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Super Tuesday Match Thread - NLWC event - Feb. 23rd - 6 PM
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Yes and kept viewers informed via social media what was happening. Flo would go down and it would be crickets
For real. He's ridiculous.
I think it went away after the streaming issues. It was there before the stream got Flo'd, but I didn't see if after either.
It's not merely holding center. That is one factor but not the only one. Passivity clearly has subjective elements come into play. Shooting, taking space, pushing the pace, controlling tie ups, controlling the center, etc. Nolf was patently the aggressor. Dake has always been primarily a defensive wrestler and a counter-offensive wrestler. His offense has improved, but he often mostly waits to respond to his opponent.
GantryZ, I think the tip Cup/Button became disabled from the glitch.
It is a shame as when I was out walking and watching the undercard, I thought tips were over $500. So not have it around for the main card cost the NLWC some serious $ as the event went on.
I wonder how the tip system works? 100% for NLWC or split in some fashion.
That's not really how they call it though--especially UWW refs. USA refs will, but UWW is all about position, and yes, controlling ties (also an extreme Dake strength). Dake doesn't get dinged much at all.
That man is not satisfied until he beats every last Nittany Lion.
Pretty sure the tips are 100% to the account hosting the event.
IIRC tips were established after Cael complained about unafilliated Rokfin accts vulturing NLWC #1 -- i.e., sign up under IA Wrestle (for example).
The replay of the event is now available:
He has been exceptionally tight lipped about the schools he's considering.
He has been fairly open about criteria -- somewhere he can pursue his Olympic aspirations, and where both his brother and sister will be able to train and compete.
IMO he will have to compromise -- schools at his level don't have D1 women's wrestling and vice-versa. In that sense, PSU could be in good shape with NLWC women + Lock Haven D1 women only 45 min away.
The UWW rule on passivity says nothing about holding center. In fact, it is relatively brief. Of course, how it is interpreted is another matter:
The role of the referees, among other vital duties, should be to evaluate and distinguish what is real action versus a feigned attempt to waste time.
a. Anytime the refereeing body agrees a wrestler is blocking, interlocking fingers, thwarting his opponent and/or generally avoiding wrestling: the mat referee signals to the wrestler “Caution blue or red”.
First offence, the action is stopped briefly to give a verbal warning: “Attention”. Second offence: the action is stopped briefly to designate the guilty wrestler and a 30-second mandatory-score period begins. The referee on the mat shall not interrupt the bout in the midst of a viable action to either start or finish an activity period. A light corresponding to the wrestler at fault is lighted. This notifies the wrestlers, coaches and spectators an “activity period” has begun. Should either wrestler score in the 30 seconds penalty session, no penalty point is awarded, only the corresponding technical point or points. If neither wrestlers scores, the opponent of the designated passive-wrestler is awarded a technical point and the passive wrestlers receives a caution (O).
b. If after 2:00 minutes into the first period neither wrestler has scored, the referees must mandatory designate one of the wrestler as inactive (the same procedure described above is administered).
c. When there is less than 30 seconds remaining in either period, if all three of the refereeing body agree a wrestler is evading and/or blocking his opponent, then his/her opponent is awarded a point (i.e fleeing the hold). This situation can be challenged to the “Jury of Appeal”.
d. If a wrestler initiates his action some seconds before minute 2:00 with a 0:0 score or some seconds before the end of the activity period, the referee will not interrupt the bout and will allow the wrestler to finish the action. If the action ends with points, the bout will continue without any interruption. If the action doesn’t end with points, the referee will stop the bout and will apply the right procedure.
The role of the referees, among other vital duties, should be to evaluate and distinguish what is real action versus a feigned attempt to waste time.
a. Anytime the refereeing body agrees a wrestler is blocking, interlocking fingers, thwarting his opponent and/or generally avoiding wrestling: the mat referee signals to the wrestler “Caution blue or red”.
First offence, the action is stopped briefly to give a verbal warning: “Attention”. Second offence: the action is stopped briefly to designate the guilty wrestler and a 30-second mandatory-score period begins. The referee on the mat shall not interrupt the bout in the midst of a viable action to either start or finish an activity period. A light corresponding to the wrestler at fault is lighted. This notifies the wrestlers, coaches and spectators an “activity period” has begun. Should either wrestler score in the 30 seconds penalty session, no penalty point is awarded, only the corresponding technical point or points. If neither wrestlers scores, the opponent of the designated passive-wrestler is awarded a technical point and the passive wrestlers receives a caution (O).
b. If after 2:00 minutes into the first period neither wrestler has scored, the referees must mandatory designate one of the wrestler as inactive (the same procedure described above is administered).
c. When there is less than 30 seconds remaining in either period, if all three of the refereeing body agree a wrestler is evading and/or blocking his opponent, then his/her opponent is awarded a point (i.e fleeing the hold). This situation can be challenged to the “Jury of Appeal”.
d. If a wrestler initiates his action some seconds before minute 2:00 with a 0:0 score or some seconds before the end of the activity period, the referee will not interrupt the bout and will allow the wrestler to finish the action. If the action ends with points, the bout will continue without any interruption. If the action doesn’t end with points, the referee will stop the bout and will apply the right procedure.
That's true on paper.
On the mat, most Euros wrestle much closer-in than Americans -- nearly all offense is off ties, no distance shots, etc. Foreign refs are so used to that style, and so unaccustomed to Americans setting up from further out, that Americans creating space or working from space get dinged for passivity. To those refs that falls under "thwarting his opponent" and "generally avoiding wrestling."
Establishing and holding center is consistent with that philosophy.
The "Tip" feature as well as the # of viewers disappeared when they switched things to get the matches back online. Should have tipped earlier
. Seriously.....they lost a lot of tips because of that. It needed to be done to get back online......so we will tip them twice next time 
The "Tip" feature as well as the # of viewers disappeared when they switched things to get the matches back online. Should have tipped earlier
Sucks for NLWC and the kids that probably got a piece of that money
Dakes' wrestling is clearly suited for freestyle. It's what we might provocatively call "passive-aggressive". He is positionally very sound and then turns offensive efforts and attacks by his opponent into his own scores. It clearly works.
It's perhaps moot to point out but nevertheless interesting to observe, however, that none of his points tonight would have been scored in folkstyle. In fact, he would most definitely be called for stalling more than once.
Like any "game" it's a matter and often a manipulation of rules. Dake plays a very high level but quite low (tactical) speed game of chess.
It's perhaps moot to point out but nevertheless interesting to observe, however, that none of his points tonight would have been scored in folkstyle. In fact, he would most definitely be called for stalling more than once.
Like any "game" it's a matter and often a manipulation of rules. Dake plays a very high level but quite low (tactical) speed game of chess.
In several cards that I have watched on Rokfin.......the "Tips" were given to the outstanding wrestler(s). It is up to the club sponsoring the event to decide where it goes but a couple of the ROTC events gave it as a bonus to the outstanding wrestler(s) as an incentive to show up to their event. Not certain how NLWC allocates the tips as I have yet to hear them mention it. Other ROTCs mentioned it throughout the broadcast to get people to donate ....mentioning often that the "tip" money was going directly to the wrestlers. I know that the first couple of NLWC events did not have that feature but a couple of other ROTC events did ( I want to say NJ and NC. state events were the first I saw it). I thought it was a great idea even though the first event I watched brought in less than 300.00. I am pretty sure the NLWC events will easily pass that every time. More money brings better matchups. And we still pay only 9.95/month. I say winner winner Tang Soo is a Whiner
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He’s one of the most tactical wrestlers I’ve ever seen. Exhibit A is the difference between the two bouts we saw tonight. He does tend to clam up quite a bit more against high output offense of types like David Taylor and Jason Nolf, but he can score a ton of points of his own attacks if that’s what he thinks will get him the win.
I admit, I don’t always love watching him compete, but he’s a pretty special talent all the same
Well, perhaps that is a form of what we might call "Eurocentrism". A style preference that translates into a kind of hidden bias at times. Might be worth it for Americans to point that out in some way at international meetings and events since it can influence referee-ing.
I realize there are international differences that can make a relevant difference. The Euros often view the sport as a kind of art (and have amazing technique) while Americans tend to emphasize factors like conditioning and athleticism in the training. The "style" differences in sport more generally are evident elsewhere -- in soccer especially. It's almost as if the team style of play is an embodiment of national character: Brazilians play "football" with beauty; the Germans with precision; the Uruguayans with extreme physicality, etc.
I agree completely. Just to be clear: I'm not saying he is not tactical. I was referring to the speed at which it plays out. He's absolutely a master tactician (as opposed to technician). He clearly has high technical skills, but there are others whose technical levels are higher, including DT and the Russians.
I find it interesting to know a wrestler's secondary (early and/or ongoing "cross-training") sport. Dake seems to have a kind of gymnastic athleticism. Taylor rode horses as a kid and has great balance and body movement (for lack of better words). Nolf ran cross country and has a non-stop motor to him. Ben Askren has amazing proprioception, evident as well in his high level skills in disc golf (frisbee), and so on. Retherford started taking up dance classes in college and seems to move much better since then.
TIPS
You can tip anytime. Log in to Rokfin, then go to the NLWC home page. As soon as the page loads, there are three buttons at the bottom, one that says, "$2 Tip." Click on that, change the amount to $5,000, and hit enter. (You're welcome, Cael.)
Actually, it's only in pre-defined denominations of 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100.
You can tip anytime. Log in to Rokfin, then go to the NLWC home page. As soon as the page loads, there are three buttons at the bottom, one that says, "$2 Tip." Click on that, change the amount to $5,000, and hit enter. (You're welcome, Cael.)
Actually, it's only in pre-defined denominations of 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100.
Dake was a three sport athlete in high school: wrestling, baseball, and track. From his Cornell bio:
"Dake was also a two-time letter winner in baseball playing second base and catching. He was a sprinter in track where he lettered."
I believe his mother was an all-American gymnast in college.
This is the new "Mark Hall lacks a variety of attacks".
Tyler Lillard looked great. I coached him to a GISA State HS Championship as an 8th grader in GA. He’s at WySem now
For those who missed this Ben Askren tweet after Derrick Lewis whacked Curtis Blaydes into Oblivion...it said exactly this.
“WOAH!“
Dake also was a 4-year letter winner in whining & ref baiting at Cornell.
I really didn’t care for Dake when he was in college and his extremely boring version of folkstyle wrestling. Over the past few years he’s grown on me and I’ve enjoyed rooting for him, as I will do against JB. That said, Dake last night was very boring. Especially in the Nolf match. I know freestyle rules are different, but I don’t understand rewarding a guy for not taking a shot for several minutes.
I also hate blatant pushing the guy out of bounds. I love the step out rule when it punishes a guy for avoiding being scored on. I hate it when it’s a sumo contest.
I also hate blatant pushing the guy out of bounds. I love the step out rule when it punishes a guy for avoiding being scored on. I hate it when it’s a sumo contest.
I think TangSoo took it with him when he left.
Been watching the events on Rokfin since day 1 and last night was the only big problem. I liked how they kept people informed and stop the wrestling until the stream was backup. Tonight Wisc RTC has a card and tomorrow Penn RTC has a card. We are lucky we will have wrestling everyday this week. 5 conferences this weekend starting Friday Eiwa at 10am and Mac at 11am
I agree, Rokfin communication was a nice touch gave us hope vs. flo 🦗. Also zero steaming issues involving buffering during the entire event once I was in.
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