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So it sounds like the "false narrative" is now the truth...

How could they 'prove' they DID contact CYS, when CYS's system purges any claim not acted upon? There is no 'proof' as the trail was completely wiped clean!

This fact is one that so many here have forgotten, or willingly chose to forget or ignore, to fit their agenda. And this was revealed before JS's trial, and was discussed during the trial... so don't come back and say that isn't the case.

TSM was the mandatory reporting agency, not PSU. As soon as Curley called TSM The State's case had no standing, but the corrupt judicial system in PA had to keep this going. Curley and Schultz pled to keep from facing a jury so corrupted by the media you would have to go to Jupiter to find someone who didn't know about this case.

Exactly! One of the possible outcomes if a report was made to CC CYS in 2001 was the record being expunged. So it would be impossible to prove a report wasn't made simply by pointing to there being no record of it.

I posted this in the other thread but think it bears repeating here to provide some context as to what type of jury these guys were most likely to see:

You know what today's news just reminded me of? I believe is was research done by the CSS defense (or maybe JS' lawyers?) where they did some jury pool research. Their results were frightening.

I don't have the pic handy but there was a question that said:

"Even if the Penn State officials like Curley and Schultz did nothing illegal, they still should be punished".

The results were Daulphin: 46.9%; Luzerne: 55.0%; Chester 50.0%; Erie: 64.2%


Those numbers would scare the heck out of anyone potentially going into that type of jury pool (thanks Freeh!!).

I don't know how anyone could argue with a straight face that C/S/S would get an unbiased jury.
 
Curley & Schultz throw in the towel.

Spanier about to get lit up in court in front of a jury.

No "Feds" investigating TSM or their BOD.

Freeh for all intents and purposes protected by a PA judge's ruling.

McQueary walks off with millions based on an ever changing story.

Sadly, PA youth are no safer today than when Jerry was roaming the streets because real lessons on the failure of the system intended to protect then have not been learned.

The OGBOT comes out unscathed.

The Alumni trustees elected to the BOT go silent... What happened to getting to the truth?

The Paterno family case marches on but what are they hoping to achieve? How long before they call it a day and move on?

In light of this trail of history... As much as I hate to say this... maybe the OGBOT did exactly the right thing for the greater good of PSU, they broke off all ties with the past and moved forward with new leadership. PSU can always emphasize "Success with Honor" but there is now no conceivable way I can see Joe Paterno ever being honored or getting credit for it.

The only possible good that comes from where we are... After more than five years we may finally be able to close the book on this mess. Thanks Jerry Sandusky. I hope it was all worth it for you.

What a tragedy!!
You summed up my own feelings perfectly. What happens going forward I have no interest in. I'm putting this and Penn State in my rear view window now. Way more important things for each of us to worry about or focus upon in our lives.
 
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You summed up my own feelings perfectly. What happens going forward I have no interest in. I'm putting this and Penn State in my rear view window now. Way more important things for each of us to worry about or focus upon in our lives.

I thought you put Penn State in your rear-view mirror in 2013.
 
Curley & Schultz throw in the towel.

Spanier about to get lit up in court in front of a jury.

No "Feds" investigating TSM or their BOD.

Freeh for all intents and purposes protected by a PA judge's ruling.

McQueary walks off with millions based on an ever changing story.

Sadly, PA youth are no safer today than when Jerry was roaming the streets because real lessons on the failure of the system intended to protect then have not been learned.

The OGBOT comes out unscathed.

The Alumni trustees elected to the BOT go silent... What happened to getting to the truth?

The Paterno family case marches on but what are they hoping to achieve? How long before they call it a day and move on?

In light of this trail of history... As much as I hate to say this... maybe the OGBOT did exactly the right thing for the greater good of PSU, they broke off all ties with the past and moved forward with new leadership. PSU can always emphasize "Success with Honor" but there is now no conceivable way I can see Joe Paterno ever being honored or getting credit for it.

The only possible good that comes from where we are... After more than five years we may finally be able to close the book on this mess. Thanks Jerry Sandusky. I hope it was all worth it for you.

What a tragedy!!
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How could they 'prove' they DID contact CYS, when CYS's system purges any claim not acted upon? There is no 'proof' as the trail was completely wiped clean!

This fact is one that so many here have forgotten, or willingly chose to forget or ignore, to fit their agenda. And this was revealed before JS's trial, and was discussed during the trial... so don't come back and say that isn't the case.

TSM was the mandatory reporting agency, not PSU. As soon as Curley called TSM The State's case had no standing, but the corrupt judicial system in PA had to keep this going. Curley and Schultz pled to keep from facing a jury so corrupted by the media you would have to go to Jupiter to find someone who didn't know about this case.

So then they'll testify to that against GS? No phone records or written documents stating otherwise? TSM or not, they weren't charged.
 
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I thought you put Penn State in your rear-view mirror in 2013.
True, with regard to the University leadership. Here I'm referring to anymore emotional attachment and worrying so much about this scandal and things out of my control. Just tired of the whole thing, I guess. Easy for me to say (and probably for reasons you just noted in a post above), but I just wish CS had seen this thing through to the end. Have a good day, Bob.
 
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How could they 'prove' they DID contact CYS, when CYS's system purges any claim not acted upon? There is no 'proof' as the trail was completely wiped clean!

This fact is one that so many here have forgotten, or willingly chose to forget or ignore, to fit their agenda. And this was revealed before JS's trial, and was discussed during the trial... so don't come back and say that isn't the case.

TSM was the mandatory reporting agency, not PSU. As soon as Curley called TSM The State's case had no standing, but the corrupt judicial system in PA had to keep this going. Curley and Schultz pled to keep from facing a jury so corrupted by the media you would have to go to Jupiter to find someone who didn't know about this case.

That ain't going to cut it. Have you read Curley's grand jury testimony?





So what did Curley tell the head of TSM? "Jerry was horsin' around with the kid in the shower." Was the head of TSM mandated to report Sandusky to CYS for horsing around?

A child was in danger and Curley failed to report it. He knows it's the truth, that's why he plead guilty.
 
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What was "there" has been there from the get-go. The incident wasn't reported to the appropriate authorities, and no effort was made to locate the kid for possible therapy...if it was called for. That, apparently, is (by definition) "Child Endangerment". So...if you see your neighbor beating his kid, you'd better call the cops. IMO, the bottom line...as already noted...is that all the "conspiracy to protect the football program" nonsense went out the window.
No, it's only been inflamed. It's not fair--but when folks see guilty once, they see guilty everywhere.
 
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So C/S were convinced by the prosecution and their own lawyers that going to trial could be a crap shoot and however unlikely, there was a chance that they would be found guilty and spend some real jail time. So the chance of real jail time (let's say that chance was told to them of less than 5%) was enough for C/S to plead guilty to a charge that the judge and prosecution agreed would be a fine and house arrest and/or some type of probation(never seeing a jail). C/S agree to that even though it kills their reputation as in the end, they don't care about their reputation as both are retired, have plenty of money, and other than a select group of PSU alums and centre county people, nobody will know who they are to 'scorn' them.

Spanier is either going to take a similar deal for the same reason or he is going to fight because (1) he has no deal from the prosecution or (2) he cares more about his reputation and is not going to plead guilty to something he felt he is not guilty of.
 
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Spanier is either going to take a similar deal for the same reason or he is going to fight because (1) he has no deal from the prosecution or (2) he cares more about his reputation and is not going to plead guilty to something he felt he is not guilty of.
Or possibly (3) he feels it's a witch hunt and wants to name names and bring the house of cards down while setting the record straight. One can only hope.
 
Exactly! One of the possible outcomes if a report was made to CC CYS in 2001 was the record being expunged. So it would be impossible to prove a report wasn't made simply by pointing to there being no record of it.

I posted this in the other thread but think it bears repeating here to provide some context as to what type of jury these guys were most likely to see:

You know what today's news just reminded me of? I believe is was research done by the CSS defense (or maybe JS' lawyers?) where they did some jury pool research. Their results were frightening.

I don't have the pic handy but there was a question that said:

"Even if the Penn State officials like Curley and Schultz did nothing illegal, they still should be punished".

The results were Daulphin: 46.9%; Luzerne: 55.0%; Chester 50.0%; Erie: 64.2%


Those numbers would scare the heck out of anyone potentially going into that type of jury pool (thanks Freeh!!).

I don't know how anyone could argue with a straight face that C/S/S would get an unbiased jury.

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That ain't going to cut it. Have you read Curley's grand jury testimony?





So what did Curley tell the head of TSM? "Jerry was horsin' around with the kid in the shower." Was the head of TSM mandated to report Sandusky to CYS for horsing around?

A child was in danger and Curley failed to report it. He knows it's the truth, that's why he plead guilty.
That testimony sounds consistent with what V2/Alan Myers is on the record saying.
 

What, if anything, is wrong with this?

Specifically, to point (1) If they didn't do anything exactly illegal, but was morally wrong or questionable, why shouldn't they be punished (loss of job, pension, or whatever)?

Points 2,3,4 seem, to the contrary to be exactly what they plead to.

If 70% or so of people believe the truth, is the truth not the truth?

I am flabbergasted!

Also, If interested in "truth" why do the excerpted pages posted here not include the stats for Centre County? [Answer - maybe the poster & the creator of those pages doesn't really care about truth]
 
Never fear .... Wick Sollers may someday yet release his "indisputable evidence" that Joe didn't know about 2001 in 1998.

59 months (and counting) ........
And we're still waiting for evidence of conspiracy promulgated by freeh, especially relative to joe. 60 months and counting.
 
So what did Curley tell the head of TSM? "Jerry was horsin' around with the kid in the shower." Was the head of TSM mandated to report Sandusky to CYS for horsing around?

A child was in danger and Curley failed to report it. He knows it's the truth, that's why he plead guilty.

It's been repeated over and over, it DOESN'T MATTER what Curley told Raykovitz/TSM, TSM was required to look into and report any and all incidents no matter how benign they sounded or what TC's untrained opinion was. TSM was required to look into any and all incidents by virtue of their licensing by the state and the fact that they were mandatory reports with legal responsibility for TSM kids JS was hanging around with.


Thanks @wensilver ! That's what I was looking for.

Although I really wanted them to take this to court, I don't blame them at all for not wanting to dip their toes into that jury pool.
 
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What, if anything, is wrong with this?

Specifically, to point (1) If they didn't do anything exactly illegal, but was morally wrong or questionable, why shouldn't they be punished (loss of job, pension, or whatever)?

Points 2,3,4 seem, to the contrary to be exactly what they plead to.

If 70% or so of people believe the truth, is the truth not the truth?

I am flabbergasted!

Also, If interested in "truth" why do the excerpted pages posted here not include the stats for Centre County? [Answer - maybe the poster & the creator of those pages doesn't really care about truth]

Didn't at one point 100% of those on earth thought the world was flat?
Didn't at one point nearly everyone felt that man would never learn to get off the ground?
Didn't at one point a majority felt that man would never set foot on the moon?
Didn't at one point a majority of whites felt that slavery was ok?
So no, if 70% or so of people believe the truth, it is not necessarily the truth. It's just the majority's viewpoint not necessarily the truth.
 
Didn't at one point 100% of those on earth thought the world was flat?
Didn't at one point nearly everyone felt that man would never learn to get off the ground?
Didn't at one point a majority felt that man would never set foot on the moon?
Didn't at one point a majority of whites felt that slavery was ok?
So no, if 70% or so of people believe the truth, it is not necessarily the truth. It's just the majority's viewpoint not necessarily the truth.

True. But C & S just pled guilty.
 
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I don't think they are going to take the stand for the state and say GS knew nothing. I think there is a reason why these two flipped together. I know the corrupt PA judicial card is an easy one to play on this site, but at what point are some going to question those feeding them this stuff. Maybe they don't toss GS under the table, maybe he doesn't plea out and wins his case,,,,,but this certainly feels like a nail in that coffin from where I am sitting. The discovery was done and their lawyers knew what the state had....so why flip if it was nothing at all. There was some legs to it...whether or not we want to believe it or not. Something was there.

Certainly something was there to build a case. But we should have expected that long ago.

We still don't know where all this will come out. And it seems many of our presumptions have been wrong time and time again.
 
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Certainly something was there to build a case. But we should have expected that long ago.

We still don't know where all this will come out. And it seems many of our presumptions have been wrong time and time again.
True, but I think at some point you have to consider something for what it is. I'll say this right now if C/S testify against GS and it doesn't paint a rosy picture...they too will become public enemy around here to certain people. No matter what, some will kick the can further down the road.
 
True, but I think at some point you have to consider something for what it is.

No question about it. Two administrators stood in court and said they did wrong in the way they handled the Sandusky situation and it endangered children in a way that's criminally punishable. I expected PSU, or PSU personnel, had culpability in all this. But I'm still waiting for more information to provide more clarity.

This is a disappointing day.
 
True, but I think at some point you have to consider something for what it is. I'll say this right now if C/S testify against GS and it doesn't paint a rosy picture...they too will become public enemy around here to certain people. No matter what, some will kick the can further down the road.

Maybe you edited. I only responded to the first sentence about considering something for what it is.

I hope they testify as I want to hear what they have to say-- especially if it differs from what we heard before. We'll see where the can goes.
 
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I think you'll see more tinfoil now in this place than you ever have before sadly. There are no winners in cases like this. Jerry ruined the victims lives as well as so many more than that but we still have f--king loons here fighting for that man. You think this stops them? I too thought maybe the 3 were just caught up in a witch hunt, but I'm starting to realize that maybe they had a better handle on the 98 situation than we were led to believe.

Since Day One I've wondered why the PSU administrators, knowing, as Curley stated they did, about the 1998 investigation when McQueary made his report to them in 2001, chose to report what they were told only to TSM in the person of Jack Raykovitz, and not also to the PA DPW.

True, they were not mandated reporters and they would've known the 1998 investigation had cleared Sandusky of any wrongdoing. But the fact remains they would've also known that they now had a second report, from a presumably credible source, of that same individual in a locked, limited-access building at or about 10:00 o'clock at night, naked in the showers possibly engaging in sexual activity with a young boy. Given their knowledge of 1998, why did they not choose to act out of an abundance of caution, with a primary view to the protection of innocent children, and make a concurrent report to DPW? No 20/20 hindsight would've been required to make that choice. The fact that a report was made to mandated reporter Raykovitz, thus enlarging the circle of those who were aware of what had transpired, without an ability to control what Raykovitz might subsequently do with their information, indicates to me there was no intent-to-conceal with a view to protecting anyone or anything -- in particular the PSU football program. In the event, mandated-reporter Raykovitz apparently chose not to even discuss the double-hearsay report he received from PSU with the SM Board, much less report anything to DPW. Which, I assume, was completely legal. Not even mandated reporters were required to report hearsay. Which in turn, would lead a reasonable person to conclude that the good Doctor Raykovitz saw no potential EWOC resulting from a failure to forward his newly-acquired Sandusky information up the line.

That he has never been charged with any crime for his omission begs the question of
why the PA OAG apparently believes the Raykovitz failure to report Sandusky hearsay differs in some material way from the PSU administrators' failure to report it, a difference requiring charges to be brought in the PSU case but not against Raykovitz.

My own thought has always been that CSS made a mistake in judgment in not
reporting what McQueary told them to DPW right away. But mistakes in judgement
are not crimes and, unlike Raykovitz, they were not mandated reporters.

So why no EWOC charges, ever, against Jack Raykovitz, who was every bit as privy to the content of the McQueary report as were Gary Shultz and Tim Curley but did nothing to report it up the line, or even bring it to the attention of TSM Board -- and why the sudden guilty plea on the parts of Curley and Shultz as opposed to telling the OAG to "prove it in court..." ?
 
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Since Day One I've wondered why the PSU administrators, knowing, as Curley stated they did, about the 1998 investigation when McQueary made his report to them in 2001, chose to report what they were told only to TSM in the person of Jack Raykovitz, and not also to the PA DPW. True, they were not mandated reporters and they would've known the 1998 investigation had cleared Sandusky of any wrongdoing. But the fact remains they would've also known that they now had a second report, albeit a possibly inconsistent hearsay one, of that same individual in a locked, limited-access building at or about 10:00 o'clock at night, naked in the showers possibly engaging in sexual activity with a young boy. Given their knowledge of 1998, why did they not choose to act out of an abundance of caution, with a primary view to the protection of innocent children, and make a concurrent report to DPW? No 20/20 hindsight would've been required to make that choice. The fact that a report was made to mandated reporter Raykovitz, thus enlarging the circle of those who were aware of what had transpired, without an ability to control what Raykovitz might subsequently do with the information, indicates to me there was no intent-to-conceal to protect anyone or anything -- in particular the PSU football program. In the event, mandated-reporter Raykovitz apparently chose not to even discuss the double-hearsay report he received from PSU with the SM Board, much less report anything to DPW. Which, I assume, was completely legal. Not even mandated reporters were required to report hearsay. Which in turn, would lead a reasonable person to conclude that the good Doctor Raykovitz saw no potential EWOC resulting from a failure to forward his newly-acquired Sandusky information up the line.

That he has never been charged with any crime for his omission begs the question of
why the PA OAG apparently believes the Raykovitz failure to report hearsay differs in some material way from the PSU administrators' failure to report it, a difference requiring charges to be brought in the PSU case but not against Raykovitz.

My own thought has always been that CSS made a mistake in judgment in not
reporting what McQueary told them to DPW right away. But mistakes in judgement
are not crimes and, unlike Raykovitz, they were not mandated reporters.

So why no EWOC charges, ever, against Jack Raykovitz, who was every bit as privy to the contents of the McQueary report as were Gary Shultz and Tim Curley but did nothing to report them up the line, or even bring them to the attention of TSM Board -- and why the sudden guilty plea on the parts of Curley and Shultz as opposed to telling the OAG to "prove it in court..." ?
I have no idea why Jack or TSM slid under the radar. Were they in the loop in 98 too? How much did they shred? None of that really matters. The "humane" approach was the wrong one apparently even it wasn't meant on purpose. I'll see if the GS trial even occurs now, but I have my doubts when these two folded. I have a feeling they aren't going to be defense witnesses any longer.
 
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I have no idea why Jack or TSM slid under the radar. Were they in the loop in 98 too? How much did they shred? None of that really matters. The "humane" approach was the wrong one apparently even it wasn't meant on purpose. I'll see if the GS trial even occurs now, but I have my doubts when these two folded. I have a feeling they aren't going to be defense witnesses any longer.

Agree that, "Should we take a humane approach to this for Sandusky's sake?" was absolutely the wrong question to ask given what they already knew was in his past. The right one was, "Should we do whatever we can to protect innocent children from possible sexual exploitation?". Again, no 20/20 hindsight necessary. You can't help wondering what their upward-reporting approach might've been had McQueary seen someone not named Jerry Sandusky in that identical situation, then made the same kind of report to them as he did the Sandusky case.
 
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Agree that, "Should we take a humane approach to this for Sandusky's sake?" was absolutely the wrong question to ask given what they already knew was in his past. The right one was, "Should we do whatever we can to protect innocent children from possible sexual exploitation"? Again, no 20/20 hindsight necessary. You can't help wondering what their reporting approach might've been had McQueary seen someone not named Jerry Sandusky in that identical situation and made the same report to them that he did.

that was a question that was discussed ad nauseum back when this all came out and I don't think there was ever a good reason other than a lack of good judgement by C/S/S. I never really was high on that theory as Dranov, MM, and John McQueary all then had to also agree and one would think that one of them would have stepped up and said "no" we have to do more. I always wondered if C/S/S (or somebody) knew more about 1998 then was published and there was some kind of cover up in play in 1998 that was found out in 2001 and subsequently buried. If C/S/S were going to cover it up, they would not have told Raykovitz. Plus they would have told John and Mike McQueary a different story like they told the Police or DPW and it was out of their hands now to the authorities. That way JM and MM would have reason to believe that the authorities were contacted and would have no reason to pursue further (ie...the cover-up). but that never happened.
 
I have no idea why Jack or TSM slid under the radar. Were they in the loop in 98 too? How much did they shred? None of that really matters. The "humane" approach was the wrong one apparently even it wasn't meant on purpose. I'll see if the GS trial even occurs now, but I have my doubts when these two folded. I have a feeling they aren't going to be defense witnesses any longer.

None of that really matters? Of course it matters! The fact that JR continues to avoid any culpability for Sandusky is absurd. Currently college administrators are being held to a much higher standard than a licensed child psychologist. Saying that you have no idea why Raykovitz or TSM slid under the radar is disingenuous. Anyone with half a brain who has followed this saga can figure out the powerful people are protecting JR and the TSM. The pertinent question is why?

Anyone who cares about protecting children should be outraged at the lack of scrutiny given to TSM and state child welfare agencies in regards to this case.
 
I get all of this and I'm not saying it is without merit. But some of you are going on the premise that CS really believe they're guilty. They may be indeed, but why are some of you ruling out any possibility that they just didn't want to take the risk of a jury trial.
 
I get all of this and I'm not saying it is without merit. But some of you are going on the premise that CS really believe they're guilty. They may be indeed, but why are some of you ruling out any possibility that they just didn't want to take the risk of a jury trial.
Their lawyers must suck too? If their lawyers thought the state had nothing, why would they allow them to fold? It is possible for sure, but I think if GS goes to trial....more will come out.
 
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Curley & Schultz throw in the towel.

Spanier about to get lit up in court in front of a jury.

No "Feds" investigating TSM or their BOD.

Freeh for all intents and purposes protected by a PA judge's ruling.

McQueary walks off with millions based on an ever changing story.

Sadly, PA youth are no safer today than when Jerry was roaming the streets because real lessons on the failure of the system intended to protect then have not been learned.

The OGBOT comes out unscathed.

The Alumni trustees elected to the BOT go silent... What happened to getting to the truth?

The Paterno family case marches on but what are they hoping to achieve? How long before they call it a day and move on?

In light of this trail of history... As much as I hate to say this... maybe the OGBOT did exactly the right thing for the greater good of PSU, they broke off all ties with the past and moved forward with new leadership. PSU can always emphasize "Success with Honor" but there is now no conceivable way I can see Joe Paterno ever being honored or getting credit for it.

The only possible good that comes from where we are... After more than five years we may finally be able to close the book on this mess. Thanks Jerry Sandusky. I hope it was all worth it for you.

What a tragedy!!
 
Their lawyers must suck too? If their lawyers thought the state had nothing, why would they allow them to fold? It is possible for sure, but I think if GS goes to trial....more will come out.

Uhh, did you see the pic that Wendy posted earlier in the thread that showed the polling of people in various counties? Most folks would not want to put their future in that kind of jury pool.
 
Their lawyers must suck too? If their lawyers thought the state had nothing, why would they allow them to fold? It is possible for sure, but I think if GS goes to trial....more will come out.
Maybe the AG needed something after all this time so they offered a sweetheart deal to save face.
 
Curley & Schultz throw in the towel.

Spanier about to get lit up in court in front of a jury.

No "Feds" investigating TSM or their BOD.

Freeh for all intents and purposes protected by a PA judge's ruling.

McQueary walks off with millions based on an ever changing story.

Sadly, PA youth are no safer today than when Jerry was roaming the streets because real lessons on the failure of the system intended to protect then have not been learned.

The OGBOT comes out unscathed.

The Alumni trustees elected to the BOT go silent... What happened to getting to the truth?

The Paterno family case marches on but what are they hoping to achieve? How long before they call it a day and move on?

In light of this trail of history... As much as I hate to say this... maybe the OGBOT did exactly the right thing for the greater good of PSU, they broke off all ties with the past and moved forward with new leadership. PSU can always emphasize "Success with Honor" but there is now no conceivable way I can see Joe Paterno ever being honored or getting credit for it.

The only possible good that comes from where we are... After more than five years we may finally be able to close the book on this mess. Thanks Jerry Sandusky. I hope it was all worth it for you.

What a tragedy!!

Quite a few people have prattled on for years about wanting the "truth" to come out.
Now it's out and proves there was a cover up. The BOT was/is not the villain.
Those who "moved on" were right. There was no big conspiracy to sully PSU and Paterno.
This should be the end of the that chapter in PSU's history. I hope those who spent
so much time trying to convince us otherwise will also move on.
 
Maybe the AG needed something after all this time so they offered a sweetheart deal to save face.

With the pleas, the state has won. Doesn't matter if you win by a field goal or 6 TDs, a win is a win.

Having served on several juries, including a murder case, I have to say that I agree with the sentiment expressed by several posters about avoiding a jury trial. In this particular case, you have a potential jury pool that knows, almost certainly, that JS was convicted, McQ helped to put him away, and that McQ won his case; also, IMHO, jurors act with vengeance against any CSA defendants. The cases are highly charged with emotion. I never thought C/S/S had a chance of getting off completely free. As to their actual guilt, I have no idea, you have to have all the evidence laid out to know for sure. Maybe someone will write a book.

PSU will wear the scarlet letter for another 50 years or so; for old alums like me...
we go on but something was lost and it's not coming back.
 
for old alums like me...
we go on but something was lost and it's not coming back.

We were fools. I was one. PSU was a shit show. As an alum I'm tired of being blamed and made to look like an asshole because of this shit-stick of an organization. **** them, whatever comes their way is well-deserved. I regret every minute and every dollar I ever spent on the place.
 
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