Singleton and Kaytron both coming back next year?

[WPB_lion]

Even some improvement doesn't make up for the loss of Warren. You need an elite guy. No one on our roster or that we've added has that potential so far.

If we became a run heavy offense which is what you're suggesting...how does that help Allar? This is a vacuum. This is strictly about Allar's decision to return and the benefits to him. Not the offense or how it helps Penn State. This is strictly about does it benefit Allar to come back. For it to do so, his draft stock has to rise drastically in a better QB class. How does that happen with the roster we have?

If the offense is better next year, his draft stock will rise because he is the leader of the offense.

 

[LandoComando]

If the offense is better next year, his draft stock will rise.

How? It's a weaker QB class this year where he might be QB1 after the combine
He's not going to have elite numbers in our system--he didn't this year either--simple because we aren't Oregon

Here's an honest question...if this is about Drew and his draft stock should he return or should his agent call Ohio State to play with Smith & Tate? If you were Drew and only worried about Drew would you stay here or go to a more prolific pass offense to showcase your skills instead of having you try to run Zone Read?

 

[marshall23]

True but RB is the one place a freshman can come in and be ready, see NS and KA as freshmen. 2 good ones coming in, two from last year, one from the year before that. Even if two leave I think they still have 3 quality ones behind them.

I can see investing NIL to keep 1. NIL money doesn't grow on trees. Assuming Allar is receiving a tidy sum, there are many to feed and no one to multiply the "loaves and fishes."

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

You assume no improvement by the current receivers. Possible, but I believe some improvement is likely. You also fail to take into account ann improved, more experienced offensive line will give Allar more time to find open receivers and more time for the receivers to get open. A better run offense makes the defense defend the run more which opens up the passing game. You cannot look at things in a vacuum.

He also fails to take into account that our #2 TE (Dinkins is a RS Jr) and #3 TE (Luke Reynolds was a True Freshman this year!) have looked extremely effective, so I'm not sure what dip-$hit is blathering about.

 

[bono47]

Why is EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD. TAKEN. OVER. BY. THE. SAME. PROBLEM?

 

[LandoComando]

Why is EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD. TAKEN. OVER. BY. THE. SAME. PROBLEM?

The obsession with me--I don't know

 

[bdgan]

If we win the natty in a few weeks all three may leave with a couple others.

If we lose this week most if not all will return for unfinished business.

A big question is if they do win it all how much does their NIL go up? If money pours in they could win the title and still come back another year.

I assume most star players have already been negotiating NIL and salary money for 2025. There are only 4 teams still playing and players are making decisions as we speak. Current players can't afford to wait a few more weeks to begin their negotiations.

NIL math is beyond my comprehension but here's a wild guess.

Allar $2 million
Singleton $1 million
Allen $800k
Wallace $400k
Evans $300k
Reynolds $300k
5 OL $1 million ($200k each)
Starting offense $5.8 million

Sutton $800k
Vanover $200k
Thomas $200k
Durant $500k
Rojas $300k
Deluca $200k
Robinson $100k
Harris $600k
Miller $300k
Washington $300k
Wheatley $300k
Starting Defense $3.8 million

K, H, P, LS $200k

That's pretty close to $10 million just for the starters. Second teamers must get at least $3 million. Not many of the 27 freshmen didn't come for free. The 18 4 star prospects are probably getting $100k each or $1.8 million. Let's say the 9 lower rated players are getting $25k each or $500k.

I'm obviously guessing but we're already up to $15 million. I assume we're still looking for an impact WR and LB that could be another $500k each.

That's why I was surprised to see Allar return and I'd be surprised to see Singleton return. Those guys don't come cheap and somehow we need to free up NIL $$$ to attract key players. Of course I haven't considered salaries paid directly by the university but our competitors get that too. I assume that just drives the total compensation figures up for everybody.

 

[Kasparaitis]

Why is EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD. TAKEN. OVER. BY. THE. SAME. PROBLEM?

Don’t worry, I’m sure it will go away in a few days when he returns to his make believe job, right? After all he’s not a troll. He’s a high powered corporate attorney who spends all day saying the same things over and over 20,000 times on a football message board.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Don’t worry, I’m sure it will go away in a few days when he returns to his make believe job, right? After all he’s not a troll. He’s a high powered corporate attorney who spends all day saying the same things over and over 20,000 times on a football message board.

He would go away if you and others put him on ignore and quit feeding his ego. You ….and a couple others….are as much of the problem as he is.

 

[Kasparaitis]

He would go away if you and others put him on ignore and quit feeding his ego. You ….and a couple others….are as much of the problem as he is.

I’m not a big fan of this ignore feature. It’s clunky. However, since almost everyone seems to have figured out this guy’s schtick by now I will acquiesce to your wishes.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I’m not a big fan of this ignore feature. It’s clunky. However, since almost everyone seems to have figured out this guy’s schtick by now I will acquiesce to your wishes.

I don’t like it especially because you will not see entire threads started by someone on ignore. But when one constantly hijack thread after thread it’s best to do so……Unless you have the discipline to just not reply to his posts.

 

[Kasparaitis]

I don’t like it especially because you will not see entire threads started by someone on ignore. But when one constantly hijack thread after thread it’s best to do so……Unless you have the discipline to just not reply to his posts.

Since you are one of the top posters on the board, your wish is my command. I now have a List Of Three. Happy New Year!

 

[The Spin Meister]

Since you are one of the top posters on the board, your wish is my command. I now have a List Of Three. Happy New Year!

What an honor. I actually don’t post that much here because most of the others are so much more knowledgeable on college football. Plus, if someone already made the point I was going to make…..no need to be redundant.

 

[PSU4U]

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We hope and pray.

 

[Kasparaitis]

What an honor. I actually don’t post that much here because most of the others are so much more knowledgeable on college football. Plus, if someone already made the point I was going to make…..no need to be redundant.

I have always enjoyed this site because in addition to football news you can learn some things and laugh at some things. Your posts are often more interesting than how many holding penalties are called against Wisconsin.

 

[LMTLION]

I assume most star players have already been negotiating NIL and salary money for 2025. There are only 4 teams still playing and players are making decisions as we speak. Current players can't afford to wait a few more weeks to begin their negotiations.

NIL math is beyond my comprehension but here's a wild guess.

Allar $2 million
Singleton $1 million
Allen $800k
Wallace $400k
Evans $300k
Reynolds $300k
5 OL $1 million ($200k each)
Starting offense $5.8 million

Sutton $800k
Vanover $200k
Thomas $200k
Durant $500k
Rojas $300k
Deluca $200k
Robinson $100k
Harris $600k
Miller $300k
Washington $300k
Wheatley $300k
Starting Defense $3.8 million

K, H, P, LS $200k

That's pretty close to $10 million just for the starters. Second teamers must get at least $3 million. Not many of the 27 freshmen didn't come for free. The 18 4 star prospects are probably getting $100k each or $1.8 million. Let's say the 9 lower rated players are getting $25k each or $500k.

I'm obviously guessing but we're already up to $15 million. I assume we're still looking for an impact WR and LB that could be another $500k each.

That's why I was surprised to see Allar return and I'd be surprised to see Singleton return. Those guys don't come cheap and somehow we need to free up NIL $$$ to attract key players. Of course I haven't considered salaries paid directly by the university but our competitors get that too. I assume that just drives the total compensation figures up for everybody.

Good estimates in my opinion. Depending on what happens in the next two games, Allar may be worth even more!

 

[Pale ryder]

He would go away if you and others put him on ignore and quit feeding his ego. You ….and a couple others….are as much of the problem as he is.

^THIS^