Regarding the snub, the truth of the matter is...
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PSU beats Iowa by 27 points the week before they beat Michigan. PSU is playing at their best right now and showing it on the field. IF, there's that big word again, they beat Wisconsin I do think they get picked. I see why others might say different, but I think that would shake things up ( especially with a Washington loss, which i should add to the previous sentence.
I said nine points and was corrected because they weren't offensive points, this was about who's offense controlled the game to which I was saying osus did but was reprimanded for crediting then with points after the 25.10 mark in the second half so I discounted the blocked fg for a td. Pretty simple actually If you just read the previous replies. There were like 40 mph gusts and flurries which significantly slowed down both teams vs Msu. Good enough for you?
The reality is that CONFERENCE RESULTS ARE OBJECTIVE OUTCOMES from round-robin competition ON THE FIELD OF PLAY with defined rules for determining Division Champions in the event of a tie. The Conference Championship is also determined OBJECTIVELY ON THE FIELD OF PLAY. That is why Conference results are the most important criteria - they are OBJECTIVE RESULTS from equal opportunity to play the opponent. What the Selection Committee is doing is SUBJECTIVE BULL$HIT and not only is it SUBJECTIVE BULL$HIT, but the reasons they give for their selections change DEPENDING UPON CIRCUMSTANCE from week-to-week and year-to-year! Completely unprecedented that a team can lose 2 of it's last 3 games, finish 3rd in its Conference DIVISION and drop a grand total of two spots??? Complete BULL$HIT with ZERO justification or precedence and identifies the "system" for the joke it is which is about the farthest thing from a "true playoff", given its nullification of OBJECTIVE Conference Play Results, that one could possibly imagine!
Even with 2 chances you can not correctly answer a simple question. The answer isn't 9 nor is it 7.
Actually your offense scored ZERO points in the last 25:10. Your OL dominated the LOS so well that for some reason that's about all your coach could sputter about at halftime when interviewed by the sideline reporter. And your OL then collapsed in the second half once our BEST DLineman entered the game. You did notice the difference in the game once 90 joined the fray, right? Can you say 6 SACKS?
I think that the best advice that can be given to PSU if they win the CCG and still get snubbed by the play off committee is to use last years OSU team as an example.
Last year OSU got passed over not once but twice. Once by losing a game on a walk off FG in a monsoon to a MSU team that was only in that position due to the biggest fluke play in the past decade and again for the Rose Bowl for an Iowa team that had beaten absolutely nobody depriving the country of what would probably been an epic Rose Bowl between OSU and Stanford.
Their response is while the 2 teams that they were passed over for was losing their games by a combined 84-16 they went to their bowl and curb stomped ND. My advice to PSU is to beat Wisconsin , go to the RB and curb stomp whoever they play. Do that and they will get the respect that they will deserve.
Last year OSU got passed over not once but twice. Once by losing a game on a walk off FG in a monsoon to a MSU team that was only in that position due to the biggest fluke play in the past decade and again for the Rose Bowl for an Iowa team that had beaten absolutely nobody depriving the country of what would probably been an epic Rose Bowl between OSU and Stanford.
Their response is while the 2 teams that they were passed over for was losing their games by a combined 84-16 they went to their bowl and curb stomped ND. My advice to PSU is to beat Wisconsin , go to the RB and curb stomp whoever they play. Do that and they will get the respect that they will deserve.
its pretty simple, Michigan is the highest ranked 2 loss team right now, key words right now, and they should be. They beat both uw and psu, but after one wins this sat. They should be behind the winner of the big 10 champ.
You scored precisely ZERO in the last 23.5 minutes doodles......the same amount you scored the entire first quarter, so daO$U was held scoreless for 65% of the game, but they dominated offensively??? You daO$U douches are really whiny little bitches coming on here with this weak sauce after being beat fair-and-square (as even your coach admitted after the game saying that his OL had not been manhandled like that his entire tenure at daO$U) ON THE FIELD OF PLAY. Really pathetic, but highly typical of you traditional b1g shizhole losers!
If I can parse out any meaning from these run on sentences and random capitalization...let me ask you a question. If Iowa misses a field goal as time expires in Iowa City, Ohio State is going to Indianapolis on Saturday instead of Penn State, despite neither Ohio State nor Penn State being involved in that game or doing anything different. How does that objectively prove anything? When you have Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State who are all 1-1 against each other, how does that objectively prove anything on the field?
Do You get pleasure from that? I see it as they scored 7 points at the 25.10 mark, you must be a peach in real life. Split hairs all you want.
Either way we have 1 loss and you have 2. That's why, as Kenny powers would say, "You're ****in out"
Just for the fun of doing the math, Penn State was held scoreless for 73% of the game.
No, really not that "simple" dumb@ss as you can't point me to another team that lost once, let alone twice in three weeks, and was only dropped two spots!!! This system is a subjective POS joke and everybody knows it -- there is ZERO rhyme or reason as to why they drop one team 10 spots for losing, while not dropping another at all for losing and dropping them a grand total of two spots for losing twice in three weeks (with a bad win in-between)!!!
So what, all that proves is that it was a defensive-oriented game dumb@ss! Precisely who here said it was not a defense-dominated game??? The team that scores more points wins the game in football.....LMFAO at you whiny little bitch daO$U losers!
Haha. When initially asked how many points your offense scored, you responded by including a safety in your tally. Rather novel response. Were you in reading class with Cardale Jones?
Michigan could have dropped further after the Iowa loss as it was lopsided, but they would still have been above Wisconsin and PSU as they had fewer losses and had beaten both of those teams. Losing to OSU was in line with the rankings and not sure than a double OT loss to a #2 ranked team that could've gone Michigan's way with close fourth call was enough to drop then behind other 2 loss teams that they had beaten.
Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else, as I never claimed that Penn State didn't win, or didn't deserve to win that game.
It is that simple, I'd Michigan would have lost to osu by say hmmmm let's say 39, that seems to be a relevant number, they would have dropped a lot more than one or two spots. Now you can say it's subjective all you want but the Comittee said osu was a solid number 2 the week of the game, so a double ot game that Michigan outperformed osu for a lot of, would make the case to keep them relatively close to where they were before the game took place, seeing how they were considered a solid one loss team, they should absolutely be a strong if not the strongest 2 loss team
Sorry what I lack in book knowledge i make up for in street smarts. sorry to offend you professor
Nope. They finished 3d in the division. They get the citrus if lucky.
Let's be clear. The standings of this season, for eternity, will show that Michigan is behind Penn State. In the future people may well wonder what the **** happened to vault the lower team ahead of the higher team, into the playoffs. The conclusion they will reach is incompetence was involved.
I must admit that warrants a reluctant Like....and I sure as h€ll Ain't a professor.
None of it matters today or Saturday if everyone in already wins out IMO. There will be an uproar (who knows how big or small) that the best conference this year doesn't have it's champ at the party, but maybe they change the criteria or add in the conference championships AFTER they have been actually played. If the playoffs started today nobody could say anything about them, but conference champs are decided this weekend. We have NO IDEA on how much they will matter this year as there are humans making this decision. You are making an argument for something that hasn't occurred yet.
PSU could lose this game very easily and OSU then has head to head and better record over the BT champ. That is a much easier sell for the committee. That is why nobody is talking about Wisky who could also win the B!G, have a great year, and not get the nod. Now if Wisky does win and UW and Clemson slips...I think they should jump UM as they won the conference and beat another top 10 team where UM lost 2 of its last 3.
What happened is that corrupt "Boxing Promoter" types did what corrupt "Boxing Promoter" types "do" and have always done throughout college football history.....
It is gradually destroying interest in college football with the general public because they want a REAL PLAYOFF where outcomes are determined on the field just like every other NCAA sport....not determined by a bunch of corrupt @ssholes that have nothing to do with a single outcome on the ACTUAL FIELD OF PLAY! Making the "Selection Committee" more important, and giving them more "equity in the process", than the teams themselves (which is what you are doing when you negate the outcomes of Conference play and put second and third place finishers in front of the Champion who won it on the field via objective rules and outcomes) is just plain wrong - morally and otherwise. The system is clearly "bankrupt" when you give the "Selection Committee" more equity than the players themselves and the "Selection Committee" is a completely outside entity making completely subjective decisions that NEGATE the outcomes of the entire CONFERENCE SEASON!?!? What precisely is the point of Conference Season if its results can subjectively be utterly negated by a bunch of corrupt, highly-conflicted old @ssholes that have zero to do with the outcome of a single game???
Thanks for the rational response. I agree that Stanford - OSU Rose Bowl would have been a terrific game.
The difference is that I think most people more or less saw that Iowa was not an overly outstanding unbeaten team who had a loss coming at some point sooner or later, and that while MSU was very good and deserved to be where they were, they were an unlikely team to upset Bama.
This season, and with the exception of playing Bama, I would have a good deal of confidence that any of OSU, M, Wisconsin,and PSU would have a great shot at winning their games in either the playoff or in the bowl.
I think Bama will rise to the occasion again in the playoffs, while I think that even Clemson as well as the others in the running can be had by a B1G opponent. Not easily, and not a given, but it's also not a stretch to see those wins happening. I had no confidence in either MSU or Iowa winning their games last year.
Whatever hand the winner is dealt after Saturday will get the conversation going stronger than ever to expand the playoffs to at least 6 if not 8. That's a good thing, imo.
I'm getting greedy now, and pulling for at least 11 wins for PSU this season regardless. If we hit 11 on Saturday, my greed will grow by 1 more win.
25% of the teams that have won the Super Bowl since 2000 have been wildcard teams. So basically those teams are ones that came on late or struggled at some point only to get it together and win. In college now it doesn't matter if you win your division or when you are playing your best game, a group of people just look at some stats and come up with their criteria. Your loss in September counts more than your late wins or other teams late losses? Why even have conference titles, just do away with them....oh...but they have TV $$$'s tied to them. I love college football as much as anyone, but this moving criteria around each week is a joke. So Sunday is the FIRST time they can even weigh what the conference titles even mean,,,,,but the media has their 4 chosen?
When two teams are comparable you look at common opponents, head to head, overall record and conference record. UM loses them. See ya.
Wisconsin would have to pummel PSU to jump Mich if only one of Wash or Clemson lose. I cannot see Wisconsin getting in with loses to both Mich and OSU. Although Wisconsin would have beaten us, Mich can claim they have beaten us by more and beaten Wisconsin head to head. So Wisconsin would need a 40+ point victory to even make it a debate. If PSU wins, it will still be a challenge to jump Mich due to the head to head lose, but it is more nuanced as since we beat OSU while Michigan and Wisconsin did not. Does that added value + conference & division championship + win streak compared to Mich's late stumbles give enough to put PSU?
That is why nobody is talking about Wisky, but they still would have a conference title. We don't know how much that matters yet either.
Point is head to head isn't pushing us over OSU if it isn't pushing Mich over us.
PSU has better conf. record, better showings against common opponents (except Rutgers and MD), is equal on overall record, and loses head to head versus Mich.
OSU has better overall record, better showings against common opponents (except MSU), same conference record, but loses the head to head against PSU.
We only have head to head in our favor against OSU while against Mich we only have head to head against us. Thus, if you believe the committee is laughable for saying we aren't comparable then you have to believe it is because the head to head is the trump card because there isn't any other objective measure to put PSU over OSU, but if it is the trump card then Mich plays that on us. Can't have it both ways.
Imo, with a four-team playoff (far from an NFL-style tournament), the body of work is a more important factor than the trending strength of the team. However, the trend is still a factor and is important. Later losses should mean more of a negative than early losses followed by a significant upward trend.
But I agree that we are looking at a moving target, ala 1994 in our case.
This is why the four-team approach doesn't work. Need at least 8 teams to allow for the trending factors to come close to the entire season factor.
I am still enough of a traditionalist wrt college football that I do not want to see 3-losses national champs. 1 loss is almost expected. 2 could be a bit iffy, but if allowing for trends, 2 losses is acceptable.
Best team for the 20xx season.... still need to look at the whole season. The NFL season is still reasonably important, the NCAA hoops regular season far less so. In college football, the 12 weeks of possible elimination is a big part of the excitement.
The four team system is a joke...it's still just a popularity contest.
No. My argument rests on the fact that, today, Penn State is simply better than Ohio State.
Penn State beat Ohio State, head-to-head, on the field of play.
After that game, there was a reasonable possibility that the result of that game was one of those "any give saturday" kinda things. Penn State just pulled an upset, and isn't really better than Ohio State.
HOWEVER, a lot of season has played out since then, and Penn State has done nothing to support the notion that it was an "any given Saturday" thing. Penn State has destroyed everyone they've played since that night, including some common opponents with which Ohio State struggled (with < 2 weeks separation).
In other words, that night, Penn State sent a message that it was better than Ohio State. Most, including many of us, weren't sure if we believed it. But since then, Penn State has backed up that message.
Assuming Penn State passes it final test this weekend by beating the #6 team, at that point, even if you won't believe that Penn State is better, any reasonable person will have to agree that they're at least on the same level. And frankly, any reasonable and objective person that's watched both of our games since we played would say that Penn State is the better overall team.
So, yeah, two months ago, with the second youngest team in the NCAA, breaking in a new offense, and with an unusually depleted defense (50% of starters missing and playing scout team players that have never seen the depth chart at LB), we had a few rough games.
Since then, we've proven that those games were actually the ones not indicative of what this PSU team is.
We would probably beat Ohio State by 2+ TDs today.
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No they won't get the respect they deserve...that's the problem. There is very little reason PSU should not be a preseason top 5 team next year but I bet they're not even in the top 10...gotta make room for the usual suspects of Bama, OSU, Michigan, USC, Oklahoma, etc. and please don't say preseason rankings don't matter because they do. That's how quality wins are judged.
Did anyone mention how Colorado is f-in us again a la 1994 but in reverse manner? In 1994 a fluke hail Mary and Buffs beat Michigan which made our win against UM less attractive to pollsters. Also, Huskers beat highly ranked Buffs later and got all the credit from voters. This year, Buffs get pummeled by UM but win 10 games thereby giving UM better victory count against CFP top 25. Argghh..beat Washington and make ammends UC.
I totally disagree. If PSU takes care of business vs WISKY which I believe to be a better then 50/50 chance and curb stomps their RB opponent the way OSU curb stomped ND in last years bowl game they WILL get the respect that they will deserve. The only reason that they are not getting it now is the September losses. Follow up a RB convincing win with a good start next year, continue to take care of business, and they will be in the same position that OSU is in this year.
