Suriano Rumor?

[El-Jefe]

Dude, I've never even Myles(?) Martin's dad. Did he want his kid at 165??

No, Mark Martin, the 174 who suddenly grew to 197. Thought you were an Ohio State fan, should know the difference between Mark and Myles. His father complained that Ryan told them Mark would be a 184/197 during recruiting, then he was a 174 for three years.

 

[El-Jefe]

You guys have really seen fathers force kids to cut weight? You've seem kids scared to lose because their father would think less of them? Or fathers that would disregard a professional medical opinion? And you did what? Just look down and shake your head? Forget that.

That is a good point but not what I meant,. Sadly, some kids either win the belt at the gym or get the belt at home.

 

[El-Jefe]

Google Marv Marinovich.

And don't stop there - think of the countless number of parents who don't do anything close to what you're saying and in fact should be kept far away from their offspring.

For example, think of one from Baltimore who's about to send his kid to Iowa.

 

[nitlion6]

this has to be some kind of joke?

I doubt he is joking.
You know the old saying about better to remain quiet and have people think you a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Every now and then the Hawk from Minnesota just likes to remove the doubt.

 

[Gebmo]

My older son played soccer and I had zero qualms letting a parent/coach know if I felt they were going over the top. Maybe I'm overprotective but I figure it's in the job description. And I honestly do feel we're programmed to put our kids ahead of ourselves, why else would we put up with the absolutely ridiculous things they do? lol

Even if it's not your kid, look at it from a practical point of view: if I damage my kid, we all pay for it in the end, right? Besides, I'd rather get my ass kicked for speaking up than let something go down and regret keeping my big fat mouth shut, lol

You try to make it sound better now, but your original snarky question whether Jefe has kids and basically knows anything, speaks for where you typically come from and is incredibly naive for someone who has the experience I know you have.

My kids played and I coached for 15 years and was very involved and as a coach, I got ripped for "being careful". Parents always knew better, and I NEVER once got talked to about playing someone too much, only too little, regardless of injury or situation. My Dad coached for over 30 years (school) and I heard it all. Maybe you have never been on the coaching side so have not felt that pressure. As a coach, you get no praise for sitting someone for any reason, just the opposite.

I've seen kids coming off bad arms throwing 130 pitches, going with 1 day rest, ect, etc, etc. Its sad. That is the rule where I am from. Have to get "noticed". Looking for scholarship, etc. Only so much time and so many chances.

Just because you are careful (as am I....spoke up to coaches a few times about my son and others), does not mean most are. You are either not very observant or not really involved if you think that....or maybe you live in a much more laid back place sports wise than I am from.

I don't need tea leaves to read most situations with injuries and parents. Been there. People see what they want to see and hope for the best. Has nothing to do with caring about their kid. Of course they do. As you heard from Nick himself, he "lost an opportunity". Speaks for itself.

Either way, makes no sense to cast aspersions about people (or places) you are not familiar with.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

With no set criteria, the BigTen has been granting exemptions to the rule on an "if we feel like it basis" In the legal system that's considered arbitrary and capricious so I always felt the Suriano's had a decent chance of being successful in court and getting an Injunction and/or Declaratory Judgment. The last thing the conference wants is for a judge to completely invalid one of it's rules. Suspect we see some revisions to the transfer penalty with the addition of some set criteria for an exemption or maybe they change it all together and go back to no scholarship money.

 

[RoarLions1]

The whole Nick discussion has been in the rearview mirror for a long time, though the conversation about the Big Ten Rule is an intriguing one. Lots of judging, without knowledge about exactly what happened... and somewhere in this mess is the truth, which we'll never know. I know a little, and that's dangerous.

 

[dunkej01]

My older son played soccer and I had zero qualms letting a parent/coach know if I felt they were going over the top. Maybe I'm overprotective but I figure it's in the job description. And I honestly do feel we're programmed to put our kids ahead of ourselves, why else would we put up with the absolutely ridiculous things they do? lol

Even if it's not your kid, look at it from a practical point of view: if I damage my kid, we all pay for it in the end, right? Besides, I'd rather get my ass kicked for speaking up than let something go down and regret keeping my big fat mouth shut, lol

Good on you and I dont mean that in a snarky or derogatory way. My experience is that the biggest problem with youth sports is parents and will remain that way till the end of time.

 

[Lyons212]

Good on you and I dont mean that in a snarky or derogatory way. My experience is that the biggest problem with youth sports is parents and will remain that way till the end of time.

I coached youth sports for about 15 years, best quote ever regarding its problems, "The biggest problem with youth sports is the adults".

One year coaching a U9 girls rec soccer team, I had one parent scream at me from across the field to try to win the game (no official score). What prompted this was removing one of my best players from the game who just played 12 minutes at midfielder where she had to constantly run up and down the field. She was going back in after a 6 minute break. Same parent told me his daughter was getting a soccer scholarship (best 8 year old I ever coached), she never made the high school varsity and switched to cross country after being cut her junior year. Same parent would also make fun of the other girls on the team with his daughter, she would come to practice and repeat all of it. Lot of pathetic parents out there.

 

[RoarLions1]

My experience is that the biggest problem with youth sports is parents and will remain that way till the end of time.

Since our wrestlers are much younger than me, I'll say (type) this out loud...

"I bet Cael feels the same way".

 

[dicemen99]

I thought Coach Sanderson didn't recruit those types.

Direct quote from Casey Cunningham (more or less, can't remember the exact wording):
"If we didn't recruit kids who had psycho wrestling parents, we wouldn't be able to field a team. Nobody would."

 

[lyndj]

My older son played soccer and I had zero qualms letting a parent/coach know if I felt they were going over the top. Maybe I'm overprotective but I figure it's in the job description. And I honestly do feel we're programmed to put our kids ahead of ourselves, why else would we put up with the absolutely ridiculous things they do? lol

Even if it's not your kid, look at it from a practical point of view: if I damage my kid, we all pay for it in the end, right? Besides, I'd rather get my ass kicked for speaking up than let something go down and regret keeping my big fat mouth shut, lol

I mean this in the best possible way--you are wonderfully naive!

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

No, Mark Martin, the 174 who suddenly grew to 197. Thought you were an Ohio State fan, should know the difference between Mark and Myles. His father complained that Ryan told them Mark would be a 184/197 during recruiting, then he was a 174 for three years.

He was a 174 for 2 he went 165 his true freshman year

 

[El-Jefe]

He was a 174 for 2 he went 165 his true freshman year

Thanks for the correction, and that just magnifies Mr. Martin's issue.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Thanks for the correction, and that just magnifies Mr. Martin's issue.

I do remember Mr Martin coming on OWN right around the time of nationals 2-3 years ago because there were some comments regarding his son in matches that year and he clarified Mark was cutting a bit to wrestle 174 but I don't remember him bringing up any promises during recruiting I gotta go back and check that

 

[ev_flores0331]

Don't get me wrong: I generally root against PSU but that doesn't mean I don't dig that Sanderson seems to recruit kids that just love the sport without the pressure of cutting weight and don't let the pressure of winning get in the way. It's something that makes pulling against you guys more difficult, lol