Suriano vs Fix
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Rutgers fans behaving poorly?? Shocking.
Let Suriano and Fix keep dancing and reaching and not scoring. Meanwhile RBY will keep working on his finishes and we'll see what happens in March. 133 is a meat grinder but I like what RBY is doing.
Had to watch late tonite was at the Iowa match at Minnesota. Man such a shame to let that Fix & Suriano match go like it did...When are reffs going to get the balls to step in and call stalling? Remember the days of Ray Allen reffing he would warn both guys half way through first period. If still no score would warn both again. This match should have been a double lost by calling enough stalling that where both dq. This bull shit will kill wrestling.
Fix just took a giant step toward the top seed at nationals.
With his remaining schedule, he seems like a good bet to go unbeaten. Schmitt, Phillippi, Gomez, Erneste, and DeSanto in the regular season -- plus B12s that might not include Gross.
(Rumors going around that Gross will sit out the rest of this year, apply for a medical hardship, and grad transfer to Wisconsin.)
Micic has Pletcher, RBY, and Cruiseliner Nick in the regular season, plus B10s. Brutal. But, if he sweeps that, he could get the top seed due to strength of schedule.
No other unbeatens after Fix beats Sdmitt on Friday, unless Gross does return.
With his remaining schedule, he seems like a good bet to go unbeaten. Schmitt, Phillippi, Gomez, Erneste, and DeSanto in the regular season -- plus B12s that might not include Gross.
(Rumors going around that Gross will sit out the rest of this year, apply for a medical hardship, and grad transfer to Wisconsin.)
Micic has Pletcher, RBY, and Cruiseliner Nick in the regular season, plus B10s. Brutal. But, if he sweeps that, he could get the top seed due to strength of schedule.
No other unbeatens after Fix beats Sdmitt on Friday, unless Gross does return.
I watched the NS/Fix match. Despite the bore-fest side of it and lengthy delays (for which I blame the coaches/wrestlers more than the refs), I think Fix comes away with a lot more positives than NS, aside from a W.
I predicted NS to win close and now have a sense that this may have been his last best chance to beat Fix. He was wrestling at home, was fully healthy, and had the advantage of ~2 years' worth of college experience and coaching. Despite those advantages, Fix won and comes away knowing NS can't score on him. I see Fix making scoring adjustments and NS continuing to be unable or unwilling to pull the trigger on offense at their next meeting(s).
I hope you're right about RBY. I'm a huge fan (go look at my overly optimistic KYPSW pics!). But to my eye, Roman is not a threat to anyone in the top 5 or 6 presently. Fingers crossed that changes by March.
This is probably the first intelligent post you've made here. This was a 285 match wrestled at 133. Both wrestlers should have been disqualified (and maybe beaten). Lol.
First, I cant blame the coaches for challenging, especially since the refs made bad calls on locked hands. Should the coaches just let it go to the detriment of their wrestlers?
Second, now that FIx knows Suriano cant score on him? How about Fix cant score on Suriano either. Theyve wrestled a total of 42 minutes in their last 2 meetings and the only offensive point scored was a Suriano TD at WNO when both were completely exhausted
I just hope refs get a wake up call for 2 things. 1) raise the fist and call stalling like they do in freestyle and 2) dont take forever to review & reverse your screwed up calls
When trying to come up with my username for this forum I chose Callthestall, for what I perceive to be a major problem in some wrestling matches. Refferees can dictate a match a little more by calling the double stall early or don't wait until 10 seconds are left in the match to call it. Make the wrestlers wrestle.
As for hands to the face, I think that you should get warned once and the second time should be the point. They don't award a point for potential dangerous but do for hands to face. You can hang on leg once for 5 seconds and no point is given. The rule just seems to be excessive compared to other rules.
We don't know that Fix can't score on Suriano. We also don't even know if Suriano can score on Fix. What we do know is that Suriano is not willing to find out whether he can score on top guys. He is in year three now and he's shown that when he wrestles the top guys he's not willing to take shots. He's content with hand fighting and trying to eek out a win somehow late or in OT.
This is the first year for Fix wrestling the top guys. We will have to wait and see what he does against other top guys, but we know that Suriano isn't willing to risk taking shots against the best.
Typically posters who can't engage in a dialogue and go straight to personal attacks have a low IQ. It's their only way out when they can't defend word salad posts, diarrhea of the mouth and baseless conjecture. And you fall into the dolt category, so no offense taken.
Suriano was sold that Donny was going to take him to new heights, Suri looks like the same exact wrestler he was when he left here though, just a little bulkier 133 now.
And it's a real shame that Nick isn't willing to get after his offense in matches against the top guys, too. His talent is undeniable. I wish he'd let it fly more.
I think he was starting to develop his freshman season at PSU. He wrestled Gilman the same way he wrestled Fix and lost, but he also took it to Lizak and Cruz. Cruz won the national championship that year. Then last year when he wrestled Cruz in the semis at NCAAs he was right back to wrestling super conservative and he barely eeked out the win against a guy he hammered a year before.
At some point he has to realize that he isn't winning the matches against the top guys when he wrestles like this. He lost to Gilman like this. He lost to Spencer like this. He lost to Fix like this. If he wants to win a national championship he's going to have to wrestle for it.
he looks worse from neutral today than he did 2 years ago IMO
yep... he absolutely pummeled Cruz as a freshman. then last year (bigger stakes of course) he wrestled a different match
I didn't go straight to a personal attack. If you can't understand something perfectly obvious, there's no point discussing anything. I can't fathom what part of what I said you don't get. That Goodale and Smith don't have conservative approaches and are known for it? That Fix and Suriano didn't have a single takedown attempt between them in an overtime match on Sunday? That it's several years after the epic WNO match between them? What could I possibly expand upon on anything above? I can't.
I watched the match on Flo at the PSU match in Rec Hall.. thought it was over the first time Fix "won" at 3-2.. little did I know it would go another 25 minutes from there and be a snooze fest the entire time.. Horrible for the sport..
His freshman year yielded many more shots. He had a few against Cruz. He couldn't get close to Gillman and when he got behind he became more aggressive. His best shot was fended by Gilman's hips. Now, if Gilman would have been offensive that year at NCAAs, he would have easily been NC regardless if Nick was hurt or not.
I didn't care for the announcer's comments on how the match ended. The rules committee made hands to the face illegal. Hand(s) to the face is hands to the face, it doesn't matter when it occurs. The Flo replay supported it was a good call. The announcers were dead wrong.
As to locked hands, have always felt that that is one of the damn toughest calls to make during a fluid fast moving match. You have four limbs and both wrestlers are grabbing each others arm in as small area. It is damn hard to concern at moments if they were locked or was it a cross wrist especially with grips changing every second. To call it you have to be in the perfect position. At other times the call is as plain as day.
As to locked hands, have always felt that that is one of the damn toughest calls to make during a fluid fast moving match. You have four limbs and both wrestlers are grabbing each others arm in as small area. It is damn hard to concern at moments if they were locked or was it a cross wrist especially with grips changing every second. To call it you have to be in the perfect position. At other times the call is as plain as day.
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It was the right call per the rules but it's a stupid rule. There is no reason to not give a warning the first time. This was pretty much the worst ending to the match possible.
I think it was inevitable that this was going to end a big match at some point this year with the new zero tolerance. This will be the reason it gets changed for next year to include a warning the first time before a penalty point is issued.
Only took two posts to get personal, but no hard feelings, truly. The first reply was to presume I couldn't comprehend such a complex issue. That's cool and all, but when I come across people who can't explain their thought process or logical reasoning in an easy to understand and concise way, it’s usually a sign it's not very well thought out.
The notion Goodale has a philosophy of being conservative is unconvincing. If you cared enough to look into it, his thought process and what he is trying to accomplish at Rutgers is quite the opposite actually. He's been on record countless times over the past decade and laid out his thoughts and what his goals are. Has he had trouble implementing that vision? Like any coach trying to build a program, sure he has. It's not a straight line to success. To insert some type of misrepresented reality onto him is biased.
OT, but I agree with Smith 10000% on video review. Limit it to quick and obvious call reversal (I'd be fine w/ 30 seconds), or go with the call on the mat. I really do not like how video review effects the product on the mat. There will always be controversial calls anyway.
How many times have you EVER seen locked hands so blatently that the “ locker” actually gained an advantage over the “ lockee”? (In folk)
Maybe the refs are watching for more important infractions??
Maybe some coaches should be more worried about why their guy isnt initiating offense instead of throwing bricks cuz they think they saw the opponents arms touch for a split second.
Maybe the refs are watching for more important infractions??
Maybe some coaches should be more worried about why their guy isnt initiating offense instead of throwing bricks cuz they think they saw the opponents arms touch for a split second.
Instant replay ruined professional football and I think it is far more of a danger to wrestling. What happened yesterday just can't happen. If they're going to use it, there has to be reasonable time limits along the lines of what John Smith suggested yesterday.
I believe it was in the 2nd period (can't remember as I'm trying to forget that I wasted my time watching it), but Suriano had a legit opening to take a shot and chose not to. Even the one commentator (I believe he was a former Rutgers wrestlers and very knowledgeable) commented that Suriano normally would pull the trigger in that situation.
It was the opposite. It's so obvious and straightforward there is no explaining it. It's like me saying if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow we're in a shitload of trouble and you wanting me to explain.
Goodale *says* a lot of things to the media and public, but when you watch Rutgers wrestle, it's painfully obvious that he's not coaching that way. If you watch Rutgers wrestle and think the Rutgers "style" is anything other than extremely conservative, I don't know what to say. That's why you have very few bonus points in their matches.
I was having a dinner with a winemaker a few years back when talking about "letting the terroir speak" was trendy. He claimed to be doing that, but all his wines tasted the same because he vinified them all with the same heavy-handed style. Which should I believe - the obvious results or the disingenuous rhetoric he handed out because he knew it was trendy and people wanted to hear it?
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Edited earlier post to not confuse you. In no way do you "excuse" AA's behavior rather point out his "jerk" response. Can't have it both ways. How does RU monitor an outside twitter feed run by Rivals? Real question as you state its a semi-official account and this would mean they should have at least some university oversight to monitor the thread. You thought wrong and our arena doesn't hold 9k as the PSU/RU match was standing room to 8,300 (FLO and RU are in on it together-that is genius!). Nothing was lost on me and Yosemite Sam pistols at the coach that just did it to you (5 yr olds argument) is not a big deal. Sure excited the crowd.
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Reviews should be treated the same as injury time, at a minimum if you lose the challenge the opponent gets choice. I agree with Smith, if after 30 seconds of review, if you cannot determine to over turn it, the call stands.
Everything is lost on you.
1. I said someone else excusing AA's behavior because "he did it first" was the argument of a five year-old. I never excused AA's actions.
2. I hope Rutgers communicated with the tweeter to let him know it was not appreciated, but the point about "class" relates to the whole culture of the Rutgers program and fanbase.
3. I know the place doesn't hold 9000. That's why I made a point about Flo's stupid tweet about 9000 tickets being sold in a post.
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