Yes just pretend like everything is ok and then have Clifford lose 5 of the last 7 games bc you pretend like everything is ok. Worked well last year when we were 5-0.Winning the first five games has been really tough on some the the "loyal" Penn State fans that frequent here. I suggest they all hold their breath and stomp their feet until Franklin is fired.
Time for a QB change?
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Last year there was a QB change once Clifford got hurt. How did that work out? I recall winning at Iowa until he went down.
How about we lose a game before calling for a change at QB.
We were all worried about the backup QB situation last year, and look what happened, just as we are worried about our starting QB now. And more proof that Franklin is bad at evaluating QBs. He had Roberson as the backup over Veilleaux. Insane.
If Clifford gets hurt, I’m quite sure Allar will play. This year is not last year.
Losing 5 of 7 BECAUSE I pretend like everything is ok. My apologies......I didn't know. Am I playing or coaching? LOL what a stupid fanboy.
Yes fans can put pressure on coaches. PSU fans do not seem to like to however, and are ok with mediocrity.
I would have preferred that CJF told Clifford not to come back and then started the season with Allar.
That being said, I wouldn’t start Allar vs Minnesota if we lose to Michigan. But Clifford’s leash would be extremely short (unless he played lights out vs UM in a loss)
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Ahh, yes boosters, that's what we call those people.
How much have you donated? How much are you pledging?
Coaches laugh at fans like you. They even set aside meeting time to make fun of you when they are all together.
Do you think there may have been a reason for this at Iowa? Sorry for expecting you to consider the facts.
I'll wager there isn't a fan base anywhere in college football that's 5-0 yet bitches and moans like these silly bastards,
The very type who would be saying "yeah, but" and "if this, then that" regardless of what happens.
You play Allar yesterday and he throws a pick and fumbles. "Well, he should have been playing since day 1 anyway."
You play him at Purdue and we lose. "We should have started CV or mined the portal for an experienced QB to get us through such a tough road opener."
Comparing us to Georgia fans. PSU hasnt won a national title in my lifetime, and I'm not young.
He didn't give him any first team snaps in practice all week. I think you're giving Tomlin too much credit. There could have also been pressure from his bosses and the owner to play their first round QB.
I'm not comparing the fans--just saying Georgia fans aren't happy after the last 2 games. I wouldn't want to be Auburn this week
All this QB talk does make me think why did Roberson play vs Iowa last year instead of Veilleux? A few weeks after the Iowa game Christian looked pretty good, albeit against Rutgers.
Makes one think either TR looked that much better than CV in practice or they were able to "coach up" CV a country mile and then some by the Rutgers game. If it is the latter did the coaches simultaneously NOT continue coaching TR, as he never saw the field again? (if memory serves).
Finally, does this possibly mean that the PSU coaching staff was DEAD WRONG in their assessment that TR was the #2 QB last year, ahead of CV?
Makes one think either TR looked that much better than CV in practice or they were able to "coach up" CV a country mile and then some by the Rutgers game. If it is the latter did the coaches simultaneously NOT continue coaching TR, as he never saw the field again? (if memory serves).
Finally, does this possibly mean that the PSU coaching staff was DEAD WRONG in their assessment that TR was the #2 QB last year, ahead of CV?
I think CV had a doghouse issue related to pot last year.
Iowa had a good defense last year. We couldn't run the ball. They forced Roberson to beat them and he couldn't.
The fact Allar nor Pribula didn't waver their commitment to us after that speaks plenty enough to me. Besides, Roberson would have been 3rd string if not for the portal. Very likely he would be gone this year regardless.
Agree. If we play Clifford, we will be 8-4 or maybe 9-3, if we play really well, 10-2. If we want to go to the next level, it is time for QB change. Problem is that we have a coach that will not make that kind of decision, so we are left to just realize that we will not be playoff level this year.
If we hired Saben back in the late 90s like I recommended, imagine where we would be today, instead, here we are, just where Art wants us to be!
This is not the PSU of old…current version is finesse and soft….but looking a bit better this year.
I agree and the very least Franklin should put pressure on Clifford in practice by giving Allar 50% or more of the work. See if Cliff rises to the occasion to keep his spot. Everything Clifford did on Saturday could have certainly have been done by Allar and probably even Christian V. so what is this 6th year player bringing to the table??? I know the conditions were not very good but he flat out sucked. so my point is they could have beat a bad NW team with Allar! So what can Cliff bring to the table against Michigan and other Big 10 opponents, maybe Allar can....
They say he bring "veteren experience" and then he'll a throw a pick 6 off his back foot, while under pressure into triple coverage.
They'll say you really want a true Freshman's first start to be on the road at the Big House? Do you really want Sean Clifford starting at the big house?
Not much has been said about Clifford's lack of mobility this year. Not sure if it's his knee brace but he can't even run anymore. The guy has never had any arm strength to keep defenses honest, and now he can't even run to keep them honest.
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Why don't coaches want to win as much as "we" do?
Why don't coaches know as much football as "we" do?
Why are the coaches refusing to make a quarterback change when "we" know it will give us wins over Michigan and Ohio State?" Why why why........thoughts "we" have from the couch....you know, the one in the basement.
Yes....go ahead and throw Allar in there.....and while we're at it.....perhaps there are 9 or 10 other guys not playing much that we should feature as starters as well. I mean, how do we know until we put them in a game?
I'll bet the coaches have never put any pressure on these guys in practice. Why do "we" have to think of everything?
Look at the fumbles....didn't anyone on the coaching staff tell them to "put two hands on the ball?"
He should listen to Yurich....who they don't allow to do anything. I think they may be locking him in a booth during the games so CJF can mess everything up.
This thread is astounding.
Let's replace the QB at 5-0 and ranked #10, who is responsible for 13 TD's to 3 turnovers. Two which came in deplorable conditions that would tend to lead to such turnovers for most any football player from Tom Brady to JaMarcus Russell.
You can't make this $hit up. It's times like these that put the "fan" in fanatic.
It seems perfectly reasonable to expect the true freshman to come in and go 12-0 after going 11-11 the last two seasons. Thank goodness for the voices of reason here, they are true bastions of reality.
Let's replace the QB at 5-0 and ranked #10, who is responsible for 13 TD's to 3 turnovers. Two which came in deplorable conditions that would tend to lead to such turnovers for most any football player from Tom Brady to JaMarcus Russell.
You can't make this $hit up. It's times like these that put the "fan" in fanatic.
It seems perfectly reasonable to expect the true freshman to come in and go 12-0 after going 11-11 the last two seasons. Thank goodness for the voices of reason here, they are true bastions of reality.
We are not 5-0 bc of our QB play. We are 5-0 despite our QB play. Cliffords Passing Efficiency is ranked #58 in the nation. And thats with having tremendous wr and te play.
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I’ll also wager there’s very few 5-0 teams who’s starring QB just went 10/20 140 yards 1TD INT with QB rating of 37.9. Clifford could of easily had 2/3 more INTs in that game. This from a 6 year senior. Who in their right mind wouldn’t question his play?
Not this year but Dabo had the balls to bench Kelly Bryant who was 4-0 and coming off a playoff appearance for a 5 star true freshman who looked the part in limited appearances. Turned out pretty well for him
You’re under 36. That’s young in my opinion.
The Kelly/Laurence thing is such a one off outlier. Not to mention Laurence was the highest rated recruit at any position at any time in any given recruiting year, probably as far back as they've rated prospects. The team was absolutely loaded as well.
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