the Sweet 16 happened in Dunn's sixth year. there is zero credibility in saying those were not his players.
The blame for things going wrong with Dunn was 75% Dunn and 25% Penn State.
Basketball REPORT: ND in talks with Shrewsberry
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The blame for things going wrong with Dunn was 75% Dunn and 25% Penn State.
After Dunn? Took us 20 more years to win a single NCAA tourney game.
that is correct. went to the Sweet 16 the year before the first 7-21. after the Sweet 16 he was left hanging with no contract into the beginning of the offseason. He basically did not every try to keep his job after that. a terrible situation on all sides. never should have gone that way. if they wanted to replace him they should've done it before it got to that point.
Parkhill left the program in better shape than when he took the job.
Dunn left the program in worse shape.
DeChellis left the program in worse shape.
Chambers left the program in better shape.
Shrews TBD.
And it was MS who lead the team to that in two years. Keep him. Pay him. He has had the best results in over 20 years. See what he can do to follow up.
I won't be around for another 20 years.
Yes Dechellis and Chambers did a tremendous job. 1 combined ncaa tourney appearance. 0 combined ncaa tourney wins. Great job.
Parkhill made the program better but got forced out at a bad time
you cant even make up the absurd things that have happened with this program
We have to keep Shrews. With him we can compete for Big Ten titles, without him we are a basement dweller.
i don't get the people who think Chambers did a good job. yes the talent was better but the results were worse than Dunn and DeChellis with one more year than either of them. Everyone wants to hang their hat on that canceled tournament when he went 11-9 in the conference and probably had a 6-seed.
A few things:
The AD doesn't own BJC. hoops is just a tenant. There are discussions about playing weeknight and student break games at Rec Hall, which PSU owns. Could save some money doing this.
Chambers would've been in the tournament but covid cancelled it. He was subsequently fired and we lost a bunch of the returning players before the Ferry year and again before Shrews 1st year like myreon Jones, brockington, PF who went to UMass and rained 3s on us, etc.
It sounds like PSU is offering Shrews more $ than ND. The issue is more about NIL, where Lubrano has made himself an issue stating that SWH is to spread $ to ALL teams. We need separate NILs for FB and hoops. Basketball club was looking into starting its own NIL and Clifford's NIL was a response to this situation.
We HAVE TO keep Shrews or we'll fall right back into the abyss. Obviously, if he leaves his son will follow and Booth probably will too. Shrews is about to land PSU some big-time recruits and transfers if he stays.
The AD doesn't own BJC. hoops is just a tenant. There are discussions about playing weeknight and student break games at Rec Hall, which PSU owns. Could save some money doing this.
Chambers would've been in the tournament but covid cancelled it. He was subsequently fired and we lost a bunch of the returning players before the Ferry year and again before Shrews 1st year like myreon Jones, brockington, PF who went to UMass and rained 3s on us, etc.
It sounds like PSU is offering Shrews more $ than ND. The issue is more about NIL, where Lubrano has made himself an issue stating that SWH is to spread $ to ALL teams. We need separate NILs for FB and hoops. Basketball club was looking into starting its own NIL and Clifford's NIL was a response to this situation.
We HAVE TO keep Shrews or we'll fall right back into the abyss. Obviously, if he leaves his son will follow and Booth probably will too. Shrews is about to land PSU some big-time recruits and transfers if he stays.
agree that we have to keep him. it will be unforgivable if PSU lets him leave after two seasons.
do not agree that Chambers was on the cusp of anything great. he might have gone one or two rounds into the dance but it wasn't like there was a lot on deck for the next year. we've seen the same pattern with every PSU coach who can manage anything good for a season. Including this one but he did it so quickly that he has to be retained
A little unfair as far as recognition for Chambers. He did win an NIT tournament and the 2019-2020 was a definite as far as the NCAA that year. That team was certainly capable of wins in the tourney. Unfortunately we will never know becasue of the tournament being cancelled. I still believe that he got screwed and he definitely had us headed in the right direction. That being said, I have been more than happy with the job Schrewsberry has been doing. I think we need to do whatever it takes to keep him.
This time is different because of the portal system. He did a great job recruiting top talent from smaller schools so there is hope he can repeat that success.
But two years is a pretty small sample. No way to know if he can consistently do so. But have little choice but to keep him as losing him now would be a terrible look.
Parkhill did not get forced out. He had enough and decided it was time to retire. He loved the X's and O's but hated the constant recruiting.
DeChellis also won an NIT and went to one NCAA. and he didn't belong in the Big Ten. I don't get how Chambers was so great by doing the exact same thing
It’s an interesting dilemma because, although he’d be going home to Indiana, he’d be leaving Big Ten country where there’s a much larger presence in the Hoosier state (Purdue). Don’t think there’s a wrong decision either way.
It is my understanding that DeChellis was not forced out. He chose to leave because the Navy job was much less stressful. I'm not sure whether he would have lasted many more years but as I have been told by people close to the situation, it was his decision. In fact if you remember, he had already secured the commitment of Gerry McNamara. He de-commited when DeChellis decided to leave. When Chambers came the cupboard was bare. He opened up recruiting in Philadelphia. That was something no other PSU coach had been able to do. His last team was defintiely his best... and we had high hope for the next season until he was forced to leave. We lost Myreon Jones, Jamari Wheeler, Trent Buttrick (who killed us the next season against UMass) and Brockington with him being forced to leave. Wheeler and Brockington had great senior years for Ohio State and Iowa State. Myreon Jones was also a solid contributor that just finished his career as Florida. He certainly didn't leave s without talent. That talent decided to leave... thank goodness Lundy stayed.
McNamara occurred after Dunn was in limbo in 2001. The biggest recruit that bailed after Ed left was Staten.
DeChellis was not forced out, but he had just gone to the NCAA tournament and then wanted to leave for Navy. The AD didn't try to stop him, apparently. The macnamara situation was when Dunn was in limbo, also after a tournament appearance.
such strange handling of the rare successes. almost like somebody didn't really want it to succeed
I graduated in ‘99 and went to many bball games in those years. BJC was a great imposing environment back then because the team was good. It is as simple as that. A good product sells tickets. The ideas to rebuild Rec Hall are not logical. Why would we dramatically increase capital expenditures and operating costs to decrease our potential capacity and revenue? And as mentioned, how the hell does parking even work in that location of the campus? Why would we build anything substantial in the next 5-10 years during a labor shortage that is not going away?
That’s makes no sense to play in Rec hall. One, there is no bball floor anymore nor proper scoreboards. This season the games over break drew around 10000 people. Rec hall holds under 6k now. Why do that?
I think you misinterpreted my post. I felt that both men deserved to lose their job. Ed D left the program in ruins. At least Chambers was able to improve recruiting in Philly. But he consistently underachieved with the talent that he had.
Shrews is the best coach Penn State has had in over 40 years. I’d hate to see him leave.
I have two good friends who are Nova grads. Big East is now Cooley to Gtown and Pitino to the Johns. They both say they'd take Shrewsberry in a heartbeat. This is a blueblood program or close to it at Villanova. If Jay coached one more year maybe Shrews takes that job, who knows. I know he is a magician and I love the way he presents himself at the PC's and whatnot. He's a gem. Please stay. That is all.
This was a classic - Jon Crispin, IIRC, transferred out of PSU after the 2001 season because he didn't like playing for Jerry Dunn, and McNamara claimed he crossed PSU off his list of possible schools because they didn't reup Jerry Dunn right after the 2001 sweet 16 run. Thus is the luck Penn State Men's hoops has traditionally had.
Fairfax, what I actually heard was the 'burnout' story, that Parkhill quit because the job was eating him alive. The timing of his exit (right before the season) pretty much gave PSU no recourse except to promote an assistant currently on the staff. Then Jerry Dunn's squad had a great season and went to the NCAA tournament, and that was that.
Too bad he didn't balance this with 'five reasons why he should stay at PSU". Dave has been the main guy covering PSU hoops for a long time (hoops is really his forte), but I've lost track of his work since Pennlive went behind a paywall.
This thread reminds me of “Idiocracy” and the assertion that Brawndo is so wonderful because it has “electrolytes”.
Parkhill it was brunette not burnout.
Curious, where did Parkhill go after PSU.
Curious, where did Parkhill go after PSU.
He took an assistants job at Ohio State for a couple of years and then permanantly retired. Spends half the year in State College and the other half in Florida. He did this because he liked the X's and O's but not the recruiting, etc.
You are correct with what you heard. You would have to know how intense Bruce is to understand why he hung it up as coach. He did a great job of making our team competitive. When he initially took over our team it was truly pitiful. It took some years but he brought us back to more than respectable, Its a shame he didn't stick at least one more year as I believe the team would have exceeded what it accomplished under Dunn. That team was entirely made up of Bruce's players. I ultimately believe that he was never able to get over the 1993 Indiana game which was one of the biggest travesties in PSU basketball history. I know he still speaks of it to this day.
Something similar to Urban Meyer's situation at OSU. I have no inside info, but that's the story I've heard. Could be completely false for all I know.
I would bet he sure does. We still drag it up on the forums here to rehash it. The worst was the outright lying by Lickliter and backed up by the conference that he didn't see the jersey get pulled out of Bartram's shorts. He was ahead of the play and saw the whole thing unfold in front of him. The truth of the matter is they weren't about to let #1 go down to a team who would ultimately win two conference games that year and go 7-20. That's reality and Parkhill was probably wise to leave, for whatever reason.
