Oh. I’m sorry. I was hoping he actually spoke out about it. Would be a good thing if he did.
How was I being irrational with that question? I look forward to your response
Oh and what argument was I making that you made up in your head?
The talking-heads keep saying it's unprecedented not to take an undefeated P5 Conf Champ... It's way worse than that.....
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How was I being irrational with that question? I look forward to your response
Oh and what argument was I making that you made up in your head?
And teams behind them had better resumes after the weekend. You don't have to lose to fall
If the committee’s justification for not including Florida State in the top four is about “ quarterbacks”, then give the Heisman to Travis immediately. If that dude is that important to his team to keep them out because he’s hurt, then he deserves it.
That didn't work out so good last year for Michigan or TCU. That criteria didn't work out so well for the juggernaut Miami Hurricanes in 86. Penn State has been on the receiving end of some of those biases, costing us a number of opportunities to play for national championships. , or worse yet getting voted out without the opportunity to compete for it.
Joe Paterno is coaching in this year's CFB playoff! Big surprise to me.
Why even play the games then? People thought Oregon had more talent and was more capable than Washington....maybe that's still the case! Was Oregon robbed, according to your selection metric?
I think they went against the established precedents of the Committee to make a choice that didn’t reflect the criteria that has always been used. I’m saying it’s suspect in the fact that you can’t reliably trust that they are being fair over the years.
They chose who they felt made the better matchup for TV instead of the team that earned it based on performance on the field.
Keep in mind that it's a different committee every year. Maybe the individuals on one year's committee based things more on record, while this committee gave more weight to SOS and/or the injury. If it was simply about looking at record, or looking at record for P5 schools, then there is no need for a committee.
It's all trying to make a difficult decision while subjectively trying to identify the 4 teams that most meet the criteria that the committee is working under.
Also for the conspiracy minded…. As we know, ESPN controls the CFP bowls. Starting in 2024, they take over all the media rights for… the SEC. As much as they’ve been in bed with that conference they are now even more all in with them. And I’m sure they didn’t want to start off that monster new TV deal without having a playoff participant from there (yes, Texas is joining them next year but not quite the same).
The bottom line is they did not lose on the field period. What would you people say if this was Psu? I’m sure there would be a different opinion
This decision was made by who the committee had the best chance to stop Michigan. The real albatross here is Michigan everyone knows that they cheated and shouldn’t be here but they are afraid to do the right thing so as usual they are using two wrongs to create a right
Because Bama has a better chance than Texas to beat them
Giving Saban a month to prepare is basically a death sentence. He's won 6 straight semis. Hasn't lost one since 2014.
The process is more than suspect. It is 100% flawed. The moment the decision was made to have people decide who they “think” is best was the moment that integrity and credibility of the process and result ceased to exist.
When was "fewest losses" ever listed in the criteria?
It doesn't list anything to determine how they group teams. People keep saying "fewest losses" because Ohio State got in over us (correctly), Washington got in over us (incorrectly), and because that's what they thought mattered but that was never stated.
In 2016, we should have been in--the committee made a mistake
Last year, Bama should have been in--the committee made a mistake
The only possible way to forgive that is both had 2 losses
But this year Bama and Texas had a single loss. The people defending FSU can still only point to 13-0 (like Liberty) because no other metric favors them.
Not all P5 conferences are the same. The Big Ten and SEC should always get in over the others. Every single time. That's why a 12 team is going to be great. 5-7 of the at large bids will go to the SEC/Big Ten. As they should.
It doesn't list anything to determine how they group teams. People keep saying "fewest losses" because Ohio State got in over us (correctly), Washington got in over us (incorrectly), and because that's what they thought mattered but that was never stated.
In 2016, we should have been in--the committee made a mistake
Last year, Bama should have been in--the committee made a mistake
The only possible way to forgive that is both had 2 losses
But this year Bama and Texas had a single loss. The people defending FSU can still only point to 13-0 (like Liberty) because no other metric favors them.
Not all P5 conferences are the same. The Big Ten and SEC should always get in over the others. Every single time. That's why a 12 team is going to be great. 5-7 of the at large bids will go to the SEC/Big Ten. As they should.
Where do you draw the line? You could make that statement in September. Why not just award titles based on the highest blue chip ratio and skip the games entirely?
This is THE issue. The committee changes their thought process at will. They even do it in a single week's rankings, applying the same criteria differently to multiple teams. The committee talking head constantly contradict themselves week to week when explaining their rationale, or they simply dance around those questions and don't answer them. There's no accountability for the CFP either which is a separate problem, their rationale by every member should be transparent and publicly available just like AP votes are.
Teams have no ability to know what is needed to qualify for the playoffs, so it's impossible for them to craft their schedules appropriately. The only sure thing is to be a P5 team, play 3 brutal non conference games, and win them all. One week the committee favors win percentage, so teams drop harder games to boost that. Then a team with a higher win percentage gets left behind because of schedule strength. This time it's an injury. What's next is teams are going to publicly lie about injuries so the committee doesn't punish them.
It is a completely ridiculous model and was flawed from day one because there are five power conferences are four playoff spots. They knew this could happen and chose that model anyway. The simple solution is auto bids for each conference champion and a single elimination playoff from there, but they'll never do it.
The opposite is also true. If a G5 team is competing and pulling an upset viewers will tune in to watch how it ends up.
People here would be losing their minds if PSU got snubbed like FSU did. Like worst meltdown in the history of the message board level of losing their minds.
IIRC it was stated explicitly. I believe the CFP at the time said that when teams have the same records they look at factors like conference championships, strength of schedule, etc. in order to differentiate them. But in PSU - UW's case they didn't have the same records, e.g., UW had fewer losses and therefore they didn't use SOS to differentiate them vs. PSU.
because PSU undefeated means we beat OSU and UM so no chance we get left out even with a second or third string QB playing
I don't believe it was ever said "same records"--because they didn't compare Ohio State to us or Washington that year.
We'd be losing our minds if FSU got in over us if we were in Bama's shoes as well.
Florida 5-7
LSU outside the top 12 and Clemson barely ranked
Stop pretending it's impressive--it's not
And if we were in ‘bamas shoes we would all be ecstatic saying the committee was 100% correct.
Like the President of Harvard said yesterday….. context matters.🧐
Exactly
There is no "right of wrong" with the committee. It's all opinion and whether or not you agree with their opinion.
You can't evaluate their talent level or their capability to play at a high level without closely watching every game they play all year. The final 4 is picked based on how they played in every game.
Is this you in the other thread pumping up Alabama's win over LSU?
LOL
Bottom line: the Selection Committee is responsible for picking the four BEST football teams to compete for the ultimate title. When you say four BEST teams, there are no other qualifiers. That this team or that team checked off this box or that box is irrelevant. Which four teams are the BEST four teams in college football on December 3rd.
In my opinion, if FSU is matched up with any of the four that were picked, FSU would get smacked down by each of them. Period. Take every team in college football, one by one, and ask yourself one question: is that team more likely to beat any of the four teams picked or more likely to not beat them? If you answer is more likely to not beat any of the four, then you have your answer as to whether that team is one of the four best teams in college football. And the VAST majority of those that make their living giving odds to football games have FSU as an underdog to all four of the teams selected.
Trying to predict game results is a fool's errand. If only there were a way to actually determine if FSU is capable of beating those teams...
If only there were a way to actually determine if Liberty is capable of beating those teams...
If only there were a way to actually determine if Ohio State is capable of beating those teams...
If only there were a way to actually determine if Georgia is capable of beating FSU... Oh, wait!
Here's a little twister.
FSU beat Florida 24 - 13
Georgia beat Florida 43 - 20
Alabama beat Georgia
FSU gets to play Georgia. Georgia is a 14 pt favorite.
We'll see whether FSU can compete.
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