SIAD: Strange TD called back on penalty

[marshall23]

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[CJFisJoePaII]

Thanks.

The NCAA rulebook says an offensive player “is legally on his scrimmage line when he faces his opponent’s goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately parallel thereto and either he is the snapper or his head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the snapper.”

If you look at the replay, it looks to me that Strange's head is aligned with the center's butt, not his hips. This would make him off the LOS. Not by a lot (not a full yard) but probably by about a foot.

Anyway, not a big deal (since PSU scored on the next play); it's just that I feel like I generally know the rules and generally know how they are usually applied so when I see something like this where I'm left thinking "WTF?" I want to make sure it isn't ignorance on my part.

Really? Not according to this experts breakdown of the rule:

The NCAA rulebook defines eligible receivers for college football in Rule 7, Section 3, Article 3.[1] The determining factors are the player's position on the field at the snap and their jersey number. Specifically, any players on offense wearing numbers between 50 and 79 are always ineligible. All defensive players are eligible receivers and offensive players who are not wearing an ineligible number are eligible receivers if they meet one of the following three criteria:

• Player is at either end of the group of players on the line of scrimmage (wide receivers and/or tight ends)
• Player is lined up at least one yard behind the line of scrimmage (running backs, fullbacks, slot receivers, etc.)
• Player is positioned to receive a hand-to-hand snap from the center (almost always the quarterback)

This rules expert lists the requirements identical to what I've described (see point #2 below paragragh). I don't see anything in the detailed rule description that looks anything like what you've described.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Really? Not according to this experts breakdown of the rule:

The NCAA rulebook defines eligible receivers for college football in Rule 7, Section 3, Article 3.[1] The determining factors are the player's position on the field at the snap and their jersey number. Specifically, any players on offense wearing numbers between 50 and 79 are always ineligible. All defensive players are eligible receivers and offensive players who are not wearing an ineligible number are eligible receivers if they meet one of the following three criteria:

• Player is at either end of the group of players on the line of scrimmage (wide receivers and/or tight ends)
• Player is lined up at least one yard behind the line of scrimmage (running backs, fullbacks, slot receivers, etc.)
• Player is positioned to receive a hand-to-hand snap from the center (almost always the quarterback)

This rules expert lists the requirements identical to what I've described (see point #2 below paragragh). I don't see anything in the detailed rule description that looks anything like what you've described.

Bushwood, time to find a better “expert”…read the actual rule book and you’ll find the actual rule.

Wowzers…I just realized you’re trying to use Wikipedia as your source, and arguing with people that actually know the rules and read the rule book.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Or should Dotson have taken a step back? This angle is not right Didn't matter as Dotson scored. But still a great play and one I haven't seen at PSU if ever.

One or the other had to back up…doesn’t matter which one (from a rules standpoint).

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Here is a second expert source interpreting the NCAA Eligible Receiver Rules: https://www.rookieroad.com/football...eligible-receiver-rules/#rules-of-eligibility

Under the NCAA Section, it says the EXACT SAME THING as the reference I just posted - identical including three bullets - one for eligible numbers, one for all players lined up at least one yard from LOS and one for QB (I can't cut-&-paste from this reference as it won't allow it, so you'll have to look in link I provided.).

 

[Erial_Lion]

Here is a second expert source interpreting the NCAA Eligible Receiver Rules: https://www.rookieroad.com/football...eligible-receiver-rules/#rules-of-eligibility

Under the NCAA Section, it says the EXACT SAME THING as the reference I just posted - identical including three bullets - one for eligible numbers, one for all players lined up at least one yard from LOS and one for QB (I can't cut-&-paste from this reference as it won't allow it, so you'll have to look in link I provided.).

Holy crap…just stop digging. Finding a site that looks like a middle school web project is more reliable than actually reading the 2021 NCAA Rule Book?

Hint…check out Rule 2.27.4.a(2)

 

[PSU2UNC]

Really? Not according to this experts breakdown of the rule:

The NCAA rulebook defines eligible receivers for college football in Rule 7, Section 3, Article 3.[1] The determining factors are the player's position on the field at the snap and their jersey number. Specifically, any players on offense wearing numbers between 50 and 79 are always ineligible. All defensive players are eligible receivers and offensive players who are not wearing an ineligible number are eligible receivers if they meet one of the following three criteria:

• Player is at either end of the group of players on the line of scrimmage (wide receivers and/or tight ends)
• Player is lined up at least one yard behind the line of scrimmage (running backs, fullbacks, slot receivers, etc.)
• Player is positioned to receive a hand-to-hand snap from the center (almost always the quarterback)

This rules expert lists the requirements identical to what I've described (see point #2 below paragragh). I don't see anything in the detailed rule description that looks anything like what you've described.

I think there is a difference between how the rule is written and how it is common implemented.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Bushwood, time to find a better “expert”…read the actual rule book and you’ll find the actual rule.

Wowzers…I just realized you’re trying to use Wikipedia as your source, and arguing with people that actually know the rules and read the rule book.

Dare I make one correction. A player wearing 50-79 can be eligible if he reports as an eligible receiver to the officials and lines up in an eligible position.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Dare I make one correction. A player wearing 50-79 can be eligible if he reports as an eligible receiver to the officials and lines up in an eligible position.

That’s not an option in college..it’s NFL specific.

 

[The Spin Meister]

That’s not an option in college..it’s NFL specific.

So there are no tackle eligible plays unless one wears a different jersey?

 

[Erial_Lion]

So there are no tackle eligible plays unless one wears a different jersey?

Correct…they’d need to switch jersey numbers (and report it to the officials).

Not sure if you should take my word for it (or the NCAA Rule book’s word); probably need to run it by Bushwood’s “experts” at Wikipedia.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Correct…they’d need to switch jersey numbers (and report it to the officials).

Not sure if you should take my word for it (or the NCAA Rule book’s word); probably need to run it by Bushwood’s “experts” at Wikipedia.

See......you were being so nice for a moment.....

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Holy crap…just stop digging. Finding a site that looks like a middle school web project is more reliable than actually reading the 2021 NCAA Rule Book?

Hint…check out Rule 2.27.4.a(2)

Ya know, one can always download and then read the actual rule book if they are so inclined to post the correct rules.

Lineman and Back ARTICLE 4. a. Lineman. 1. A lineman is any Team A player legally on their scrimmage line (Rule 2-21-2). 2. A Team A player is legally on the scrimmage line when facing their opponent’s goal line with the line of their shoulders approximately parallel thereto and either (a) they are the snapper (Rule 2-27-8) or (b) their head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the snapper. b. Interior Lineman. An interior lineman is a lineman who is not on the end of their scrimmage line. c. Restricted Lineman. A restricted lineman is any interior lineman, or any lineman wearing a number 50-79, whose hand(s) are below the knees. d. Back. 1. A back is any Team A player who is not a lineman and whose head or shoulder does not break the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the nearest Team A lineman. 2. A back is also the player in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap. 3. A lineman becomes a back before the snap when they move to a position as a back and stops.

NCAA Publications - 2021 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations

2021 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations

www.ncaapublications.com

 

[Erial_Lion]

See......you were being so nice for a moment.....

Instead, I go and act like a Shizholian…

 

[PSU2UNC]

Ya know, one can always download and then read the actual rule book if they are so inclined to post the correct rules.

Lineman and Back ARTICLE 4. a. Lineman. 1. A lineman is any Team A player legally on their scrimmage line (Rule 2-21-2). 2. A Team A player is legally on the scrimmage line when facing their opponent’s goal line with the line of their shoulders approximately parallel thereto and either (a) they are the snapper (Rule 2-27-8) or (b) their head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the snapper. b. Interior Lineman. An interior lineman is a lineman who is not on the end of their scrimmage line. c. Restricted Lineman. A restricted lineman is any interior lineman, or any lineman wearing a number 50-79, whose hand(s) are below the knees. d. Back. 1. A back is any Team A player who is not a lineman and whose head or shoulder does not break the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the nearest Team A lineman. 2. A back is also the player in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap. 3. A lineman becomes a back before the snap when they move to a position as a back and stops.

NCAA Publications - 2021 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations

2021 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations

www.ncaapublications.com

Thanks. Isn't this: "A back is any Team A player who is not a lineman and whose head or shoulder does not break the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the nearest Team A lineman. "
exactly what I said above and was shouted down by others?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Thanks. Isn't this: "A back is any Team A player who is not a lineman and whose head or shoulder does not break the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the nearest Team A lineman. "
exactly what I said above and was shouted down by others?

“Others”? Or just Bushwood?