Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.

[Legion of Lions]

You will never be able to dispute the fact that both Paterno and MM testified that something of a sexual nature occurred. You can spend your whole life obsessing over this, but it's not going to change. You will just have to deal with it. Sorry if that angers you, but it is what it is.

Selective evidence again.
You have yet to address the fact that NEW information exists that invalidates your 5+ year old, highly manipulated OAG sourced information.

You still IGNORE two things ---- The EVENT Timeframe (2001) vs 2010+ Testimony time frame. The testimony timeframe is where the OAG "assembled" what you continue to quote. This information has been exposed as "tainted" in its content - potentially distorted for an alternate reason.

New Facts which have been uncovered confirm that these prior statement, assumptions and testimony are seriously "suspicious". When this new information is considered, the testimony content cornerstone to your statements is NO LONGER "Credible Testimony". The issue is CREDIBILITY....Simple as that!!!

I am not angered by your responses...just amazed that you have bought into what is such a poorly constructed and obvious illusion.

 

[AvgUser]

You will never be able to dispute the fact that both Paterno and MM testified that something of a sexual nature occurred. You can spend your whole life obsessing over this, but it's not going to change. You will just have to deal with it. Sorry if that angers you, but it is what it is.

PAterno first said, "I don't know what you'd call it"

 

[bjf1991]

Selective evidence again.
You have yet to address the fact that NEW information exists that invalidates your 5+ year old, highly manipulated OAG sourced information.

You still IGNORE two things ---- The EVENT Timeframe (2001) vs 2010+ Testimony time frame. The testimony timeframe is where the OAG "assembled" what you continue to quote. This information has been exposed as "tainted" in its content - potentially distorted for an alternate reason.

New Facts which have been uncovered confirm that these prior statement, assumptions and testimony are seriously "suspicious". When this new information is considered, the testimony content cornerstone to your statements is NO LONGER "Credible Testimony". The issue is CREDIBILITY....Simple as that!!!

I am not angered by your responses...just amazed that you have bought into what is such a poorly constructed and obvious illusion.

You all are trying to have a "debate" with a guy/thing (GMJ) who has been spewing the same C-J idiocy - non-stop - for FIVE YEARS!!!!!!



"Circle-Jerk is all it knows......And it WILL NOT STOP.......EVER!!!!"

 

[getmyjive11]

PAterno first said, "I don't know what you'd call it"

No he did not. Well, he did, but you are taking that and totally ignoring the essence of what he meant. It is clear to anyone with a brain that he knew it was sexual in nature but wasn't sure exactly what it was.

 

[getmyjive11]

You all are trying to have a "debate" with a guy/thing (GMJ) who has been spewing the same C-J idiocy - non-stop - for FIVE YEARS!!!!!!



"Circle-Jerk is all it knows......And it WILL NOT STOP.......EVER!!!!"

There are only a handful of people in this world that think nothing illegal happened that night. Just remember that when discussing this issue. You are part of the fringe lunatic clan, not me.

 

[Nellie R]

You all are trying to have a "debate" with a guy/thing (GMJ) who has been spewing the same C-J idiocy - non-stop - for FIVE YEARS!!!!!!



"Circle-Jerk is all it knows......And it WILL NOT STOP.......EVER!!!!"

And it's clouding up other more important topics in the thread, almost seems like it's right on cue...

 

[Osprey Lion]

The only thing I've seen close to that addressed by MM was when he said in the 12/16/11 prelim that when he had the meeting with C/S ten DAYS later that he considered Schultz "the police" since he oversaw UPPD.

This rationalization by MM never made any sense to me. If that was the case then why didn't he ask Schultz right then a there to send someone from UPPD over to get his written statement ASAP?? Also, when Curley called MM a few weeks later to follow up with PSU's action plan why didn't MM object or express dissatisfaction when he learned that someone from UPPD taking his statement wasn't part of that plan??

Furthermore when JM had his face to face meeting with Schultz a few months later why didn't he ask why no one from UPPD ever came to get Mike's statement (if he really did view Schultz as the police)? Without Mike giving a statement to UPPD there wasn't much UPPD could do.

Now, if MM didn't want to treat this as a criminal matter b/c he couldn't verify anything criminal took place then having an informal chat with admins and being satisfied with the child care experts at TSM handling his vague report makes perfect sense.

MM was a lowest level employee of Penn State. I think he would be cowed by
discussing the incident with the two highest ranking officials of the University and the AD and
followed their lead on the matter. However, you and those of your ilk want people to believe that their actions were motivated by assuring his satisfaction. If they were , that means that keeping
MM satisfied was more important to them than finding out and resolving what happened in the shower.

 

[Osprey Lion]

No...they should do what the PA OAG does....manufacture a crime and then immediately bomb the house and shoot anyone who runs out of the rubble.

Both the above response to you and your original post are equally reasonable illustrations.

A crime was manufactured? A convicted child molester was alone and naked late at night
with a naked child and you believe nothing criminal happened. Who ties your shoes in the morning?

 

[Royal_Coaster]

So according to you if someone hears screams and a gunshot coming from a house, they should determine if something "criminal in nature" happened before contacting the police instead of
letting the police investigate for themselves.

Actually, what you're arguing is this:
If someone hears screams and a gunshot coming from a house, they should go home and ask his father and a family friend what to do about it, then go to bed and notify the local college football coach and let him handle it.

One other thing, there's a good chance that the next day, there will still be evidence at the scene of your gunfire, shells, bullet holes, maybe even blood or a body. There was nothing left at Lasch building that could help the police determine what happened.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

A crime was manufactured? A convicted child molester was alone and naked late at night
with a naked child and you believe nothing criminal happened. Who ties your shoes in the morning?

OK, now you're just getting stupid. In 2001, Sandusky was not a convicted child molester, yet you're expecting everyone to have acted then as though he were. So how about you stop looking at this through 2017 glasses, OK? Just stop.

 

[ChiTownLion]

MM was a lowest level employee of Penn State. I think he would be cowed by
discussing the incident with the two highest ranking officials of the University and the AD and
followed their lead on the matter. However, you and those of your ilk want people to believe that their actions were motivated by assuring his satisfaction. If they were , that means that keeping MM satisfied was more important to them than finding out and resolving what happened in the shower.

Get real, dude. If they were trying to buy Mike's silence by "assuring his satisfaction," they woulda given him Kenny Jackson's vacated WRs job, doncha think?

 

[interrobang]

by the time they were told (whatever) they knew there was no immediate threat & whatever happened was over.

Yeah, thinking a kid got raped sure would inspire me to think "oh, no immediate threat, no big deal, it's over now"

 

[Osprey Lion]

PAterno first said, "I don't know what you'd call it"

That proves it didn't describe a sexual act? What is wrong with you?

 

[interrobang]

No he did not. Well, he did, but you are taking that and totally ignoring the essence of what he meant. It is clear to anyone with a brain that he knew it was sexual in nature but wasn't sure exactly what it was.

Actually, it was very clear he didn't know what it was. And since we haven't heard a recording of him saying those words, we can reasonably assume the simple transcript doesn't provide the inflecting in Joe's voice, such as:

"It was a sexual nature...hmm...I don't know what you'd call it"

Now think of someone being assertive in saying "It was a sexual nature!!! I don't know what you'd call it!!" That makes no sense.

 

[AvgUser]

No he did not. Well, he did, but you are taking that and totally ignoring the essence of what he meant. It is clear to anyone with a brain that he knew it was sexual in nature but wasn't sure exactly what it was.

What exactly is "sexual in nature" anyway? Would you think that sexual in nature differs between a 16 year old, a 27 year old and a 70 year old person?

 

[Osprey Lion]

OK, now you're just getting stupid. In 2001, Sandusky was not a convicted child molester, yet you're expecting everyone to have acted then as though he were. So how about you stop looking at this through 2017 glasses, OK? Just stop.

Learn to read you moron. The poster to which I replied implied nothing happened in the shower.
I pointed out that the person in the shower is a convicted child molester. It doesn't matter when he was
convicted. What matters is that he was and is a child molester. And you call me stupid. Get a clue.

 

[Osprey Lion]

Actually, it was very clear he didn't know what it was. And since we haven't heard a recording of him saying those words, we can reasonably assume the simple transcript doesn't provide the inflecting in Joe's voice, such as:

"It was a sexual nature...hmm...I don't know what you'd call it"

Now think of someone being assertive in saying "It was a sexual nature!!! I don't know what you'd call it!!" That makes no sense.

Unbelievable.

 

[Osprey Lion]

What exactly is "sexual in nature" anyway? Would you think that sexual in nature differs between a 16 year old, a 27 year old and a 70 year old person?

No. Sexual is sexual. Anyone out of the crib knows it when they see it other than you.

 

[Osprey Lion]

Get real, dude. If they were trying to buy Mike's silence by "assuring his satisfaction," they woulda given him Kenny Jackson's vacated WRs job, doncha think?

No it "dontcha".

 

[Osprey Lion]

Actually, what you're arguing is this:
If someone hears screams and a gunshot coming from a house, they should go home and ask his father and a family friend what to do about it, then go to bed and notify the local college football coach and let him handle it.

One other thing, there's a good chance that the next day, there will still be evidence at the scene of your gunfire, shells, bullet holes, maybe even blood or a body. There was nothing left at Lasch building that could help the police determine what happened.

You are a forensics expert who examined the scene? And they couldn't have asked Sandusky who he was with and interrogated his victim? Get a clue.

 

[dalions81]

After laying in the weeds since the beginning, one thing hits me like a Tyson punch. Why do the "PSU football guilty" people continue to preach to those that have a different opinion. I would have said, "screw those ignorant bastards" and went on with my life. I WOULD not continue to try and persuade the unwashed. There is a reason. Are they afraid of the truth?

 

[AvgUser]

No. Sexual is sexual. Anyone out of the crib knows it when they see it other than you.

You can't define it either.

 

[bjf1991]

Apparently your idea of intelligent discourse includes constant references to
"circle jerking". I can only assume that brings back happy memories and/or a wish
to do it.

Or:

It is the only remaining option - - - to your years of masturbating over every discussion of anything concerning the entire fiasco

____________________

Next time you try (and fail) to be "witty", at least try to be somewhat original.
Nothing worse than trite, stupid, AND duplicative

 

[Osprey Lion]

After laying in the weeds since the beginning, one thing hits me like a Tyson punch. Why do the "PSU football guilty" people continue to preach to those that have a different opinion. I would have said, "screw those ignorant bastards" and went on with my life. I WOULD not continue to try and persuade the unwashed. There is a reason. Are they afraid of the truth?

What is the "truth"?

 

[Legion of Lions]

A crime was manufactured? A convicted child molester was alone and naked late at night
with a naked child and you believe nothing criminal happened. Who ties your shoes in the morning?

So typical...when you represent an illusion, you MUST cling to the emotionally directed labels that have been used to create that illusion - no matter how wrong or how manufactured

The "crime" I speak of is the CRIME of governmental abuse of position, of abuse of public trust - an abuse that robs America of its core values - its constitutional protections and it positive future by deception.

You and others speak of "...A convicted child molester ..." - convicted by what?? A 21st century lynch mob created by the misinformation promoted by a lying, criminal OAG - an OAG that is obviously answering to a political puppeteer?

It is now painfully evident that a money-driven corruption has focused on hiding the very organization that had the REAL responsibility for the Sandusky "Monster" - TSM. The same TSM that quite probably was laundering money for political elites and paying the highest level of PA government officials for their PROTECTION (remember the $650M Corbet "Contribution").

How do you sleep at night? Do you have a picture of the "Kids-for-Cash" judges above your bed - or - did you participate in the profits from crime or, or maybe some other criminal abuses created by the corrupt PA courts.

My message is simple....SANDUSKY is NOT the problem...SANDUSKY is just the fall-guy for a group that needs him and Penn State to cover their crime...and their crimes make what you say SANDUSKY needs to rot in hell for look like nothing but Girl Scout cookie sales!!! Legal corruption is the worst crime imaginable. It is nothing less than the start of Germany 1938!!

Because of what I know about Sandusky's trial and the 5+ years of manipulation of information by PA government and our own politically connected executive BOT, I am uncertain as to his actual guilt or criminal level of involvement. What I am certain is that this entire matter has been engineered to deceive. The deception is CONSISTENT, illegal and WRONG!

Making sure that JUSTICE - real Justice - has been done in this entire matter is my focus - nothing more or nothing less.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

And around and around we go.

Looking back at this AFTER the convictions it's too easy to see this could have played out very differently if a lot of things, or even a few here and there, were done differently.

I still think the problem is in determining who's to blame, or laying blame other than with Sandusky-at least before people began putting the pieces together.

A parade of errors (or other) seems to have followed someone catching on to what was going on--or at least a bunch of errors (or other) mixed in with reasonable efforts to address the situation.
But up until the time anyone KNEW, it still seems that the town, university, etc. was likely filled with well intentioned people who either didn't see it, couldn't see it, didn't know what to look for, or do or whatever.

But all of this is a far cry from a cover up involving joe paterno.

 

[coveydidnt]

So typical...when you represent an illusion, you MUST cling to the emotionally directed labels that have been used to create that illusion - no matter how wrong or how manufactured

The "crime" I speak of is the CRIME of governmental abuse of position, of abuse of public trust - an abuse that robs America of its core values - its constitutional protections and it positive future by deception.

You and others speak of "...A convicted child molester ..." - convicted by what?? A 21st century lynch mob created by the misinformation promoted by a lying, criminal OAG - an OAG that is obviously answering to a political puppeteer?

It is now painfully evident that a money-driven corruption has focused on hiding the very organization that had the REAL responsibility for the Sandusky "Monster" - TSM. The same TSM that quite probably was laundering money for political elites and paying the highest level of PA government officials for their PROTECTION (remember the $650M Corbet "Contribution").

How do you sleep at night? Do you have a picture of the "Kids-for-Cash" judges above your bed - or - did you participate in the profits from crime or, or maybe some other criminal abuses created by the corrupt PA courts.

My message is simple....SANDUSKY is NOT the problem...SANDUSKY is just the fall-guy for a group that needs him and Penn State to cover their crime...and their crimes make what you say SANDUSKY needs to rot in hell for look like nothing but Girl Scout cookie sales!!! Legal corruption is the worst crime imaginable. It is nothing less than the start of Germany 1938!!

Because of what I know about Sandusky's trial and the 5+ years of manipulation of information by PA government and our own politically connected executive BOT, I am uncertain as to his actual guilt or criminal level of involvement. What I am certain is that this entire matter has been engineered to deceive. The deception is CONSISTENT, illegal and WRONG!

Making sure that JUSTICE - real Justice - has been done in this entire matter is my focus - nothing more or nothing less.

The budget at TSM was way too small to serve as a money laundering vehicle for so many.

 

[bjf1991]

The budget at TSM was way too small to serve as a money laundering vehicle for so many.

PSU, on the other hand, is a $5,000,000,000+ operation


Just sayin'.



Well, not really "just sayin".........its F-ing obvious what they re trying to keep hidden (at least ONE OF the things they are trying to keep hidden.......and it ain't whether or not JS was ass-humping some kid in a shower)

 

[wensilver]

I'll play.

I don't think anything "illegal" happened that night. A lot of us women discussed it and we all concluded there is NO WAY any "anal rape in a Penn State shower" happened, based on the available witness testimony provided from when the shit hit the fan.

I am certain "anal rape" didn't happened and I think that meme is courtesy of our pals Frank "Fap" Fina and Patrick Blessington - whose case is rapidly falling apart here in Philadelphia. The timing of both are rather curious, don't you think?

Now, if the mother of "victim 2" wanted to escalate things and seek to press charges on Indecent Exposure - well, then that's on her and the UPPD. And THAT'S something that Dr. Jack Raykovitz should have been very concerned about. It would be BAD PUBLICITY to have the founder of your wildly successful children's charity to have to answer questions about that.

I'll also go one further and suggest that "horseplay" between guys (and I'm horse owner so I know how that goes down) could result in brusing, welts or other unintentional physical harm. I will go so far as to suggest the "child abuse" Courtney is researching is what would constitute such given "horseplay" gotten out of control.

Since Spanier was physically abused as a child - this would could come to mind. Sex crimes would not be in the same solar system for these guys.

Speaking of the mom of victim 2 - has she ever gone to the media about her son being horribly raped and molested that evening? Why aren't you trolls ever asking about the moms here and their concerns in all this. Why is it always about Joe, Tim, Gary and/or Graham and their failures?

Don't these mothers and their opinions count? It's almost as if you don't really care about them at all.

Which makes me wonder if @getmyjive11 and others are here simply to poison the jury pool against any trial for Curley, Schultz & Spanier. Aren't you better off in a Dauphin County court audience - like over at PennLive?

There are only a handful of people in this world that think nothing illegal happened that night. Just remember that when discussing this issue. You are part of the fringe lunatic clan, not me.

 

[wensilver]

No - they are here to try to sway opinion and poison the jury pool.

It's not working.

After laying in the weeds since the beginning, one thing hits me like a Tyson punch. Why do the "PSU football guilty" people continue to preach to those that have a different opinion. I would have said, "screw those ignorant bastards" and went on with my life. I WOULD not continue to try and persuade the unwashed. There is a reason. Are they afraid of the truth?

 

[wensilver]

A refresher for the FreehBots here.

Freeh used the FBI 302 no recording method of taking witness testimony. The fix was in, and guys like Ken "There are no Do Overs" Frazier bought into it.

At least we got an entertaining press conference out of it. Baylor paid how many millions for a 13 pager and a verbal "report".

 

[bjf1991]

A refresher for the FreehBots here.

Freeh used the FBI 302 no recording method of taking witness testimony. The fix was in, and guys like Ken "There are no Do Overs" Frazier bought into it.

At least we got an entertaining press conference out of it. Baylor paid how many millions for a 13 pager and a verbal "report".

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Fan - F-ing - Tastic Blog

Bravo!!!!!!!

 

[WyomingLion]

A refresher for the FreehBots here.

Freeh used the FBI 302 no recording method of taking witness testimony. The fix was in, and guys like Ken "There are no Do Overs" Frazier bought into it.

At least we got an entertaining press conference out of it. Baylor paid how many millions for a 13 pager and a verbal "report".

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Wendy, that was wonderfully enlightening. Intimidate the witness, and have no complete record of what was said. You keep only what YOU decide you want recorded as testimony. What a corrupt self serving system. Wendy, said it before but you can really cut thru the BS and get to the end game. Great respect for your help in this miscarriage of justice.

 

[getmyjive11]

Actually, it was very clear he didn't know what it was. And since we haven't heard a recording of him saying those words, we can reasonably assume the simple transcript doesn't provide the inflecting in Joe's voice, such as:

"It was a sexual nature...hmm...I don't know what you'd call it"

Now think of someone being assertive in saying "It was a sexual nature!!! I don't know what you'd call it!!" That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense for someone to say to say that (minus the exclamation points, which you added).

 

[getmyjive11]

What exactly is "sexual in nature" anyway? Would you think that sexual in nature differs between a 16 year old, a 27 year old and a 70 year old person?

It means something sexual.

 

[getmyjive11]

I'll play.

I don't think anything "illegal" happened that night. A lot of us women discussed it and we all concluded there is NO WAY any "anal rape in a Penn State shower" happened, based on the available witness testimony provided from when the shit hit the fan.

I am certain "anal rape" didn't happened and I think that meme is courtesy of our pals Frank "Fap" Fina and Patrick Blessington - whose case is rapidly falling apart here in Philadelphia. The timing of both are rather curious, don't you think?

Now, if the mother of "victim 2" wanted to escalate things and seek to press charges on Indecent Exposure - well, then that's on her and the UPPD. And THAT'S something that Dr. Jack Raykovitz should have been very concerned about. It would be BAD PUBLICITY to have the founder of your wildly successful children's charity to have to answer questions about that.

I'll also go one further and suggest that "horseplay" between guys (and I'm horse owner so I know how that goes down) could result in brusing, welts or other unintentional physical harm. I will go so far as to suggest the "child abuse" Courtney is researching is what would constitute such given "horseplay" gotten out of control.

Since Spanier was physically abused as a child - this would could come to mind. Sex crimes would not be in the same solar system for these guys.

Speaking of the mom of victim 2 - has she ever gone to the media about her son being horribly raped and molested that evening? Why aren't you trolls ever asking about the moms here and their concerns in all this. Why is it always about Joe, Tim, Gary and/or Graham and their failures?

Don't these mothers and their opinions count? It's almost as if you don't really care about them at all.

Which makes me wonder if @getmyjive11 and others are here simply to poison the jury pool against any trial for Curley, Schultz & Spanier. Aren't you better off in a Dauphin County court audience - like over at PennLive?

I would really like to know why all of you people think that anal sex is the only kind of sex act a man can do to a boy. There are a number of other things that Jerry could have done with the boy in the shower that would have been illegal.

 

[getmyjive11]

My message is simple....SANDUSKY is NOT the problem...SANDUSKY is just the fall-guy for a group that needs him and Penn State to cover their crime...and their crimes make what you say SANDUSKY needs to rot in hell for look like nothing but Girl Scout cookie sales!!! Legal corruption is the worst crime imaginable. It is nothing less than the start of Germany 1938!!

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Sandusky is not the problem??? How you think you have any credibility after such a statement is beyond me. That's just shameful.

 

[getmyjive11]

And around and around we go.

Looking back at this AFTER the convictions it's too easy to see this could have played out very differently if a lot of things, or even a few here and there, were done differently.

I still think the problem is in determining who's to blame, or laying blame other than with Sandusky-at least before people began putting the pieces together.

A parade of errors (or other) seems to have followed someone catching on to what was going on--or at least a bunch of errors (or other) mixed in with reasonable efforts to address the situation.
But up until the time anyone KNEW, it still seems that the town, university, etc. was likely filled with well intentioned people who either didn't see it, couldn't see it, didn't know what to look for, or do or whatever.

But all of this is a far cry from a cover up involving joe paterno.

It wasn't a coverup but rather an epic failure. It was a bunch of men not wanting to deal with something serious, so they kicked the can down the curb until it ultimately reached the end of the line. Then, it was rationalized and left to be forgotten. Meanwhile, Sandusky went around and molested more children. That SHOULD piss you off... clearly it doesn't, which is sad.

 

[getmyjive11]

No - they are here to try to sway opinion and poison the jury pool.

It's not working.

You are way too deep into this. I couldn't care less about the jury pool and have said for quite some time that I think CSS get off. That doesn't mean that they weren't failures though. They ultimately screwed Penn State with their inaction.

 

[Chris92]

It wasn't a coverup but rather an epic failure. It was a bunch of men not wanting to deal with something serious, so they kicked the can down the curb until it ultimately reached the end of the line. Then, it was rationalized and left to be forgotten. Meanwhile, Sandusky went around and molested more children. That SHOULD piss you off... clearly it doesn't, which is sad.

Yep, who do you point the finger at for '98's failures?