Exactly, there of course are times to be motivated against doubt that comes from a place of doing things a certain way, or right way. The Iowa fans get quite salty over talking about training to improve or not focusing on the win, but getting better.
Indeed, the latter is not sustainable, the former is. Jr once went to a goalie camp held by the great Mitch korn, and he kept saying something I increasingly hear psu’s wrestlers say: “one day better”. In everything.
Seriously doubt it. Most of the better 2025 wrestlers are committed. By the time the 2026 guys can be contacted, this will be long forgotten.
Bingo. It’s wasn’t about protecting his wrestlers. It was about venting his own emotions. A great coach once told me, “If you need to vent your emotions, get yourself a )&&))) therapist. Don’t take it out on the kids and pretend it’s coaching.”
As a diehard Flyers fan, I see this with the Flyers fanbase all the time (which might be the dumbest fanbase in sports, LOL). Any time someone hits a Flyer, there is always an online uproar about getting revenge and going back to the Broad Street Bullies glory days when that would ignite a bench clearing brawl even though that style of hockey has been dead and buried for 20 years, and the league office has made it crystal clear that they will penalize overly rough teams to the point where that style will not win in the current game. None of that matters to the troglodytes, though.
The last time I attended a Flyers game, they went up 2-0 early and everybody sat on their hands. Then a fight broke out, standing ovation. Nobody seemed to care that they blew that lead and lost.
Just look at the "who should replace Brands" type threads on GIA. There is a significant portion of the fanbase who reject any and all "modern training" candidates, not just the PSU guys like DT but also Askren and others with no PSU connection, in favor of more Gable disciples who would inevitably continue the overtraining and win everything at all costs mentality. It wasn't all of them (before jmadden or one of the other more reasonable guys jumps in to correct me...), but it wasn't just one or two, either.
Did you watch the Spencer & Austin documentary? It was good, don’t get me wrong, but throughout I couldn’t help but notice the difference in philosophies from Cael.
That would be nice reward for the 1 seed.
In which case they judged him correctly (leaving aside his behavioral issues).
Don’t misinterpret; I’ve said on this forum for years that there are certain types of wrestlers that are a better fit for the Iowa style. Just pointing out the different philosophy. Couldn’t imagine Cael being attracted to a recruit for how much he beat himself up after a loss.
Are you trying to say Brands recruits losers and Cael recruits winners?
I hear what you’re saying, but I can imagine it, depending on context and everything else. I imagine that Cael sees the whole person and not just one episode or one aspect. I imagine a high schooler might do one thing in high school that some might think is a negative, but Cael might say: for this guy, at that time, it’s not a negative. See Cael’s recent quote: “that’s why he’s Carter Starocci”.
No mysteries about Suriano when he opened his mouth after winning his NC at Michigan. Spouted sour grapes and how the whole world is against him....after a win. He was a stark contrast to Austin DeSanto's interview after he lost to RBY which was compelling, congratulatory and spoke of who he had become via this sport.
Philly has by far the most outrageous fans, except maybe when the Blackhawks and Redwings are playing. I've been in both arenas, and it can be a bloodbath with the fans. Oh yeah, if you were at the old Chicago Stadium, ya better pay someone to watch your car. That Stadium was insane when Detroit was in town.
I lived in Chicago in the late 90s after they moved to the cavernous new arena (which was really needed for Michael Jordan, not the 'Hawks...) and after the Wirtz's had destroyed the product on the ice. It was kind of depressing because the arena was 1/3 or so full for most games, except Detroit (who were perennial Cup contenders in that era), when the crowd was 2/3 Wings fans. It really wasn't right like that.
I can’t find it, but Adam Tirapelle stated that Cael was one of the very few coaches who’d prefer to watch a kid practice and talk to the kid and coaches than watch the kid in a match as the former gave him far more insight than the latter
False. Philly fans are nuts but no more than others. The media piles on to continually reinforce the reputation.
May be true, but they booed Mike Schmidt and Santa Claus. Kensington says hello!
and, has courtroom and jail built into stadium design criteria.
I'm old enough to have seen Jim Martin make an Iowa wrestler quit in Rec Hall, and these things happened before I was born.
Kensington has what to do with the fans exactly?
Well, of course we do. Been there done that while staying at the Pan Pacific. Great times. Today, I wouldn't go to either area. However, they didn't boo Mike or Santa! Lol
I enjoy just about any documentary about wrestling this one was a bit odd. For starters, they covered the entire Spencer and Austin story from the time they were little kids right up till their final season and then they just stopped. Obviously we know how their college careers ended but they could have at least touched on it since it’s a VERY important part of the story. The theme was “overcoming adversity” for heaven’s sake! Also found it odd that Iowa and the BTN are featuring past Hawkeye student athletes instead of the guys in their current lineup.
It's false to say a significant portion of the fanbase based off what a few people say on HR. Most Hawkeye wrestling fans do not post there. I personally know a bunch of Hawkeye fans that would like to have David Taylor as a coach.
well maybe they were winners till they got to iowa!!LOL
I fully agree. Most folks are phenomenal people. That also goes regarding political folks on either side. I'll further add, nothing pisses me off more than folks that believe they're better than others, then mock flyover states. Iowans are great folk. Salt of the earth types. Your board, that's another discussion.
There is certainly a significant portion who are open to it as well. I don't think it's wrong to project percentages of HR preferences onto the fanbase with appropriate caveats. If there are 1/3 of the HR posters oppose Taylor, without better information, I'd say it's reasonable to guess that about 1/3 of the Iowa fanbase opposes it. That is significant, but it also means 2/3 are OK with it.
Austin teaching the young kids in Marinelli’s club about breaking your opponent’s spirit was an eye-opening scene for me. But maybe I’m just a wuss.
