Spanier targeting Lubert

[Zenophile]

What's coming?

And then there'll be the optics of having faked a report that cost the university hundreds of millions of dollars, ruined reputations and smeared all of us affiliated with PSU. What do you think something like that will do in the press?

Do you think he'll go down alone?

This is all just hypothetical, of course. And even if it turns out to be true, maybe Lubert can convince the A9 that making info like that public will be bad for Penn State. And maybe they'll play ball. Maybe Frazier and his co-conspirators will be ok after all.

But what about Mark Emmert and Ed Ray?

 

[getmyjive11]

You don't think faking Freeh's findings would constitute a fairly significant fiduciary breach?

Depends if Frazier's actions were in good faith.

 

[bjf1991]

I think it has already been established that several people interviewed have indicated that the "testimony" used by Freeh does NOT reflect what they told investigators.

Established by who?


Aside from JVP Jr ...... I am not aware of a single soul


I'm not saying that it is not true that "Freeh's Notes" are not congruent with what people actually said - - - in fact, I would be SHOCKED if that was not the case

But - to date - unless I missed it (and I doubt I could have missed it)......... I am completely unaware of even one person coming forward and saying:

"Freehs "conclusions" are NOT congruent with what I told them in my interview"

Have you? Has anyone?

We all HOPE someone will finally step forward and make a statement like that
We all THINK that there are folks out there who could come forward

But - again, unless I missed it - ain't one single person come forward - - - -

Ya' think it's time? Maybe?


Bunch of Penn State pussies - - - at least that's what I think of most of them
I know most will say - "but they fear for their jobs", or what not
F that - IMO (but that's just the way I am )

But, even from the most practical standpoint, PSU sure can't go around firing everyone who stands up for honesty and integrity wrt the way they were "interviewed"
If they did - those folks could make the Mike McQueary settlement judgements look like pocket change $$$$$$$$



So - IMO - the folks out there, assuming there are some (which seems like a safe assumption) who were:

- Denied the right to presence of Counsel
- Denied the right to document their conversations
- Denied the right to review their "notes"
- Who's statements were contrary to the "conclusions" reached by Freeh


STEP THE F UP!!!!!!

Or, live your life knowing your a damn, weak, morally-vacuous bitch


How was that?

Did it come through, that I don't have a whole lot of time for folks like that?

 

[Zenophile]

Depends if Frazier's actions were in good faith.

~> https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/spanier-targeting-lubert.164368/page-6#post-2587597

 

[bjf1991]

This is all just hypothetical, of course. And even if it turns out to be true, maybe Lubert can convince the A9 that making info like that public will be bad for Penn State. And maybe they'll play ball. Maybe Frazier and his co-conspirators will be ok after all.

But what about Mark Emmert and Ed Ray?

Who the F cares about Emmert and Ray?

Equivalent to a couple of street level pimps and pushers - when we have a G-Damn Cartel Operating out of Old Main


Now - if anyone was STOOPID enough to allow the NCAA pimps (Emmert and Ray) to be close enough to have anything worth "trading", that would be great........they'd have to be reallllly STOOPID, and I don't think anyone worth "catching" would be that dumb

 

[getmyjive11]

~> https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/spanier-targeting-lubert.164368/page-6#post-2587597

We can make up all kinds of scenarios as to what went down. It has not been proven that Frazier colluded with Freeh to bring forth a false report. If it is ever proven then yeah, there would obviously be problems for Ken.

 

[Zenophile]

Who the F cares about Emmert and Ray?

Equivalent to a couple of street level pimps and pushers - when we have a G-Damn Cartel Operating out of Old Main


Now - if anyone was STOOPID enough to allow the NCAA pimps (Emmert and Ray) to be close enough to have anything worth "trading", that would be great........they'd have to be reallllly STOOPID, and I don't think anyone worth "catching" would be that dumb

I'd be willing to wager that the person or persons who convinced Emmert & Ray to name Joe Paterno in the consent decree care about them right now.

 

[Zenophile]

We can make up all kinds of scenarios as to what went down. It has not been proven that Frazier colluded with Freeh to bring forth a false report. If it is ever proven then yeah, there would obviously be problems for Ken.

What was it you said about being the 'head guy' and trusting the wrong people? If Ken's the guy, then all the A9 need to do to burn him is prove that the findings presented don't match with the source data.

 

[bjf1991]

I'd be willing to wager that the person or persons who convinced Emmert & Ray to name Joe Paterno in the consent decree care about them right now.

You could be right - and that would be nice

I just don't have any faith that any of the PSU "Dons" would be so incredibly stupid as to allow low-level pimps like Emmert and/or Ray to have access to any baggage capable of "bringing them down"........but I suppose that's a "we shall see" situation

Barring that - Emmert, Ray (and Freeh) simply become low-level, insignificant, "nothing to do with eradicating the corruption issues at PSU" pawns that serve as "pressure relief valves" to take the heat off of the important Scoundrels


I suppose my views/expectations might very well be somewhat skewed.........

since that is the way I've expected this all to play out for the last five years - - - - and thus far, that is exactly how it has played out (though it has taken longer than even I would have expected)


The fact that that "Gameplan" has been so tremendously AIDED and ABETTED by the (in)actions of the A9 has resulted in a very small tolerance level for me in that respect


In the meantime........

 

[lionlurker]

Just out of curiosity, do you think you will have many more posts today that rip the alumni reps?

 

[bjf1991]

Just out of curiosity, do you think you will have many more posts today that rip the alumni reps?

Eh......it's getting late, so probably not

Not that 24/7 nut-kicking of thebA9 wouldn't be justified - and with "Ira Lubert" being a topic of conversation today, it's kinda' like trying to avoid a purple elephant sitting on your living room sofa

But, nah........it's getting late

 

[getmyjive11]

What was it you said about being the 'head guy' and trusting the wrong people? If Ken's the guy, then all the A9 need to do to burn him is prove that the findings presented don't match with the source data.

No, it's not that simple. Especially if the collusion happened between Freeh and the State with the BOT out of the loop.

 

[coveydidnt]

No, it's not that simple. Especially if the collusion happened between Freeh and the State with the BOT out of the loop.

It's almost sounding like there's a theory that doesn't include everyone in the universe except Joe & CSS

 

[getmyjive11]

It's almost sounding like there's a theory that doesn't include everyone in the universe except Joe & CSS

That's what bothers me the most. Clearly, based on testimony, someone between Paterno and CSS screwed up. My opinion is that it was likely Curley and Shultz.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

I'd like to remind everyone in the room today - that there ARE No Do Overs.

Carry on.

 

[Zenophile]

That's what bothers me the most. Clearly, based on testimony, someone between Paterno and CSS screwed up.

interesting. What do you mean by "screwed up"?

 

[Zenophile]

No, it's not that simple. Especially if the collusion happened between Freeh and the State with the BOT out of the loop.

"Live by the scapegoat, ...."

 

[lubrano]

That's what bothers me the most. Clearly, based on testimony, someone between Paterno and CSS screwed up. My opinion is that it was likely Curley and Shultz.

No one "screwed up."

Apparently Dr. Dranov has been twice investigated by the state medical licensing people in conjunction with the 2001 Lasch Building incident. In both instances, he was found to have acted appropriately for having not reported what he WAS NOT told because no sexual assault was witnessed.

 

[lionlurker]

That's what bothers me the most. Clearly, based on testimony, someone between Paterno and CSS screwed up. My opinion is that it was likely Curley and Shultz.

And since only Curley and Schultz can tell us precisely what they did, do you think it is mere coincidence that these guys are muzzled by a 5 yr old indictment that is going nowhere in the court system?

 

[moofafoo]

No one "screwed up."

Apparently Dr. Dranov has been twice investigated by the state medical licensing people in conjunction with the 2001 Lasch Building incident. In both instances, he was found to have acted appropriately for having not reported what he WAS NOT told because no sexual assault was witnessed.

So much for the PL idiot cabal's ramblings about the police should have been called, why didn't Joe call, the "missing" police report. What assholes they all are, and I've told them for years those arguments were bullshit.

 

[lionlurker]

There's plenty of evidence that could be used to help vindicate CSS and JVP, but the university refuses to use it. If it could ever be revealed precisely why this is, then we could get somewhere. But for some reason the BOT would rather pay out millions and millions to unvetted victims and otherwise keep their mouths officially closed.

Why nobody in the media or state government wonders about this is beyond comprehension.

 

[pandaczar12]

That's what bothers me the most. Clearly, based on testimony, someone between Paterno and CSS screwed up. My opinion is that it was likely Curley and Shultz.

Like I said in a recent post, you give MM, his dad, Dr. Dranov, and JR at TSM a free pass and only focus on the folks that you shouldn't. The problems that led to kids being abused don't get highlighted, and more kids get abused. How do you sleep at night?

 

[pandaczar12]

No one "screwed up."

Apparently Dr. Dranov has been twice investigated by the state medical licensing people in conjunction with the 2001 Lasch Building incident. In both instances, he was found to have acted appropriately for having not reported what he WAS NOT told because no sexual assault was witnessed.

Mr. Lubrano, appreciate your efforts.

The simplest explanation is usually right... no one witnessed or was told about CSA, so every action that everyone took makes complete sense up to TSM. So how did this blow up into a giant mess?

 

[AvgUser]

So how did this blow up into a giant mess?

Oh my, here do we start?
1. Incompetence on the BOT
2. An intentional and outright lie in the GJP
3. A story that grew from 2001 to 2011
4. An unwillingness to fight back and correct errors (see #1)
5. Corruption..the depth and breadth of which are still unknown.

 

[pandaczar12]

Oh my, here do we start?
1. Incompetence on the BOT
2. An intentional and outright lie in the GJP
3. A story that grew from 2001 to 2011
4. An unwillingness to fight back and correct errors (see #1)
5. Corruption..the depth and breadth of which are still unknown.

We all have our theories, I'm really interested in his take.

 

[lubrano]

Mr. Lubrano, appreciate your efforts.

The simplest explanation is usually right... no one witnessed or was told about CSA, so every action that everyone took makes complete sense up to TSM. So how did this blow up into a giant mess?

The answer involves some of the worst human behaviors-- fear, greed, jealousy, disdain.

Includes Corbett; Fina; Sassano; members of the BOT primarily Garban, Surma, Broadhurst, Erickson; Frazier, Tomalis, Peetz, Masser, Lubert, Dandrea; Jones; Baldwin; Dunham; Struthers; Pepper Hamilton; Freeh; NCAA; BIG10 plus many other bit players.

The story is complicated yet simple. The confluence of circumstances resulted in a perfect storm.

Louis Freeh deceived all of us knowingly and willingly.

 

[BBrown]

Mr. Lubrano, appreciate your efforts.

The simplest explanation is usually right... no one witnessed or was told about CSA, so every action that everyone took makes complete sense up to TSM. So how did this blow up into a giant mess?

JMO but I think the direction you or we all want to look is South East toward Harrisburg or wherever the rat Corbutt is now.

 

[BBrown]

Oh my, here do we start?
1. Incompetence on the BOT
2. An intentional and outright lie in the GJP
3. A story that grew from 2001 to 2011
4. An unwillingness to fight back and correct errors (see #1)
5. Corruption..the depth and breadth of which are still unknown.

sounds about right but I'd put #5 at the top of the list. And we can start with the, rat at the time, Governor.

 

[baircub1!]

The answer involves some of the worst human behaviors-- fear, greed, jealousy, disdain.

Includes Corbett; Fina; Sassano; members of the BOT primarily Garban, Surma, Broadhurst, Erickson; Frazier, Tomalis, Peetz, Masser, Lubert, Dandrea; Jones; Baldwin; Dunham; Struthers; Pepper Hamilton; Freeh; NCAA; BIG10 plus many other bit players.

The story is complicated yet simple. The confluence of circumstances resulted in a perfect storm.

Louis Freeh deceived all of us knowingly and willingly.

Will there ever be justice ? So sad... And so angry.
Ironic that it's the athletics and high graduation rates that I remain so proud of for my University... Yet have incredible disgust for those running it.

Cowards.

 

[getmyjive11]

interesting. What do you mean by "screwed up"?

Clearly by the testimony, MM thought he saw something of a sexual nature.

 

[bjf1991]

There's plenty of evidence that could be used to help vindicate CSS and JVP, but the university refuses to use it. If it could ever be revealed precisely why this is, then we could get somewhere. But for some reason the BOT would rather pay out millions and millions to unvetted victims and otherwise keep their mouths officially closed.

Why nobody in the media or state government wonders about this is beyond comprehension.

Sure........now you're gonna' try and bait me

LOL

 

[getmyjive11]

No one "screwed up."

Apparently Dr. Dranov has been twice investigated by the state medical licensing people in conjunction with the 2001 Lasch Building incident. In both instances, he was found to have acted appropriately for having not reported what he WAS NOT told because no sexual assault was witnessed.

I see, so an upset MM who could barely talk about the incident but was able to convey hearing sexual noises, does not raise suspicion of sexual assault?

It's a cute game of mental gymnastics that is going on here, but Sandusky was convicted of a crime for that victim and multiple people testified to MM claiming a sexual component to what he witnessed. There was most definitely a screw up.

 

[getmyjive11]

And since only Curley and Schultz can tell us precisely what they did, do you think it is mere coincidence that these guys are muzzled by a 5 yr old indictment that is going nowhere in the court system?

They could talk if they wanted to (like Spanier has). I'm not saying that is the smart thing to do, but let's not pretend that they can't get on TV right now to explain their side of the story.

 

[moofafoo]

Clearly by the testimony, MM thought he saw something of a sexual nature.

Which was bullshit. PL bullshit.

 

[Zenophile]

Clearly by the testimony, MM thought he saw something of a sexual nature.

"I don't know what you would call it."

 

[Zenophile]

I see, so an upset MM who could barely talk about the incident but was able to convey hearing sexual noises, does not raise suspicion of sexual assault?

It's a cute game of mental gymnastics that is going on here, but Sandusky was convicted of a crime for that victim and multiple people testified to MM claiming a sexual component to what he witnessed. There was most definitely a screw up.

I'm glad you've chosen to use the term "mental gymnastics" in this application because it applies exceedingly well to those whose doggedly obtuse refusal to acknowledge the difference between working this case from 02/2011~>01/2017 and working it from 01/2017~>02/2001. And you clearly choose to do the latter.

 

[BBrown]

I'm glad you've chosen to use the term "mental gymnastics" in this application because it applies exceedingly well to those whose doggedly obtuse refusal to acknowledge the difference between working this case from 02/2011~>01/2017 and working it from 01/2017~>02/2001. And you clearly choose to do the latter.

Awesome response. POTY material for this subject.
I salute you sir. Well done.

 

[Nellie R]

I'm glad you've chosen to use the term "mental gymnastics" in this application because it applies exceedingly well to those whose doggedly obtuse refusal to acknowledge the difference between working this case from 02/2011~>01/2017 and working it from 01/2017~>02/2001. And you clearly choose to do the latter.

THIS!

 

[getmyjive11]

"I don't know what you would call it."

He was saying that it was sexual in nature but he wasn't exactly sure what he would call it. I know that it's important for you to discredit his testimony (or give him a pass on this), but anyone without an agenda would tell you that Paterno was confirming that he was told of MM witnessing something sexual.

 

[Nellie R]

He was saying that it was sexual in nature but he wasn't exactly sure what he would call it. I know that it's important for you to discredit his testimony (or give him a pass on this), but anyone without an agenda would tell you that Paterno was confirming that he was told of MM witnessing something sexual.

"I'm glad you've chosen to use the term "mental gymnastics" in this application because it applies exceedingly well to those whose doggedly obtuse refusal to acknowledge the difference between working this case from 02/2011~>01/2017 and working it from 01/2017~>02/2001. And you clearly choose to do the latter."

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