Trustee Election Ballot: Appears Upwad State Caved and Quit

[Stufftodo]

Bullshit. Psu is a witness which does not want to comply with a subpoena. They would not dare make such a trivial thing the basis of a COI claim. If they did and won, several trustees would be VERY vulnerable.

Documentation from Penn State is being requested by the Paternos. Here is the most recent filing: http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/med...S RESPONSE TO COURT FEBRUARY 3 2017 ORDER.pdf

The Conflict of Interest clause in the Bylaws are here:

(a) Conflict of Interest. A “conflict of interest” exists when a reasonable observer, having knowledge of all of the relevant facts and circumstances, would conclude that a Trustee has an actual or apparent conflict of interest in a matter related to the University. In addition to financial conflicts of interest, a conflict of interest includes a situation in which a Trustee, family member or related entity has an interest that may lead the Trustee to act in a way that is incompatible with or a breach of the Trustee’s fiduciary duty to the institution or use such Trustee’s role to achieve personal gain or benefit or gain or benefit to family, friends or associates.

https://trustees.psu.edu/pdf/Bylaws November 2016.pdf

That does cover asking for documents that Jay, and the estate, are asking for from Penn State.

Jay would have to separate himself from any involvement with the suit or access to the documents, at least while the suit is pending.

 

[Stufftodo]

Are you saying pRick Dandrea would step if one of us files a lawsuit creating a COI between him and PSU?

No, I am saying that he could not be involved with it.

 

[demlion]

Documentation from Penn State is being requested by the Paternos. Here is the most recent filing: http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/PATERNO VS NCAA REPLY TO PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE TO COURT FEBRUARY 3 2017 ORDER.pdf

The Conflict of Interest clause in the Bylaws are here:

(a) Conflict of Interest. A “conflict of interest” exists when a reasonable observer, having knowledge of all of the relevant facts and circumstances, would conclude that a Trustee has an actual or apparent conflict of interest in a matter related to the University. In addition to financial conflicts of interest, a conflict of interest includes a situation in which a Trustee, family member or related entity has an interest that may lead the Trustee to act in a way that is incompatible with or a breach of the Trustee’s fiduciary duty to the institution or use such Trustee’s role to achieve personal gain or benefit or gain or benefit to family, friends or associates.

https://trustees.psu.edu/pdf/Bylaws November 2016.pdf

That does cover asking for documents that Jay, and the estate, are asking for from Penn State.

Jay would have to separate himself from any involvement with the suit or access to the documents, at least while the suit is pending.

Bullshit. It will be over before the Trustees ever vote on it. It will be decided by the court before Jay would even take office. The judge will decide this issue, not the trustees. Laughable, given the other conflicts on that board.

 

[Stufftodo]

Bullshit. It will be over before the Trustees ever vote on it. It will be decided by the court before Jay would even take office. The judge will decide this issue, not the trustees. Laughable, given the other conflicts on that board.

Unless one side quits, it will be there. If Penn State wins, just on this issue, Jay cannot use this as a "backdoor" to get the documents. If the Paternos win, Jay could not see anything related to this particular log, beyond what they got. It is a no win situation for Jay, if he is elected to the Board.

And, there are any number of other things that could pop out similar to this.

If the suit isn't there, Jay's conflict of interest goes away.

He could decide to wait a year until running, if the suit is resolved. The Board will still be there next year.

 

[ChiTownLion]

What is it that you don't want him to see?

 

[Stufftodo]

What is it that you don't want him to see?

No. I'm saying it can create a problem. Several other members do have conflicts of interests, but it is limited in scope, and not overly interesting. Harpster, for example, is part owner in a farm that sells corn at market value to Penn State. It is a relatively small transaction and the Board rarely votes on issues directly dealing with the College of Agriculture.

The various suits are of more public interest.

 

[bjf1991]

No. I'm saying it can create a problem. Several other members do have conflicts of interests, but it is limited in scope, and not overly interesting. Harpster, for example, is part owner in a farm that sells corn at market value to Penn State. It is a relatively small transaction and the Board rarely votes on issues directly dealing with the College of Agriculture.

The various suits are of more public interest.

OMG


You are a crack-up STD


Where would we be without you?

 

[Stufftodo]

OMG


You are a crack-up STD


Where would we be without you?

You would possibly a candidate for the Board.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

What is it that you don't want him to see?

that's exactly what I was thinking . . .

 

[demlion]

No. I'm saying it can create a problem. Several other members do have conflicts of interests, but it is limited in scope, and not overly interesting. Harpster, for example, is part owner in a farm that sells corn at market value to Penn State. It is a relatively small transaction and the Board rarely votes on issues directly dealing with the College of Agriculture.

The various suits are of more public interest.

It cant, and it won't. This a foolish . Very revealing, though. Tell me, dId they take a vote of the full board before they accepted the Freeh report's conclusions? Did they take a vote of the board on whether to answer the subpoena? If it is so obvious that the matter would be a conflict for J, why has the board never voted on the subpoena response? Lol. Piker.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Explain how Jay has a conflict because of a "suit." What suit?

His Navy Blue suit.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

No. I'm saying it can create a problem. Several other members do have conflicts of interests, but it is limited in scope, and not overly interesting. Harpster, for example, is part owner in a farm that sells corn at market value to Penn State. It is a relatively small transaction and the Board rarely votes on issues directly dealing with the College of Agriculture.

The various suits are of more public interest.

So if there were ever a situation where, oh I don't know, say, Penn State decided to sell some of its land, and the buyer was a builder that wanted to put more than 1000 units of student housing on that land, and the 7th largest stockholder in that builder's company just happened to be the bank that employed a B&I trustee who also sat on the executive committee, that would be limited in scope and not overly interesting?

Just trying to put these things on a scale to compare them with all the contracts Accu-weather got with Penn State, or Silcotek. But I guess a partition with a couple of sheets of drywall on it makes a good enough barrier to ward off any conflict of interest.

 

[Stufftodo]

Nothing of the supposed "relationships" that I have?

It cant, and it won't. This a foolish . Very revealing, though. Tell me, dId they take a vote of the full board before they accepted the Freeh report's conclusions? Did they take a vote of the board on whether to answer the subpoena? If it is so obvious that the matter would be a conflict for J, why has the board never voted on the subpoena response? Lol. Piker.

A false analogy. It would mean that Jay could not have access to those documents, beyond what had been granted by the court. It goes beyond voting, though there have been situations where the Board has voted, e.g. Lord's motion to "realign" Penn State's position in the Corman suit.

 

[Stufftodo]

So if there were ever a situation where, oh I don't know, say, Penn State decided to sell some of its land, and the buyer was a builder that wanted to put more than 1000 units of student housing on that land, and the 7th largest stockholder in that builder's company just happened to be the bank that employed a B&I trustee who also sat on the executive committee, that would be limited in scope and not overly interesting?

I think under the current policy, the B&I member could not be involved in the decision making. Nor could he see documents related the transaction that Penn State might have.

Just trying to put these things on a scale to compare them with all the contracts Accu-weather got with Penn State, or Silcotek. But I guess a partition with a couple of sheets of drywall on it makes a good enough barrier to ward off any conflict of interest.

Right now, as no one involved with Accu-Weather is on the Board. If Meyers was still on the Board, it would create the same problem.

For Jay, the problems are that it can limit his access to documents (or he could be removed if he doesn't) and that it could prevent him from voting on things in the future, on things that most of the people here care about.

As another example, Spanier is likely to be a witness in the Paterno vs. NCAA suit (assuming he is acquitted). Anything that would touch on Spanier, e.g. a motion to pay Spanier's legal bills, would create a conflict of interest.

The problem is, in most other cases, if one member has to abstain, it doesn't effect the result. Most everyone else votes in favor. In cases where Jay would have to abstain, the result is usually not unanimous. It is saying, in effect, on these issues, instead of 9 alumni members supporting proposal, it becomes 8 alumni members supporting this with Jay abstaining.

 

[demlion]

I think under the current policy, the B&I member could not be involved in the decision making. Nor could he see documents related the transaction that Penn State might have.



Right now, as no one involved with Accu-Weather is on the Board. If Meyers was still on the Board, it would create the same problem.

For Jay, the problems are that it can limit his access to documents (or he could be removed if he doesn't) and that it could prevent him from voting on things in the future, on things that most of the people here care about.

As another example, Spanier is likely to be a witness in the Paterno vs. NCAA suit (assuming he is acquitted). Anything that would touch on Spanier, e.g. a motion to pay Spanier's legal bills, would create a conflict of interest.

The problem is, in most other cases, if one member has to abstain, it doesn't effect the result. Most everyone else votes in favor. In cases where Jay would have to abstain, the result is usually not unanimous. It is saying, in effect, on these issues, instead of 9 alumni members supporting proposal, it becomes 8 alumni members supporting this with Jay abstaining.

Laughable. You are REALLY afraid of Jay, aren't you, STD? Wow. This will be great.fun.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

STD really seems to want the entire lawsuit to go away. Just sayin'.

 

[Zenophile]

STD really seems to want the entire lawsuit to go away. Just sayin'.

And he's most definitely not the only one.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

From Alice Pope:

Ballot positions for the 2017 election of trustees by the alumni have been determined. The names of the five candidates for three positions on the Board to be elected by alumni, and the order in which they will appear on the ballot are included below.

1. Albert L. Lord '67, Bus, Edgewater, MD

2. Joseph "Jay" V. Paterno '91, Lib, State College, PA

3. Robert J. Bowsher '86, Bus, San Diego, CA

4. Alice W. Pope '79, '83g, '86g, Lib, Brooklyn, NY

5. Robert C. Jubelirer '59, '62 JD, Lib, LAW, Boalsburg, PA


I miss the Cocco.

Can someone please tell me why Al Lord should be on the BOT, or why anyone should vote for him?

 

[Zenophile]

Can someone please tell me why Al Lord should be on the BOT, or why anyone should vote for him?

Why do you ask? Are you thinking of voting for Mr. Lord?

 

[bjf1991]

Nothing of the supposed "relationships" that I have? .

STD: How long does it take until you realize:

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU.

No one cares about you, your "relationships", your preferences in music , your tendencies, your recreational activities, or anything else about you .......... Except from the "stare at the Circus freak" standpoint of generating a bit of humor - and an occasional awkward curiosity vav your perversions and obsessions.

YOU ARE DECIDEDLY UNIMPORTANT.

Read that slowly five times - before you post. It will, hopefully, help to make your commentaries less obtuse and inane.

 

[demlion]

If Jay has a conflict, and has to recuse himself, what does Dambly have to do? Move to Siberia?

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Why do you ask? Are you thinking of voting for Mr. Lord?

LOL not quite.

I'm trying to find out why anyone could possibly vote for him, or why anyone thinks he's done/will do anything on the BOT.

 

[Zenophile]

LOL not quite.

I'm trying to find out why anyone could possibly vote for him, or why anyone thinks he's done/will do anything on the BOT.

Your focus on Lord is interesting. What is your opinion of some of the others? Casey and Salvino, for example.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Your focus on Lord is interesting. What is your opinion of some of the others? Casey and Salvino, for example.

I have no opinion on them because I haven't spent time researching them.

Lord has no business being on Penn State's BOT. He's done nothing other than mutter the name "Paterno" every now and then. Former student loan executives have no business being on a governing body at any institution of higher education.

In a way, it's kind of like Rex Tillerson being secretary of state, or Wilbur Ross as secretary of commerce. Trump shots aside, Al Lord has done nothing and has shown nothing in regards to many challenges facing Penn State today--including runaway costs--and should not be entrusted with being a good steward of the university given the fact that his company (and others like it) are huge contributors to the problem of runaway costs.

Yet because he said "Paterno" a couple of times, the sheeple will go with him.

 

[bjf1991]

I have no opinion on them because I haven't spent time researching them.

Lord has no business being on Penn State's BOT. He's done nothing other than mutter the name "Paterno" every now and then. Former student loan executives have no business being on a governing body at any institution of higher education.

In a way, it's kind of like Rex Tillerson being secretary of state, or Wilbur Ross as secretary of commerce. Trump shots aside, Al Lord has done nothing and has shown nothing in regards to many challenges facing Penn State today--including runaway costs--and should not be entrusted with being a good steward of the university given the fact that his company (and others like it) are huge contributors to the problem of runaway costs.

Yet because he said "Paterno" a couple of times, the sheeple will go with him.

Or a Con Man controlling approx $1 Billion per year of PSU's budget?

LOL

You're gonna' ignore a gunshot wound to the head - - - but, for some reason , you have a righteous obsession with a paper cut?
Right....... That's the ticket

Jackass

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Or a Con Man controlling approx $1 Billion per year of PSU's budget?

LOL

You're gonna' ignore a gunshot wound to the head - - - but, for some reason , you have a righteous obsession with a paper cut?
Right....... That's the ticket

Jackass

Barry, I never said anything about anyone else or my opinions regarding them. I have lots of opinions, and I don't think Penn State is currently governed or led effectively.

But, don't let that stop you from going off the rails.

Al Lord and his ilk are far more than a papercut. Yet, you're singularly focused with your Sandy Barbour crush with a little bit of Paterno sprinkled in for good measure.

 

[Zenophile]

I have no opinion on them because I haven't spent time researching them.

Lord has no business being on Penn State's BOT. He's done nothing other than mutter the name "Paterno" every now and then. Former student loan executives have no business being on a governing body at any institution of higher education.

In a way, it's kind of like Rex Tillerson being secretary of state, or Wilbur Ross as secretary of commerce. Trump shots aside, Al Lord has done nothing and has shown nothing in regards to many challenges facing Penn State today--including runaway costs--and should not be entrusted with being a good steward of the university given the fact that his company (and others like it) are huge contributors to the problem of runaway costs.

Yet because he said "Paterno" a couple of times, the sheeple will go with him.

I'll take Al Lord's brand of courageous leadership over that of his cowardly & weak-kneed appointed and self-appointed counterparts any day of the week.

How many times did I say "Paterno"?

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I'll take Al Lord's brand of courageous leadership over that of his cowardly & weak-kneed appointed and self-appointed counterparts any day of the week.

How many times did I say "Paterno"?

Al Lord and courageous leadership is about as comical as the pair of dullards who say Barkley gets caught from behind or isn't one of the GOATs at Penn State.

Keep on keeping on, sheeple.

 

[Zenophile]

Al Lord and courageous leadership is about as comical as the pair of dullards who say Barkley gets caught from behind or isn't one of the GOATs at Penn State.

Keep on keeping on, sheeple.

The Barkley thing is a fabulous straw man. And name calling is definitely one of my personal favorite concession tactics

In summary: A+ work here.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

The Barkley thing is a fabulous straw man. And name calling is definitely one of my personal favorite concession tactics

In summary: A+ work here.

I'm so terribly sorry you're the least bit disappointed with my use of the term "sheeple". Sometimes it's hard to look in the mirror and admit it, isn't it?

 

[lionville]

Explain how Jay has a conflict because of a "suit." What suit?

He must be talking about the grey pinstripe.

 

[Zenophile]

I'm so terribly sorry you're the least bit disappointed with my use of the term "sheeple". Sometimes it's hard to look in the mirror and admit it, isn't it?

Marvelous.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Marvelous.

 

[bjf1991]

Barry, I never said anything about anyone else or my opinions regarding them. I have lots of opinions, and I don't think Penn State is currently governed or led effectively.

But, don't let that stop you from going off the rails.

Al Lord and his ilk are far more than a papercut. Yet, you're singularly focused with your Sandy Barbour crush with a little bit of Paterno sprinkled in for good measure.

I know you "never said anything about anyone else"....... That's the point

LOL - Sandy Barbour is a paper cut
But a very symbolic and illustrative one - - - which you would know if you watched my video discussion on "Tuition Costs" - - - - one of NUMEROUS SUBJECTS AND GOVERNANCE ISSUES which I have discussed at length.

Seeing as how I am the ONLY individual EVER to run as a BOT Candidate - who EVER addressed these issues I depth, or who EVER proposed real, tangible solutions and course of action.......... I am a little surprised you wouldn't be aware of that ...... Since you have such a grave concern vav PSU Governance

Aside from a passing comment - referring to the repudiation of the Freeh report as a "righteous and necessary act of triage".....but one that, without commitment to providing Righteous, Responsible Governance, would be meaningless.......

[of course, you must have "missed" this.....



So there ya' go]

I doubt you will find any of the things you feel I "obsess" over, even meriting a mention

Jackass ...... And you know where you can show be your "rail"

 

[Zenophile]

That's all you've got? Sissy.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I know you "never said anything about anyone else"....... That's the point

LOL - Sandy Barbour is a paper cut
But a very symbolic and illustrative one - - - which you would know if you watched my video discussion on "Tuition Costs" - - - - one of NUMEROUS SUBJECTS AND GOVERNANCE ISSUES which I have discussed at length.

Seeing as how I am the ONLY individual EVER to run as a BOT Candidate - who EVER addressed these issues I depth, or who EVER proposed real, tangible solutions and course of action.......... I am a little surprised you wouldn't be aware of that ...... Since you have such a grave concern vav PSU Governance

Aside from a passing comment - referring to the repudiation of the Freeh report as a "righteous and necessary act of triage".....but one that, without commitment to providing Righteous, Responsible Governance, would be meaningless.......

[of course, you must have "missed" this.....

View embedded media

So there ya' go]

I doubt you will find any of the things you feel I "obsess" over, even meriting a mention

Jackass ...... And you know where you can show be your "rail"

And the above post is exactly why you will never stand a chance at election or otherwise contributing anything of value to Penn State.

 

[bjf1991]

And the above post is exactly why you will never stand a chance at election or otherwise contributing anything of value to Penn State.

And why is that? O, sage Oracle?

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

And why is that? O, sage Oracle?

Because you have less ability to engage in civil conversation & discourse than Donald Trump.

 

[bjf1991]

Because you have less ability to engage in civil conversation & discourse than Donald Trump.

LOL.......I'll consider the source

Tell me, O Oracle, exactly how much "discourse" - civil or otherwise - have you heard from EVERY ONE of the existing 36 Trustees, COMBINED, on issues such as:

Capital Spending
Administrative Bloat
Efforts to run PSU under a "For Profit" model, rather than as a "Public Trust"
Board accountability
The promotion of "disengagement" furthered through the existence of a dysfunctional "Executive Committee"
etc
etc
etc


You know...those issues that, in total, comprise the duties and responsibilities of a Governance Board?

Since I did pass elementary school math - and I know that anything divided by "ZERO" = Infinity ......... I have devoted an infinite amount of time to these issues, relative to the Board members you appear to support.

 

[Nitt1300]

This is a fight over table scraps. Given the current structure of the board and the power structure behind that, you could elect the Magnificent Seven to the board and add Chuck Norris and Captain America and you'd still have nine members who have no power and will have no impact.

The answer, if there is one, is in getting the legislature to take action. But they get paid very, very well and the same interests are in control there. You want change? Change that.