TOM on 165, 174 and 184
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184 is over the top competitive. Nickal might be better off not going up.
It will be interesting to see what comes out in the pennlive article tomorrow after interviewing Cael. Maybe some of the speculation on whether Hall wrestles this year, Bo's weight class etc will be put to rest. I'm not sure it will, but it will be interesting to see. I do think that BoJo and Martin move up--seems to make sense for a variety of reasons.
Can anyone think of a time when both finalists in a weight moved up a weight the next year? (Nickal and Martin) I can't find any in my memory, or in limited search time. Certainly with all of the projected moves 84 would seem to be the toughest weight in my mind, leaving 74 wide open.
Well, it's an interesting article, but they are as much in the dark about it as we are haha.
Offhand, I can only recall one recent instance in which both national finalists eventually moved up: Stieber and Oliver. They moved up in successive years.
I just hope Bo stays at 174...He will be a National Champion and rack up some big bonus points !!!! Rasheed has a shot to be all american if he continues to improve....
Yep...clicks, clicks, and more clicks is what The Open Mat is hoping for...though I do think there's a portion of all fan bases that don't keep up every day, and can learn a lot by reading such articles.
Well, according to Cael, he is expecting Nickal to stay at 174 one more year? While Hall redshirts, probably with the expectation the lineup in 2017 will be Joseph, Hall, Nickal.
yep. gives the rest of us something to prepare and aim for!On paper, way too early, the PSU line-up for 2017-18 looks pretty good.
So with the exception of Zain, the 2018-2019 lineup would be the same. Pretty solid!
The big year for graduation (losing wrestlers to eligibility), will happen after 2018-19; Cortez, Nolf, Nickal, Rasheed, Cassar, and Nevills.
Looks good except for Nevills as a Jr, but then I try not to make hits against posters with classes.
Joined by or adding to Hall, Manville, Nevills, Nevills, Lee, and Lee. And Fix and Wittlake would be a very nice adds to that team. All on Cael's spreadsheet I'm sure.
Cael must be a magician to make this all work with just 9.9 ships
He is at least in the heads of the competition and anonymous posters of the interweb. The Mind Freak!
Hear ya, but Cael has created something that transcends scholarships. It's definitely part of the equation for recruits and their parents, but there's (positive) elements of coming to Penn State and wrestling for Cael that are different than all but a couple schools, and maybe all schools right now. Those other factors are huge in recruiting.Cael must be a magician to make this all work with just 9.9 ships
Is that the slush fund they always talk about on HR?
+1
Cael said he expects Nick Lee to redshirt and take over for Zane at 149 the next year.
Yes, and they talk about it with reverence and awe.Is that the slush fund they always talk about on HR?
Wouldn't Cortez be a junior also?
http://testwrestlestat.azurewebsites.net/wrestler/profile/19934/cortez-jered
133 Cortez-Junior
CowboyUp's post had him as a Junior. Methinks you've been staring at your computer screen too long!!
Is that the slush fund they always talk about on HR?
It's actually a Slush-ie fund. We like to keep it fun around here
Damn! Too many late nights...133 Cortez-Junior
CowboyUp's post had him as a Junior. Methinks you've been staring at your computer screen too long!!
It's easy to remember if you say it like this ... he has the exact same eligibility as Nolf & Bo. (and Nevills, Rasheed, and Cassar). All of them have three years remaining, wow. It just gets confusing because Cassar and Cortez haven't wrestled for two years. Still only get five to complete once you start.
I'm thinking dropping Dayton Fix into this lineup somewhere would be nice ☺
Fact! Then allow yourself to think for a moment that the following season we are returning 9 AA and have a team on the sidelines that would finish top 15 at nationals.
Good time to be psu wrestling fans!
Questions, and some Takery:
165: "With the departure of three-time NCAA champion Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State), the Jordans, Isaac (Wisconsin) and Bo (Ohio State), along with Daniel Lewis (Missouri) looked to be contenders at 165. However, two confirmed weight moves, by two-time 157 pound NCAA champion Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) and two-time All-American Brian Realbuto (Cornell), have added to the intrigue at this weight. Martinez is immediately the favorite, having just one loss in his NCAA career, but where Realbuto fits is up for debate. Adding to the intrigue is whether or not Bo Jordan will still be at 165 or whether he moves up to 174."
- I've been out a lot this summer and this is the first I've seen mention of moves for Lewis & Realbuto. I'm guessing Realbuto down & Lewis up, but does anybody have links to other non-TOM news of these? TIA
174:
- I'm still guessing we go Nickal/McCutcheon at 174/184. And I still get a chuckle out of all this summer's Rasheed over-exuberance, given what we've heard of McCutcheon's practice room dominance.
- Also still guessing TanTom goes BoJo/Martin at 174/184
- I don't know the Valencias or Zeke Jones well enough (although I'll always remember him pouting off the arena floor after McCutcheon knocked off his Blake Stauffer in the 2015 R2. It was my first time on the floor at nationals and I wish I had been experienced enough to capture a photo as he completely ignored Stauffer post-match and walked right past me), but I'll go ahead & message-board guess Anthony/Zahid at 174/184 as well.
- all those guesses lead me to refute Alex Steen's conclusion that "This would be good news for Zach Epperly (Virginia Tech), Nathan Jackson (Indiana) and Kyle Crutchmer (Oklahoma State)." I think BoJo's gonna really blossom at 174 this year. Like, return to redshirting bonus-point BoJo blossom, and BoJo >>> all three of Epperly, Jackson & Crutchmer. I think we're in for three epic Bo v Bo battles this season. Anthony V is a real wild-card to me and I have no idea where he slots in with Epperly & Crutchmer, but beyond him, I'm guessing those two sit right in the 3-5 range. Effectively, if this Realbuto news is true (not saying it isn't--just that it's brand spanking new to me), we're really only watching a BoJo for Realbuto swap and an Anthony V for MyMar swap.
184:
- Guess: Myles Martin isn't going to get swallowed up here so easily. I see him fitting in with Brooks, Miklus, McCutcheon & Boyd, behind Dean, Abounader & Dudley.
165: "With the departure of three-time NCAA champion Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State), the Jordans, Isaac (Wisconsin) and Bo (Ohio State), along with Daniel Lewis (Missouri) looked to be contenders at 165. However, two confirmed weight moves, by two-time 157 pound NCAA champion Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) and two-time All-American Brian Realbuto (Cornell), have added to the intrigue at this weight. Martinez is immediately the favorite, having just one loss in his NCAA career, but where Realbuto fits is up for debate. Adding to the intrigue is whether or not Bo Jordan will still be at 165 or whether he moves up to 174."
- I've been out a lot this summer and this is the first I've seen mention of moves for Lewis & Realbuto. I'm guessing Realbuto down & Lewis up, but does anybody have links to other non-TOM news of these? TIA
174:
- I'm still guessing we go Nickal/McCutcheon at 174/184. And I still get a chuckle out of all this summer's Rasheed over-exuberance, given what we've heard of McCutcheon's practice room dominance.
- Also still guessing TanTom goes BoJo/Martin at 174/184
- I don't know the Valencias or Zeke Jones well enough (although I'll always remember him pouting off the arena floor after McCutcheon knocked off his Blake Stauffer in the 2015 R2. It was my first time on the floor at nationals and I wish I had been experienced enough to capture a photo as he completely ignored Stauffer post-match and walked right past me), but I'll go ahead & message-board guess Anthony/Zahid at 174/184 as well.
- all those guesses lead me to refute Alex Steen's conclusion that "This would be good news for Zach Epperly (Virginia Tech), Nathan Jackson (Indiana) and Kyle Crutchmer (Oklahoma State)." I think BoJo's gonna really blossom at 174 this year. Like, return to redshirting bonus-point BoJo blossom, and BoJo >>> all three of Epperly, Jackson & Crutchmer. I think we're in for three epic Bo v Bo battles this season. Anthony V is a real wild-card to me and I have no idea where he slots in with Epperly & Crutchmer, but beyond him, I'm guessing those two sit right in the 3-5 range. Effectively, if this Realbuto news is true (not saying it isn't--just that it's brand spanking new to me), we're really only watching a BoJo for Realbuto swap and an Anthony V for MyMar swap.
184:
- Guess: Myles Martin isn't going to get swallowed up here so easily. I see him fitting in with Brooks, Miklus, McCutcheon & Boyd, behind Dean, Abounader & Dudley.
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