Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.

[getmyjive11]

Yep, who do you point the finger at for '98's failures?

The poorly written law. But at least the police were able to investigate the incident. PSU would not be a quarter of a billion in the hole if they just called the police. CSS would not be on trial. Paterno's reputation would be intact. MM would probably still be a CFB coach. It doesn't matter if the investigation would have resulted in charges or not, what matters is that PSU passed the information to the authorities.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

It wasn't a coverup but rather an epic failure. It was a bunch of men not wanting to deal with something serious, so they kicked the can down the curb until it ultimately reached the end of the line. Then, it was rationalized and left to be forgotten. Meanwhile, Sandusky went around and molested more children. That SHOULD piss you off... clearly it doesn't, which is sad.

If you're right, it'll piss me off. I don't expect you are. But that's not a refusal to accept a fact. It's a failure of evidence.
The whole situation absolutely pisses me off. It pisses me off that it happened at all, and that it happens way more than we're willing to accept. And yes I accept there were failures. There were.

But if we're going to really start looking at this epic failure, we've got to look at WAY more people than those currently in question. This was way bigger than the bunch of men you're focused on, none of whom I am ready to convict as people who didn't care about doing the right thing, or worse. These kinds of predators survive by causing these epic failures.

 

[getmyjive11]

If you're right, it'll piss me off. I don't expect you are. But that's not a refusal to accept a fact. It's a failure of evidence.
The whole situation absolutely pisses me off. It pisses me off that it happened at all, and that it happens way more than we're willing to accept. And yes I accept there were failures. There were.

But if we're going to really start looking at this epic failure, we've got to look at WAY more people than those currently in question. This was way bigger than the bunch of men you're focused on, none of whom I am ready to convict as people who didn't care about doing the right thing, or worse. These kinds of predators survive by causing these epic failures.

Of course, but we are talking about PSU right now. TSM should have been looked at a long time ago.

And yes, the incompetence angers me for several reasons.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

The poorly written law. But at least the police were able to investigate the incident. PSU would not be a quarter of a billion in the hole if they just called the police. CSS would not be on trial. Paterno's reputation would be intact. MM would probably still be a CFB coach. It doesn't matter if the investigation would have resulted in charges or not, what matters is that PSU passed the information to the authorities.

Good luck finding any decent person who doesn't regret they didn't do more, or do more sooner, or seen it sooner, or... Yes. I wish soneone would have escalated, but we still don't know what they did, what they knew, what their motivations were (if not to do the right thing--which I still expect was their intention.

We're all pissed. But nobody currently under review knew, and most others didn't either.

 

[getmyjive11]

Good luck finding any decent person who doesn't regret they didn't do more, or do more sooner, or seen it sooner, or... Yes. I wish soneone would have escalated, but we still don't know what they did, what they knew, what their motivations were (if not to do the right thing--which I still expect was their intention.

We're all pissed. But nobody currently under review knew, and most others didn't either.

They knew that MM thought it was sexual, that should have been enough to act.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

I'm out. I'll check for any reply tomorrow.

Edit: Ya caught me before signing off.

I can't disagree. But it's far from clear what mike conveyed. Should whatever he said have been enough to do more? Easy to conclude yes following the investigations and Jerry's convictions.

But that's not the info we get to judge them on. And I'm hopeful more info will be revealed, whatever that info is. This community needs that.

 

[ChiTownLion]

The poorly written law. But at least the police were able to investigate the incident. PSU would not be a quarter of a billion in the hole if they just called the police. CSS would not be on trial. Paterno's reputation would be intact. MM would probably still be a CFB coach. It doesn't matter if the investigation would have resulted in charges or not, what matters is that PSU passed the information to the authorities.

Then explain to us why Penn State was punished for 1998.

 

[getmyjive11]

Then explain to us why Penn State was punished for 1998.

They shouldn't have been. That doesn't have anything to do with the incompetence that occurred in 2001.

 

[Nellie R]

I'll play.

I don't think anything "illegal" happened that night. A lot of us women discussed it and we all concluded there is NO WAY any "anal rape in a Penn State shower" happened, based on the available witness testimony provided from when the shit hit the fan.

I am certain "anal rape" didn't happened and I think that meme is courtesy of our pals Frank "Fap" Fina and Patrick Blessington - whose case is rapidly falling apart here in Philadelphia. The timing of both are rather curious, don't you think?

Now, if the mother of "victim 2" wanted to escalate things and seek to press charges on Indecent Exposure - well, then that's on her and the UPPD. And THAT'S something that Dr. Jack Raykovitz should have been very concerned about. It would be BAD PUBLICITY to have the founder of your wildly successful children's charity to have to answer questions about that.

I'll also go one further and suggest that "horseplay" between guys (and I'm horse owner so I know how that goes down) could result in brusing, welts or other unintentional physical harm. I will go so far as to suggest the "child abuse" Courtney is researching is what would constitute such given "horseplay" gotten out of control.

Since Spanier was physically abused as a child - this would could come to mind. Sex crimes would not be in the same solar system for these guys.

Speaking of the mom of victim 2 - has she ever gone to the media about her son being horribly raped and molested that evening? Why aren't you trolls ever asking about the moms here and their concerns in all this. Why is it always about Joe, Tim, Gary and/or Graham and their failures?

Don't these mothers and their opinions count? It's almost as if you don't really care about them at all.

Which makes me wonder if @getmyjive11 and others are here simply to poison the jury pool against any trial for Curley, Schultz & Spanier. Aren't you better off in a Dauphin County court audience - like over at PennLive?

A-MEN! Let's recap the much more important discussion that was occurring yesterday and today when the distraction occurred. @didier was examining a document and asked two very good questions. The discussion continued in another venue without too many of these types of distractions.

Result: Although no one has proved who "TLH" is, some pretty good theories discussed, but more importantly another EUREKA moment occurred:

This document dated 05/05/1998 , an Exhibit in the MMQ v PSU case was written on the same day, same notepad, same note series as another one cherry-picked for the Freeh Fraud Exhibits. Theory proffered by Blehar and others long ago (whom I suspect may have seen more than we have) and written testimony shown by @JmmyW from 2013 C/S/S prelim is now proven loud and clear with this visual proof that some people require for the light bulb to go on:

Exculpatory evidence referring to SECOND MILE and showing the DPW's role of responsibility for getting this stopped in 1998 was purposely left out of the Freeh Fraud:



The particular resolution I was working with (as requested as another party to put some eyes on this with 16 years of old handwriting/document reading experience in a non-professional capacity) is presented here for easier reading.




Certain media notified, but will continue to ignore what's staring them in the face.

 

[Nellie R]

Wendy, that was wonderfully enlightening. Intimidate the witness, and have no complete record of what was said. You keep only what YOU decide you want recorded as testimony. What a corrupt self serving system. Wendy, said it before but you can really cut thru the BS and get to the end game. Great respect for your help in this miscarriage of justice.

People should listen to the WOMEN and MOMS that have been through this kind of thing (or something similar but not exactly the same) before more often...

but not the ones who parade around on ESPN trying to make apples into oranges.

 

[coveydidnt]

The poorly written law. But at least the police were able to investigate the incident. PSU would not be a quarter of a billion in the hole if they just called the police. CSS would not be on trial. Paterno's reputation would be intact. MM would probably still be a CFB coach. It doesn't matter if the investigation would have resulted in charges or not, what matters is that PSU passed the information to the authorities.

This is really the whole point of this thread isn't it? The handful of morons & amatuer detectives who are trying to change the story to be about a scratched out name on a bad copy should be ashamed of themselves. Nothing on that weird sheet, whether or not these phony selfproclaimed forensic data inspectors have "enhanced" it, matters. All these free-Jerry cult members get marching orders from Zigler and distract from any actual efforts to resolve how we got here.

I'd like to ask why these "Moms" seem to think Jerry is innocent and dumb but his charity TSM was corrupt and complex. Its preposterous!

 

[Osprey Lion]

Or:

It is the only remaining option - - - to your years of masturbating over every discussion of anything concerning the entire fiasco

____________________

Next time you try (and fail) to be "witty", at least try to be somewhat original.
Nothing worse than trite, stupid, AND duplicative

I wasn't trying to be witty. I was stating the fact that I believe you are either very
immature or a sick pup.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I'll play.

I don't think anything "illegal" happened that night. A lot of us women discussed it and we all concluded there is NO WAY any "anal rape in a Penn State shower" happened, based on the available witness testimony provided from when the shit hit the fan.

I am certain "anal rape" didn't happened and I think that meme is courtesy of our pals Frank "Fap" Fina and Patrick Blessington - whose case is rapidly falling apart here in Philadelphia. The timing of both are rather curious, don't you think?

Now, if the mother of "victim 2" wanted to escalate things and seek to press charges on Indecent Exposure - well, then that's on her and the UPPD. And THAT'S something that Dr. Jack Raykovitz should have been very concerned about. It would be BAD PUBLICITY to have the founder of your wildly successful children's charity to have to answer questions about that.

I'll also go one further and suggest that "horseplay" between guys (and I'm horse owner so I know how that goes down) could result in brusing, welts or other unintentional physical harm. I will go so far as to suggest the "child abuse" Courtney is researching is what would constitute such given "horseplay" gotten out of control.

Since Spanier was physically abused as a child - this would could come to mind. Sex crimes would not be in the same solar system for these guys.

Speaking of the mom of victim 2 - has she ever gone to the media about her son being horribly raped and molested that evening? Why aren't you trolls ever asking about the moms here and their concerns in all this. Why is it always about Joe, Tim, Gary and/or Graham and their failures?

Don't these mothers and their opinions count? It's almost as if you don't really care about them at all.

Which makes me wonder if @getmyjive11 and others are here simply to poison the jury pool against any trial for Curley, Schultz & Spanier. Aren't you better off in a Dauphin County court audience - like over at PennLive?

Well since you women discussed it, I guess that concludes this topic. Since there was no anal
rape, nothing sexual happened. And you own horses so you know that only horseplay (naked) was
going on. And people like GMJ are just trying to "poison the jury pool" because it would be impossible to find 12 people who don't read this board. You must be a genius. And I assume the other women in your discussion group are also all Mensa members. Do you meet before or after watching Jerry Springer?

 

[Nellie R]

This is really the whole point of this thread isn't it? The handful of morons & amatuer detectives who are trying to change the story to be about a scratched out name on a bad copy should be ashamed of themselves. Nothing on that weird sheet, whether or not these phony selfproclaimed forensic data inspectors have "enhanced" it, matters. All these free-Jerry cult members get marching orders from Zigler and distract from any actual efforts to resolve how we got here.

I'd like to ask why these "Moms" seem to think Jerry is innocent and dumb but his charity TSM was corrupt and complex. Its preposterous!

Word-twister extraordinaire. What's your agenda: you hate intelligent women?

 

[Nellie R]

Well since you women discussed it, I guess that concludes this topic. Since there was no anal
rape, nothing sexual happened. And you own horses so you know that only horseplay (naked) was
going on. And people like GMJ are just trying to "poison the jury pool" because it would be impossible to find 12 people who don't read this board. You must be a genius. And I assume the other women in your discussion group are also all Mensa members. Do you meet before or after watching Jerry Springer?

You are impressing no one but yourself. This is a typical tactic. Trying to tear down ppl like Wen who have the utmost of credibility and dialogues in person with just about every PA player in this matter on a regular basis.

Then you display your additional tactic of trying to place two ppl in the same discussion group when clearly they didn't participate in the same discussion.

 

[AvgUser]

It means something sexual.

Brilliant answer. I was, ummm, kind of asking for your definition of what it mean.

And the other buy's response is "You'll know when you see it". Another brilliant retort.

Suppose a woman in my office comes to work is in a black, tight-fitting mini skirt in spiked heels with a plunging neckline and a low cut back. Sexual or not?

 

[AvgUser]

I would really like to know why all of you people think that anal sex is the only kind of sex act a man can do to a boy.

Because the GJP said it was anal intercourse.

 

[Osprey Lion]

Brilliant answer. I was, ummm, kind of asking for your definition of what it mean.

And the other buy's response is "You'll know when you see it". Another brilliant retort.

Suppose a woman in my office comes to work is in a black, tight-fitting mini skirt in spiked heels with a plunging neckline and a low cut back. Sexual or not?

I assume I am the other "buy".

Sexual Act - an act performed with another for sexual gratification.
From Merriam Webster. I always assumed most adults knew this until
I started reading this board. Now I find so many of you and your ilk are confused about it.
Perhaps we should put more emphasis on Sex Education in schools.

 

[getmyjive11]

Brilliant answer. I was, ummm, kind of asking for your definition of what it mean.

And the other buy's response is "You'll know when you see it". Another brilliant retort.

Suppose a woman in my office comes to work is in a black, tight-fitting mini skirt in spiked heels with a plunging neckline and a low cut back. Sexual or not?

You are just being purposefully dense. There are many things that are of a sexual nature. When you hear that things were going on between a mature male and a boy in a shower that were of a sexual nature, you go to the police. Let them figure out what happened. Why do you feel that is not the appropriate action to take?

 

[getmyjive11]

Because the GJP said it was anal intercourse.

And it might have been. JS was not convicted on that charge because it couldn't be proven, but it may have happened. Perhaps if there was a police investigation right after the even occurred, we would have an answer on that.

 

[moofafoo]

The budget at TSM was way too small to serve as a money laundering vehicle for so many.

If you think that, then you haven't reviewed TSM financials and don't know how these slick criminals operate.

Let's say I'm a certain corn or potato farmer or a landowner/developer (). I inflate my food services, land rental, or site "prep" for TSM activities by $500,000 above market rate. Who is going to catch it, if they aren't looking for it? It's commonplace among thieves of this ilk. "Food services" can be abused in all sorts of ways under the guise of "catering", "special preparations", etc. and all sorts of other bullshit.

One can rent jock straps, swimming suits, shitters,"celebrities", activity props/enhancements etc. well above the going rate. And get away with their shit because it's no bid.

TSM was drained of assets before the shit hit the fan, and they had plenty of them.

The constant dribbling of Penn Live diarrhea here is no surprise when the Syracuse family based company has no bullshit to run on Paterno, Sandusky, Kane or Penn State.

 

[Legion of Lions]

The budget at TSM was way too small to serve as a money laundering vehicle for so many.

Wrong....The money laundering results from "donors" who write a check for $xMillion and take that check and take a tax deduction for that $xMillion. TSM later returns that $xMillion to the "Donor" by paying for "services" that it never receives.

It is money laundering via Tax Fraud. Why do you think the "Dr Shred" truck destroying all TSM records was used immediately after Sandusky's Criminal charges?? Why do you think $MILLIONS have been spent on keeping the Penn State Criminal Culture illusion alive???

As long as Penn State is seen by the public as "The Criminals", they assume the crimes need no further investigation. We can all "...Move on...".

The Sandusky crimes are most likely exaggerated - not to say he is innocent, but to say what he is charged and convicted for are "inaccurate", at least..

The public label of "Child Molester" has been based upon acts that were contained in a fictitious OAG Presentment document and a "victims" list that is the "...best that money can buy..." testifying as they were instructed to do. They are NOT based upon a fair legal process and they are now, 5 years+ later, STILL being manipulated by the internal group in PA politics that know that if the can of worms that surround TSM is opened - they are DEAD MEAT!

This is why it has taken so long for C/S/S trials, why the absurd charges still exist and why all court activities are so "closely interpreted" by the hand selected judge running this clown show. Just waiting for the SOL to kick in or someone key dies (Sandusky or C/S/S).

 

[coveydidnt]

Wrong....The money laundering results from "donors" who write a check for $xMillion and take that check and take a tax deduction for that $xMillion. TSM later returns that $xMillion to the "Donor" by paying for "services" that it never receives.

It is money laundering via Tax Fraud. Why do you think the "Dr Shred" truck destroying all TSM records was used immediately after Sandusky's Criminal charges?? Why do you think $MILLIONS have been spent on keeping the Penn State Criminal Culture illusion alive???

As long as Penn State is seen by the public as "The Criminals", they assume the crimes need no further investigation. We can all "...Move on...".

The Sandusky crimes are most likely exaggerated - not to say he is innocent, but to say what he is charged and convicted for are "inaccurate", at least..

The public label of "Child Molester" has been based upon acts that were contained in a fictitious OAG Presentment document and a "victims" list that is the "...best that money can buy..." testifying as they were instructed to do. They are NOT based upon a fair legal process and they are now, 5 years+ later, STILL being manipulated by the internal group in PA politics that know that if the can of worms that surround TSM is opened - they are DEAD MEAT!

This is why it has taken so long for C/S/S trials, why the absurd charges still exist and why all court activities are so "closely interpreted" by the hand selected judge running this clown show. Just waiting for the SOL to kick in or someone key dies (Sandusky or C/S/S).

So you don't understand math. Lets try logic instead.

Your thought process wirks like this:

Jerry is basically innocent, but his charity is corrupt & crooked

The government & Corbett know this & are actually involved

Corbett wants to "get" Spanier

Corbett fabricates charges against Jerry, the leader of that corrupt charity, knowing that much attention will shine on the charity and while he & the other illuminati will try to minimize that scrutiny, its possible that a lot of big name donors will go down, maybe even Corbett himself. But its worth it to get Spanier.

To maximize the blow to PennState Football & Paterno, although the investigation is complete, the OAG holds releasing GJP untill a bye week and allows Joe to get #409. After all, if this goes sideways it might be embarrassing for Penn State. But it's important to get Spanier.

To distract people from thinking too much about TSM, we will invent a couple "victims" known only to God. We will say those crines happened at Penn State. This will further protect TSM.

Are you people really serious? Come on.

I mean, we've had just one chance to ask Freeh questions about his flawed report. Instead of asking a real question about his process, files, methods, other theories, we get a moron asking a question everyone in the room already knew the answer to. "Whyv didn't you investigate TSM?" Because I was hired to investigate PSU. .

So dumb. Such a waste of a golden opportunity. What else do you expect from the Jerry is Innocent society.

 

[WeR0206]

So you don't understand math. Lets try logic instead.

Your thought process wirks like this:

Jerry is basically innocent, but his charity is corrupt & crooked

The government & Corbett know this & are actually involved

Corbett wants to "get" Spanier

Corbett fabricates charges against Jerry, the leader of that corrupt charity, knowing that much attention will shine on the charity and while he & the other illuminati will try to minimize that scrutiny, its possible that a lot of big name donors will go down, maybe even Corbett himself. But its worth it to get Spanier.

To maximize the blow to PennState Football & Paterno, although the investigation is complete, the OAG holds releasing GJP untill a bye week and allows Joe to get #409. After all, if this goes sideways it might be embarrassing for Penn State. But it's important to get Spanier.

To distract people from thinking too much about TSM, we will invent a couple "victims" known only to God. We will say those crines happened at Penn State. This will further protect TSM.

Are you people really serious? Come on.

I mean, we've had just one chance to ask Freeh questions about his flawed report. Instead of asking a real question about his process, files, methods, other theories, we get a moron asking a question everyone in the room already knew the answer to. "Whyv didn't you investigate TSM?" Because I was hired to investigate PSU. .

So dumb. Such a waste of a golden opportunity. What else do you expect from the Jerry is Innocent society.

You seem to be forgetting that V1 complaint that clinton county "indicated" JS on in late 2008 is what caused this case to come across corbetts desk in march 2009 in the first place and his actions the first 1.5 yrs of his "investigation" show that Corbett wanted nothing to do with prosecuting JS (waited until MM tip magically came into this office before doing basic steps such as search JS' house, subpoena CC CYS, search TSM-no warrants needed for this btw, and ask UPPD for any reports re: JS). The Moulton report lays out this bizarre timeline pretty well, I suggest you review it.

It wasn't until V1's mom got up corbetts ass and started threatening to go to the fbi around summer 2010 that Corbett decided to really ramp up the investigation, the poof! One day after he is elected gov the MM tip comes in, how convenient!!

 

[coveydidnt]

If you think that, then you haven't reviewed TSM financials and don't know how these slick criminals operate.

Let's say I'm a certain corn or potato farmer or a landowner/developer (). I inflate my food services, land rental, or site "prep" for TSM activities by $500,000 above market rate. Who is going to catch it, if they aren't looking for it? It's commonplace among thieves of this ilk. "Food services" can be abused in all sorts of ways under the guise of "catering", "special preparations", etc. and all sorts of other bullshit.

One can rent jock straps, swimming suits, shitters,"celebrities", activity props/enhancements etc. well above the going rate. And get away with their shit because it's no bid.

TSM was drained of assets before the shit hit the fan, and they had plenty of them.

The constant dribbling of Penn Live diarrhea here is no surprise when the Syracuse family based company has no bullshit to run on Paterno, Sandusky, Kane or Penn State.

Please explain further. It didn't make any sense. This is what you claim:

There's a potato farmer who has $500K. He wants to avoid paying taxes, I guess. Maybe taxes would be $100K.

He "donates" that $500k to TSM.

Now he also has jockstraps (these dont really exist). He claims he got them for $1. And TSM buys them from him for $500K.

Now he's made $499,999 in profit. He still owes $100K in taxes.

You seem to have forgotten how math works.

 

[moofafoo]

Please explain further. It didn't make any sense. This is what you claim:

There's a potato farmer who has $500K. He wants to avoid paying taxes, I guess. Maybe taxes would be $100K.

He "donates" that $500k to TSM.

Now he also has jockstraps (these dont really exist). He claims he got them for $1. And TSM buys them from him for $500K.

Now he's made $499,999 in profit. He still owes $100K in taxes.

You seem to have forgotten how math works.

Math has nothing to do with it you moron. You completely missed (on purpose) what I posted. He bills TSM way above market rate. He pockets the difference. Who finds it if it isn't being looked for? No one. These all look like legit expenditures, until one digs.

It doesn't have a GD thing to do with taxes, nor did I mention taxes. You're an idiot.

 

[coveydidnt]

Math has nothing to do with it you moron. You completely missed (on purpose) what I posted. He bills TSM way above market rate. He pockets the difference. Who finds it if it isn't being looked for? No one. These all look like legit expenditures, until one digs.

It doesn't have a GD thing to do with taxes, nor did I mention taxes. You're an idiot.

No he bills TSM above market rate, which is great for him, but he will owe taxes Why does the charity agree & where do they get their money? Theres no laundering unless the corn farmer puts money in & gets it out later, clean. For this to work, the corn farmer has to have a huge pile of off the books cash in the first place. Why would a corn farmer that legitimately makes millions have a stash of illegal money too? You make zero sense.

And do you have any proof?

 

[getmyjive11]

No he bills TSM above market rate, which is great for him, but he will owe taxes Why does the charity agree & where do they get their money? Theres no laundering unless the corn farmer puts money in & gets it out later, clean. For this to work, the corn farmer has to have a huge pile of off the books cash in the first place. Why would a corn farmer that legitimately makes millions have a stash of illegal money too? You make zero sense.

And do you have any proof?

You are talking to someone who legitimately thinks that perhaps the worst pedophile in American history is innocent of all charges. "Reality" to him and many on this board is whatever they make up in their heads. If you don't agree with them, you are called a liar. That's just how crazy people think.

 

[moofafoo]

No he bills TSM above market rate, which is great for him, but he will owe taxes Why does the charity agree & where do they get their money? Theres no laundering unless the corn farmer puts money in & gets it out later, clean. For this to work, the corn farmer has to have a huge pile of off the books cash in the first place. Why would a corn farmer that legitimately makes millions have a stash of illegal money too? You make zero sense.

And do you have any proof?

You evidently failed forensic accounting 101. What does he care about taxes after pocketing an extra 1/2 mill? He pays them.

Here, Bozo...http://www.businessinsider.com/beginners-guide-to-money-laundering-2014-10

The Feds may have the proof. It's how it's done. Go see how "Tony Montana" did it. You can't possibly be this dense, or can you?

 

[bjf1991]

They knew that MM thought it was sexual, that should have been enough to act.

137th time..........in this thread alone


You must go through BOATLOADS of Kleenex and Hand Lotion

 

[coveydidnt]

You evidently failed forensic accounting 101. What does he care about taxes after pocketing an extra 1/2 mill? He pays them.

The Feds may have the proof. It's how it's done. Go see how "Tony Montana" did it. You can't possibly be this dense, or can you?

Where did the "extra" 1/2 million come from? Your imagination I guess. Maybe Tony Montana gave it to him.

But I am glad that you at least have shown you get your facts from 30 year old fictional movies.

 

[moofafoo]

Where did the "extra" 1/2 million come from? Your imagination I guess. Maybe Tony Montana gave it to him.

But I am glad that you at least have shown you get your facts from 30 year old fictional movies.

You've proven you are patently dense.

 

[bjf1991]

Well since you women discussed it, I guess that concludes this topic. Since there was no anal
rape, nothing sexual happened. And you own horses so you know that only horseplay (naked) was
going on. And people like GMJ are just trying to "poison the jury pool" because it would be impossible to find 12 people who don't read this board. You must be a genius. And I assume the other women in your discussion group are also all Mensa members. Do you meet before or after watching Jerry Springer?

(Osprey wet his underpants)

 

[bjf1991]

Because the GJP said it was anal intercourse.

GMJ ain't doing so well on his MENSA exam

 

[coveydidnt]

You've proven you are patently dense.

But you haven't answered where the extra 1/2 million came from. Now we all know what your deal is.

 

[moofafoo]

But you haven't answered where the extra 1/2 million came from. Now we all know what your deal is.

Yes, I did, and gave you a link. "We" who? You are dense.

 

[coveydidnt]

Yes, I did, and gave you a link. "We" who? You are dense.

View embedded media

You went & retroactively added a link. Which proves your level of dishonesty. Still, your bogus link offers no insight on why a corn farmer in central PA would want to launder money. It talks about gangsters from China and Mexico. That's the best you can come up with?

 

[ChiTownLion]

Where did the "extra" 1/2 million come from? Your imagination I guess. Maybe Tony Montana gave it to him.

But I am glad that you at least have shown you get your facts from 30 year old fictional movies.

TSM received money from the state based on the number of foster/at-risk kids they were helping and the so-called costs incurred by TSM. TSM inflated the number of children they supposedly serviced and associated expenditures. Another example, remember the $3 million grant Corbett approved for Jerry's new playhouse in 2011? S&A Homes ring a bell?

 

[coveydidnt]

Word-twister extraordinaire. What's your agenda: you hate intelligent women?

Funny. Do you know of any on this thread?

 

[moofafoo]

You went & retroactively added a link. Which proves your level of dishonesty. Still, your bogus link offers no insight on why a corn farmer in central PA would want to launder money. It talks about gangsters from China and Mexico. That's the best you can come up with?

Nothing dishonest about educating a dolt on that which he doesn't understand, and doesn't want to.