You are an unadulterated idiot. You can't even make a snarky comment without exposing your true stupidity. I can provide evidence that Joe didn't know about 2001 in 1998, but I don't think you'd get it.
So it sounds like the "false narrative" is now the truth...
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Because it was already decided that the trial would be held in a county other than Centre, Einstein. You've got to be one of the dumbest creatures around. You're even dumber than Wendy's horse.
To double down, you're actually going to go on record saying that judges and juries should be in charge of deciding whether people acted morally. I'd love to be on the jury you appeared in front of.
Actually they're worse off because of the new laws rushed into place:
1) More unfounded abuse claims hitting CYS' desk because people are reporting anything and everything out of fear of getting arrested if they don't
2) Less qualified people caring for kids/youth (daycares, sports camps, etc, etc) because organizations/citizens don't want to have to pay to have their backgrounds checked for volunteer positions.
At this point, I don't believe anything or anyone. Too much bs has been spewed that never came to fruition. Gricar disappeared, to where someone knows. Why didn't he pursue, and where did he go?
According to the resident idiot JockstrapJunk, bikers through him down a mine shaft over a bad drug deal. This is when LE determined that Jacobs is a loony toon.
Big part of the problem was people passing the buck apparently and it wasn't only at PSU, but they took the brunt of it...if not all of it.
Unfortunately, that's an unproveable assumption. They very well could have reported it to DPW--but by the rules of the Commonwealth, any "unfounded" accusation would have been deleted from DPW's files after a certain point in time had passed. And, as I recall, that time frame is much shorter than the 10 years it took to finally prosecute the case.
I'd have to seriously re-consider doing some of the youth work I did back in the day were I to take up that role now (soccer coaching and acting as a "big brother" though not thru that org.).
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That's not where I hope this goes. it's a legit concern, except probably for the Judaism part if that's your suggestion. I'm trying not to hypothecate too much on how this is going to play out, but dropping all remaining charges and missing on any convictions would have been a huge problem for a lot of people.
So far, all I'm seeing is Louis Freeh was wrong in his overblown aspersions and theories, but there's acknowledgment of error by C & S. I'd hoped that this would demonstrate error in the freeh report and provide us with information as to what happened and I'm guessing C and S are more likely to speak now.
From here, we'll see.
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Maybe passing the buck. Maybe just dropping the ball in a situation where that's unfortunately way too common. Failing to stop JS was many people's failure. PSU is taking the brunt of it, but it's the deep pocket AND the MM story painted a really bad picture. Personally, I figured if anyone fell it'd be C & S because the trail seemed to end with them. Then I learned S told TSM. For all who wonder why TSM isn't in the same (or similar) kettle, I'm with you.
It is possible that it could have been reported and then expunged. However for that scenario to have happened one has to believe that the report was never investigated by DPW.
It is safe to assume that of all the cases reported to DPW, for possible sexual assault, it was not and is not common practice to close the file as unfounded without at least interviewing the witness to the alleged abuse. As the record stands now Mike was never contacted by DPW.
Therefore a reasonable inference from the existing facts is that there was no report to DPW.
One thing that surprises me is that we haven't heard much from Lubrano or Demlion on this, unless I missed something.... That's not a critique, BTW--just wondering.
I get what you are saying--but the truth is we really don't know. Yet wouldn't even an investigative report be expunged if they didn't find anything (or weren't looking real hard, which would be my guess--similar to the Central Mountain situation)??
And can we be sure MM was not contacted by DPW? If he was and his testimony at that time was deemed not actionable, wouldn't that have been expunged as well??
Truth is, though, I now no longer expect to get any real answers--unless something comes out at trial. But I also am not expecting much from that anymore.
Oh stop it. I feel your pain but this stereotyping and generalizing because of one, or two, or three people has to stop. Morons do that. People who call us ped state are low-class trash bags and they will be judged too.
I still go to church too because I don't let the actions of some bad priests change what my faith is all about.
These guys pled to a misdemeanor. They made a mistake. It ended up being a terrible mistake but it happens in life. And they are not Penn State. Just like the unabomber is not michigan and oj is not USC and Nassar is not msu and bad priests aren't ND. Politics are corrupt but the US is still the US. Don't let petty haters and ignorance warp your view of things.
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Unfortunately more than just the folks you noted think that too. Much/most of the public does. They are just not always as mean about it. Oddly enough, they don't think that way about the other schools you noted--but many do think that way about the Catholic church, fairly or not. I know some of those folks--and they are not "morons", "low class...", or "petty".
BTW, I think you meant MSU for Nassar and not USC. It will be interesting to see how public opinion acts about MSU down the road. But their leadership did not sell their school out either.
Speculation: Their primary concern now is defending Paterno (which may well be worth doing). However, I don't think Joe ought to be a primary BoT concern in 2017.
Anyone who calls PSU ped state is a moron, low class, and a petty hater. You don't criminalize an entire community. Bad things happen everywhere. It's beyond me that people still act this way but I know they do. At the Rose Bowl I heard some USC clown say they were playing the pedophiles. That person is a low class trashbag.
We should all sit in judgment on ourselves.
I may be mistaken but I remember him saying that nobody contacted him after he reported to Penn State.
Also, if TSM is guilty of mishandling the situation, does that exonerate PSU and Joe? (Which is what these people only REALLY care about, if we're being honest).
No it doesn't exonerate anyone. It's like hearing a little kid that got caught say....but Tommy did it too. Well the teacher didn't see Tommy do it and he's not there anymore. Is it right...no, but it seems like what occurred.
So we need to get off the kick that C/S/S might have reported it to DPW/CYS but nobody will ever know as those records were expunged. If either three of them had remotely remembered doing any type of reporting to those organizations, they would have been saying that in every deposition and trial that was out there as that would have exonerated them. But that never happened. So C/S/S had ZERO reason to not say that they remembered contacting somebody as it could never have been proven one way or another and therefore it would have been a HUGE aid to C/S/S.
Tim Curley and Gary Schultz were not, are not, and never will be, "Penn State".
WE are Penn State.
The last person that called us "Ped State" to my face, got punched in the mouth. Not kidding. The next one will get the same thing.
Fair point. We'll see if that's something that is brought up at the trial. Hard to say for sure until it's on the record. There's already been far too much speculation without facts in this case.
Not without proof, either way, it doesn't. We have no idea what was said behind closed doors either. Mind you--I don't think we ever find out either.
FWIW, both Courtney and Schultz testified they thought the same agency as 98 was contacted about 2001. That didn't seem to matter one bit to the OAG as they threw the book at them.
Both TSM and PSU were made aware of the same info (inappropriate shower that made a PSU GA uncomfortable). One group (PSU) had ZERO control over JS and his access to kids and were not child care experts and were not mandatory reporters.
The other group, TSM, were mandatory reporters and child care EXPERTS who had direct supervision of both JS and his access to kids and were made aware of an incident in 2001 that caused PSU to revoke JS' guest privileges and complain on TSM's doorstep.
Which group deserves more scrutiny and indictments?
I had a similar experience with my brother-in-law. Kind of implied all I cared about was football. If he wasn't family I would have put him through the door.
Obviously the one you can get the most publicity from....
...if reality is any indication
Truth exposed - it's ultimately antiseptic. That it was what most Penn Staters want yet our resident narcissists on the BOT decided to intervene and delay us by several years. Don't kid yourself - defend Joe at all costs is not the rally cry for the alums I know. This is a football board so of course the crowd here cares about Paterno's reputation but every alum I speak with would like to know the truth and not because ____(Pitt, USC, whomever) fan calls us ped state. WE WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. PERIOD. It's our school, our tragedy and our problem.
But in reality, does anyone on here besides this odd collection of trolls that post 100 times per day truly believe if Paterno knew a child was being harmed by a pedophile that he would cover it up? Of course not.
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