GAME........FLUKE
Blocked OSU kick returned for a PSU touchdown....FLUKE

I modified your response in RED

 

[Newlionfan]

This might help if you want to have a real conversation: http://www.educationcorner.com/reading-comprehension.html

Try and apply those strategies and you'll see that I was not comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State in any way. I was making a general statement that conference championship games are not designed to reward the best teams. If I were making a comparison, the analogous team this year would not be Penn State, it would be Wisconsin (again). Wisconsin is already, at best, the 3rd best team in the Big Ten, as they have played and lost to Ohio State and Michigan. Yet they're getting an opportunity to win the conference.[/QUOTE

Sure, try to change the argument in the middle, a sure sign of the rock solid base you're arguing from.

And again...that doesn't make them right to do it that way. Not if you want the best teams playing for the championship of your sport. The 7-9 Seahawks should not have made the playoffs ahead of the 10-6 Bucs or 10-6 Giants, let alone gotten a home game for winning a bad division.

Sounds like you are up for a better job bucknut, NFL mastermind! Call them up and tell them your new plan for fixing the NFL! Dumbest of a$$es!

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

Looking at your last few posts, you may want to look into some anger management classes.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Sure, try to change the argument in the middle, a sure sign of the rock solid base you're arguing from.

And again...that doesn't make them right to do it that way. Not if you want the best teams playing for the championship of your sport. The 7-9 Seahawks should not have made the playoffs ahead of the 10-6 Bucs or 10-6 Giants, let alone gotten a home game for winning a bad division.

Huh? More of your drivel - I did not change the OBJECTIVE METHODOLOGY the B1G Conference has established for determining their DIVISION and CONFERENCE Champions. You are patently full of $hit that Wisconsin's representation of a Division in 2012 that does not even exist anymore as the 3rd place team in that Division and the 6th best record in Conference play, because the top 2 team's in the division were ruled ineligible by the b1g front-office, is anywhere remotely analogous to PSU representing the B1G East Division as its Champion with the absolute BEST RECORD IN CONFERENCE PLAY! Completely and unequivocally full of $hit as per usual.

 

[palmettolion]

I modified your response in RED

Thank you sir, I think I fluked up my fluking response.

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

Huh? More of your drivel - I did not change the OBJECTIVE METHODOLOGY the B1G Conference has established for determining their DIVISION and CONFERENCE Champions. You are patently full of $hit that Wisconsin's representation of a Division in 2012 that does not even exist anymore as the 3rd place team in that Division and the 6th best record in Conference play, because the top 2 team's in the division were ruled ineligible by the b1g front-office, is anywhere remotely analogous to PSU representing the B1G East Division as its Champion with the absolute BEST RECORD IN CONFERENCE PLAY! Completely and unequivocally full of $hit as per usual.

You changed your argument. Here:

You really are a phucking moron - PSU has the best record in B1G Conference Play, 8-1, playing in the hardest Division in all of college football. PSU is in FIRST PLACE in the Conference Standings - scUM is tied for third in overall standings - yet you attempt to compare PSU to a Wisconsin team that had the 6th best Conference record in 2012 and went to B1G Championship Game despite not winning their own Division because daO$U and PSU were ineligible (both teams were in Wisconsin's Division because it predated the current East / West Division setup - was the old Leaders / Legends setup)??? How do you figure PSU posting the absolute best Conference record and winning the B1G East Division Championship (while scUM finished 3rd in East Division) is remotely comparable to Wisconsin not winning any Division on the field of play, having the 6th best record in Conference play and only going to CCG because two teams who finished in front of them in their Division were declared ineligible to go to CCG by b1g front-office??? Only a typical shizhole homer douche could proffer this garbage as an analogous comparison to PSU winning the B1G East Division Championship this year with the absolute best record in B1G East Division and Conference play overall. It's a good thing you aren't biased when it comes to the topic of PSU and the traditional b1g shizhole or anything.....LMFAO!

This is all about how I'm a "shizhole homer douche" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. When I pointed that out, you decided that your argument wasn't that at all, it was that every other league uses division winners to make the playoffs. But then, in your latest post, again tell me I'm full of "$hit" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. Which I'm still not doing. See, I'll even highlight a few words you seem to have missed in your raving mania:

If I were making a comparison, the analogous team this year would not be Penn State, it would be Wisconsin (again). Wisconsin is already, at best, the 3rd best team in the Big Ten, as they have played and lost to Ohio State and Michigan. Yet they're getting an opportunity to win the conference.

 

[pandaczar12]

So to recap the OSU vs. PSU game.

Blocked kick by OSU.... great special team play
Botched long snap on PSU for an OSU safety....great special team play
PSU defense shutting out OSU offense for the 4th quarter........FLUKE
Blocked OSU kick returned for a PSU touchdown....FLUKE

I guess the buckeyes don’t see the irony.

2014 – Loss of replay feed, and missed expired play clock leads to 10 point swing in a game that ended regulation tied. OSU fan response: "We don't know how the game would have played out.” No mention of it being a fluke.

2016 – Penn State blocks a FG with 4:39 left in a game they have been dominating the second half. Ignoring that fact that regardless of making or missing the 45 yard field goal, PSU was getting the ball back and had all the momentum in what would have been a 1 score game. OSU fan response: “It was a fluke”. No mention of “we don’t know how the game would have played out.”

 

[Newlionfan]

You changed your argument. Here:

This is all about how I'm a "shizhole homer douche" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. When I pointed that out, you decided that your argument wasn't that at all, it was that every other league uses division winners to make the playoffs. But then, in your latest post, again tell me I'm full of "$hit" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. Which I'm still not doing. See, I'll even highlight a few words you seem to have missed in your raving mania:

You're still here???? Did your Mommy give you extra time on the 'puter this week cuz you ate all your vegetables on Thanksgiving? Even the broccoli? Such a good boy!!!

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

You're still here???? Did your Mommy give you extra time on the 'puter this week cuz you ate all your vegetables on Thanksgiving? Even the broccoli? Such a good boy!!!

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/61/Avoiding-the-Issue

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You changed your argument. Here:

This is all about how I'm a "shizhole homer douche" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. When I pointed that out, you decided that your argument wasn't that at all, it was that every other league uses division winners to make the playoffs. But then, in your latest post, again tell me I'm full of "$hit" for comparing 2012 Wisconsin to 2016 Penn State. Which I'm still not doing. See, I'll even highlight a few words you seem to have missed in your raving mania:

You did make a comparison you disingenuous jabroni - this entire thread is about PSU BEATING daO$U in B1G East Division Play, winning the B1G East Division Championship and representing the B1G East Division in the B1G Championship Game in 2016!!! You brought up Wisconsin 2012 as support for your argument against why the team with the absolute best Conference Record, who beat daO$U in head-to-head B1G East Division play, who won the B1G East Division Championship (the Division daO$U, the B1G and the Selection Committee has argued all year is the toughest division in CFB) and who, even if they win the B1G Championship Game and crowned B1G Champion, should not go to the playoffs. Had enough of your bull$hit jackwagon - you absolutely ARE the party who brought up Wisconsin 2012 and attempted to claim they are an analogous comparison to PSU 2016 despite not having the ABSOLUTE BEST CONFERENCE RECORD (they in fact had the 6th best Conference Record) and they DID NOT win their own Division (they finished 3rd in the Division behind PSU and daO$U, but the top 2 finishers were ruled ineligible for CCG participation by the B1G front-office)! The fact that Wisconsin won the B1G CCG speaks to how much stronger the Leaders Division was than the Legends Division in 2012 and nothing else - the Divisions 3rd Place team won the CCG. But you're absolutely full of $hit that you did not inject 2012 Wisconsin into this conversation and string to claim that they were an analogous example to PSU this year - go figure!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I guess the buckeyes don’t see the irony.

2014 – Loss of replay feed, and missed expired play clock leads to 10 point swing in a game that ended regulation tied. OSU fan response: "We don't know how the game would have played out.” No mention of it being a fluke.

2016 – Penn State blocks a FG with 4:39 left in a game they have been dominating the second half. Ignoring that fact that regardless of making or missing the 45 yard field goal, PSU was getting the ball back and had all the momentum in what would have been a 1 score game. OSU fan response: “It was a fluke”. No mention of “we don’t know how the game would have played out.”

Moreover, only suckeye shizhole losers could claim that an outcome is a "fluke" when they are outscored 17-0 in the final 23.5 minutes of the game!!! LMFAO, only pathetic losers could make the such claims - daO$U's OWN HEAD COACH ADMITTED AFTER THE GAME THAT HIS TEAM HAD NOT BEEN PHYSICALLY BEATEN IN THE TRENCHES LIKE THAT DURING HIS ENTIRE TENURE AT daO$U!!!

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

You did make a comparison you disingenuous jabroni - this entire thread is about PSU BEATING daO$U in B1G East Division Play, winning the B1G East Division Championship and representing the B1G East Division in the B1G Championship Game in 2016!!! You brought up Wisconsin 2012 as support for your argument against why the team with the absolute best Conference Record, who beat daO$U in head-to-head B1G East Division play, who won the B1G East Division Championship (the Division daO$U, the B1G and the Selection Committee has argued all year is the toughest division in CFB) and who, even if they win the B1G Championship Game and crowned B1G Champion, should not go to the playoffs. Had enough of your bull$hit jackwagon - you absolutely ARE the party who brought up Wisconsin 2012 and attempted to claim they are an analogous comparison to PSU 2016 despite not having the ABSOLUTE BEST CONFERENCE RECORD (they in fact had the 6th best Conference Record) and they DID NOT win their own Division (they finished 3rd in the Division behind PSU and daO$U, but the top 2 finishers were ruled ineligible for CCG participation by the B1G front-office)! The fact that Wisconsin won the B1G CCG speaks to how much stronger the Leaders Division was than the Legends Division in 2012 and nothing else - the Divisions 3rd Place team won the CCG. But you're absolutely full of $hit that you did not inject 2012 Wisconsin into this conversation and string to claim that they were an analogous example to PSU this year - go figure!

I did bring up 2012 Wisconsin, but not in comparison at all. Maybe spend a few more minutes reading and a few less minutes name calling. Here, try again:

I absolutely believe that conference title games are only about TV money, as they're constructed today. Even discounting Ohio State and Penn State being ineligible, Wisconsin was still the 4th best team in the conference in 2012 (if you count OSU and PSU, they were 6th). But, because they got hot for one game, they're the Big Ten Champs for the year. In what world does that make sense?

Point out where I compared 2012 Wisconsin to Penn State. I'll wait here. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I did bring up 2012 Wisconsin, but not in comparison at all. Maybe spend a few more minutes reading and a few less minutes name calling. Here, try again:

Point out where I compared 2012 Wisconsin to Penn State. I'll wait here. I won't be holding my breath.

Too funny, you keep saying "reading comprehension" when you're the fargging moron that lacks it! Go read what you wrote - you are making the claim that Wisconsin is an ILLEGITIMATE CONFERENCE CHAMPION to support your claim that PSU's Conference Championship would be equally meaningless you disingenuous, insufferable, putz!!! Let me point out to you again moron since you have LACKED THE READING COMPREHENSION skills to understand it the numerous other times I have posted it - Wisconsin was a Conference Champion with an asterisk as they DID NOT EVEN WIN THEIR DIVISION and IN FACT took 3rd in their Division and had only the 6th best overall record in the conference at 4-4, but went to the CCG because the 1st and 2nd Place teams in their Division, the "Leader's Division" were ruled ineligible to go to the CCG by the b1g front-office! So yes moron, Wisconsin was not the LEGITIMATE Leader's Champion or Conference Champion in 2012 and this was well-known to everyone......it is also completely NON-ANALOGOUS to PSU in 2016 given that they not only won the B1G East Division Championship, but they also amassed the best record in Conference Play, 8-1, in the entire B1G Conference in winning that Division Championship on the field of play! (PSU did not finish 3rd in their Division - the toughest in all of CFB - with the 6th best overall record in the league at 4-4).

Your claim that 2012 Wisconsin has anything remotely to do with 2016 PSU - let alone that PSU would be an illegitimate conference champion - is utter tripe and bull$hit and this ABSOLUTELY is why you brought up 2012 Wisconsin and INJECTED INTO THE STRING IN SUPPORT OF YOUR POSITION. IOW, 2012 Wisconsin is a complete BULL$HIT, strawman argument which you even now admit.....2012 Wisconsin has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 2016 PSU and 2012 Wisconsin in no way devalues that in 2016 PSU performed BETTER IN B1G CONFERENCE PLAY THAN ANY OTHER B1G TEAM INCLUDING daO$U YOU FARGGING JACK@SS! And when PSU wins the Conference Championship, it will do nothing but REINFORCE THIS FACT EVEN FURTHER as PSU would then be 10-1 in Conference play, would own a head-to-head win over daO$U, would own a B1G East Division Crown over daO$U & scUM and would own a B1G Championship Title over daO$U & scUM!!!

Now STFU with your weak bull$hit "reading comprehension" crap when you clearly lack not only this skill, but cognitive logic reasoning skills as well and go back to the shizhole loser-ville from whence you came!

 

[BuckeyeLegion]

Too funny, you keep saying "reading comprehension" when you're the fargging moron that lacks it! Go read what you wrote - you are making the claim that Wisconsin is an ILLEGITIMATE CONFERENCE CHAMPION to support your claim that PSU's Conference Championship would be equally meaningless you disingenuous, insufferable, putz!!! Let me point out to you again moron since you have LACKED THE READING COMPREHENSION skills to understand it the numerous other times I have posted it - Wisconsin was a Conference Champion with an asterisk as they DID NOT EVEN WIN THEIR DIVISION and IN FACT took 3rd in their Division and had only the 6th best overall record in the conference at 4-4, but went to the CCG because the 1st and 2nd Place teams in their Division, the "Leader's Division" were ruled ineligible to go to the CCG by the b1g front-office! So yes moron, Wisconsin was not the LEGITIMATE Leader's Champion or Conference Champion in 2012 and this was well-known to everyone......it is also completely NON-ANALOGOUS to PSU in 2016 given that they not only won the B1G East Division Championship, but they also amassed the best record in Conference Play, 8-1, in the entire B1G Conference in winning that Division Championship on the field of play! (PSU did not finish 3rd in their Division - the toughest in all of CFB - with the 6th best overall record in the league at 4-4). Your claim that 2012 Wisconsin has anything remotely to do with 2016 PSU - let alone that PSU would be an illegitimate conference champion - is utter tripe and bull$hit and this ABSOLUTELY is why you brought up 2012 Wisconsin and INJECTED INTO THE STRING IN SUPPORT OF YOUR POSITION. IOW, 2012 Wisconsin is a complete BULL$HIT, strawman argument which you even now admit.....2012 Wisconsin has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 2016 PSU and 2012 Wisconsin in no way devalues that in 2016 PSU performed BETTER IN B1G CONFERENCE PLAY THAN ANY OTHER B1G TEAM INCLUDING daO$U YOU FARGGING JACK@SS! And when PSU wins the Conference Championship, it will do nothing but REINFORCE THIS FACT EVEN FURTHER as PSU would then be 10-1 in Conference play, would own a head-to-head win over daO$U, would own a B1G East Division Crown over daO$U and would own a B1G Championship Title over daO$U!!!

Now STFU with your weak bull$hit "reading comprehension" crap when you clearly lack not only this skill, but cognitive logic reasoning skills as well and go back to the shizhole loser-ville from whence you came!

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, I got to where you called me a "disingenuous, insufferable, putz!!!" before I stopped reading. Why? Because that's all the farther I had to go before you proved you're reading what you want to read, and not what I'm saying.

2012 Wisconsin was brought up in response to questions about why there's a title game at all. There's a title game to make money, not to pit the best against the best and prove once and for all who the best team is that season. You say I bring it up to "support [my] claim that PSU's Conference Championship would be equally meaningless"...please quote my exact words where I made this claim.

Penn State would have won the conference and been a legitimate conference champion (just like 2012 Wisconsin) under the rules that all the schools agreed to play by. As I have already pointed out to you, this will be the third time so read slowly and carefully, the analogous team in 2016 to 2012 Wisconsin is...Wisconsin. Wisconsin would have finished in 4th place in the East (losing a tiebreaker to Michigan), but instead they get to go play for all the marbles because they happen to be geographically West and in the weaker division.

All that being said, you're either playing one hell of a character, or you probably need to be on some meds. If you're trying to make me angry or get a rise out of me, I assure you that you cannot. I'm going to consider our conversation concluded, barring an unexpected burst of punctuation and readability on behalf of your next post.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, I got to where you called me a "disingenuous, insufferable, putz!!!" before I stopped reading. Why? Because that's all the farther I had to go before you proved you're reading what you want to read, and not what I'm saying.

2012 Wisconsin was brought up in response to questions about why there's a title game at all. There's a title game to make money, not to pit the best against the best and prove once and for all who the best team is that season. You say I bring it up to "support [my] claim that PSU's Conference Championship would be equally meaningless"...please quote my exact words where I made this claim.

Penn State would have won the conference and been a legitimate conference champion (just like 2012 Wisconsin) under the rules that all the schools agreed to play by. As I have already pointed out to you, this will be the third time so read slowly and carefully, the analogous team in 2016 to 2012 Wisconsin is...Wisconsin. Wisconsin would have finished in 4th place in the East (losing a tiebreaker to Michigan), but instead they get to go play for all the marbles because they happen to be geographically West and in the weaker division.

All that being said, you're either playing one hell of a character, or you probably need to be on some meds. If you're trying to make me angry or get a rise out of me, I assure you that you cannot. I'm going to consider our conversation concluded, barring an unexpected burst of punctuation and readability on behalf of your next post.

More made up nonsense in support of his nonsensical argument from the moron:

...the analogous team in 2016 to 2012 Wisconsin is...Wisconsin. Wisconsin would have finished in 4th place in the East (losing a tiebreaker to Michigan), but instead they get to go play for all the marbles because they happen to be geographically West and in the weaker division.

Whaaaaaaa???? How is 2012 Wisconsin (a team which finished 3rd in its B1G Division, but went to CCG because the 1st and 2nd place teams in its Division were ruled ineligible by b1g front-office) remotely "analogous" to 2016 Wisconsin who earned their trip to the B1G CCG by winning the B1G West Division outright on the field of play with the best overall record in the B1G West Division at 7-2 (Iowa and UNL finished t2 in West at 6-3). IOW, 2016 Wisconsin B1G West Division Champion is not remotely "analogous" to 2012 Wisconsin which finished 3rd in their B1G Division, but went to the CCG by default as the 1st and 2nd place teams in their Division were barred from going to the CCG, but 2012 Wisconsin took 3rd outright in their B1G Division NOT 1st outright in their B1G Division like this year!?!? There you have it - you have been proven FACTUALLY FULL OF $HIT yet again AND guilty of making completely made-up, BULL$HIT arguments in support of your position yet again - go figure! LMFAO, what a freaking tool!!! Your "reading comprehension" of simple standings is completely broken and you're going to tell others about their "reading comprehension"? Again, LMFAO.....

 

[AWS1022]

you are not better than Ohio State.... if you were, the selection committee would see it that way. you won a flukey game. you played great (by your standards of scrappy football). you got OSU on a back to back away night game (ABC primetime), with your white-out - and your bye week coming into it. everyone knows this. it's why you're on the outside looking in.

was Va Tech a better team than Ohio State in '14? when they hung the only loss on OSU's record, as the Buckeyes rolled to the BCS National Title. the rhetorical answer is - NO - they weren't.

Ohio State has the youngest roster of any school in the Power 5... you will get smacked in Cbus next year.

You mean like your flukey win over MSU where you won it because Dantonio went for two? You know that team that PSU took to the woodshed and flat out embarrassed? Don't forget that fluke win. I guess we won that by our standards...45-12 vs OSU's higher standards of 17-16.

 

[AWS1022]

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, I got to where you called me a "disingenuous, insufferable, putz!!!" before I stopped reading. Why? Because that's all the farther I had to go before you proved you're reading what you want to read, and not what I'm saying.

2012 Wisconsin was brought up in response to questions about why there's a title game at all. There's a title game to make money, not to pit the best against the best and prove once and for all who the best team is that season. You say I bring it up to "support [my] claim that PSU's Conference Championship would be equally meaningless"...please quote my exact words where I made this claim.

Penn State would have won the conference and been a legitimate conference champion (just like 2012 Wisconsin) under the rules that all the schools agreed to play by. As I have already pointed out to you, this will be the third time so read slowly and carefully, the analogous team in 2016 to 2012 Wisconsin is...Wisconsin. Wisconsin would have finished in 4th place in the East (losing a tiebreaker to Michigan), but instead they get to go play for all the marbles because they happen to be geographically West and in the weaker division.

All that being said, you're either playing one hell of a character, or you probably need to be on some meds. If you're trying to make me angry or get a rise out of me, I assure you that you cannot. I'm going to consider our conversation concluded, barring an unexpected burst of punctuation and readability on behalf of your next post.

They do have a conference championship to prove who is the most deserving of the title...who did what they had to do throughout the season to claim the title of the champion. It's not always who people think is the best team, but it is the team that did what they had to do to get there. Every playoff or tournament has some weaknesses (all the way down to the way Little League baseball has their championship) and not all of them put the best teams in the finals, but they all recognize a division or conference champion except college football. Wild card teams in football can win the Super Bowl, but they don't get in over division winners.

 

[njlion]

I don't really mind not going to the playoffs, given the injury situation along the line and the likelihood of playing Bama. I'm perfectly happy with this team going to a major bowl, like the Rose or Orange or Cotton.

But that being said, it's the process that annoys me greatly. It smacks of once again realizing where we stand in the Big Ten, and it may as well suggest that we are still being penalized for JS.

That's what bugs me. Next year, we win all of our games, and we're in. But the other problems still remain, no matter what.

I know exactly what you mean the BiG is really the BIG 2 and then everybody else . Like Michigan and OSU are God's Gift to CFB !! Maybe we should treat them like the scene from "Wayne's World" " We're not Worthy"