USC connected to Robert E. Lee?
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You keep making that claim with no proof. I googled tear down Jefferson memorial and the only results were from The Federalist, Rush Limbaugh, TheBlaze, TheDailyCaller and FoxNews. So far, everything indicates it is a made up story by right wing propagandists.
Two random people. Big deal. Keep trying. I can find thousands of crazy people saying crazy things.
Not sure why you are trying to defend the statues of people who killed 400,000 Americans and then
at the same time, lump great americans who founded this country with them.
It was one Rizzo mural and one Rizzo statue. The Rizzo mural is the most vandalized mural in Philadelphia. Many people in Philly rightfully hate Rizzo.
Lee freed his slaves before the war began. Grant did not free his slaves until after the war, when the constitution was amended to prohibit slavery. Grant only gave up his slaves when he was legally compelled to do so.
Let them have there d@mn statues. I think there should be a Burger King type model here. Next to each and every one of those statues should be a statue or kiosk that explains there treasonous racist history. Leave it up let the world know who they really were.
Lee took up arms to defend his state against an illegal invasion by a tyrant who effectively suspended the constitution.
Slavery was legal. Secession was legal. Lincoln murdered more than 300,000 southerners whose only offense was complying with the laws of the United States.
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so he bombed an entire city block and killed 11 people, including 5 kids.
was that so wrong?
Football posts? Here?
That was Wilson Goode.
Rizzo had other "issues" Police brutality is the first that comes to mind.
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dayum I thought that was Rizzo, but you are correct
Rizzo was mayor for the 1978 MOVE conflict that killed Ramp.
Yea, I had been working in Downtown Philly the previous 3 summers before that all went down.
IIRC I was just about ready to Graduate from PSU when that happened. And really I don't remember a lot of what happened in April and May of '85. Lets just say a lot of time was spent at The Brick House, The Train Station, Nello's and Stoney's Post House. A LOT OF TIME. LOL.
Jesus....I don't know where to start with that... In a thread full of posts not understanding the intricacies of this time period in American history, this is hands down the worst post of thread.
Get your cities straight. That ain't Portland.Also, while we're ripping down statues, why doesn't anyone have a problem with a giant lenin statue in Portland? The guy killed quite a few innocent people, yet he's celebrated for some reason.
I couldn't live further away GG. You have to give me a pass, and I'll forgive you next time you confuse FTL and WPB.
I'll give you a pass this time.
The Lenin statue is very strange. If there was a large Russian population in Seattle that wanted it to be removed, I'm sure most Seattle-ites would have no problem with it.
Mt. Nittany and Oblvi don't agree for a second. No matter how much we disagree on things, they are good americans and I can only assume think that is an insane position.
Not sure why you're asking me to comment on another poster's scribe. Maybe he's illustrating absurdity w/ more absurdity. I don't know. I'm not him.
Nonsense. Like Joe's statue they'll never go up again. Anywhere. Except a token one or two. Let's be real.
True--just a bunch of British and Tories--who were their countrymen at the time.
Had they lost, they would have been strung up like Nathan Hale.
Lincoln could have done the same. Much of his party wanted him to do that (it's why Johnson was impeached after he tried to follow Lincoln). Lincoln chose "With malice toward none--with charity toward all". He chose to treat his defeated enemy as ... Americans.
No he didn't. Not sure why you are repeating Confederate propaganda.
Documents show Lee was cruel to his slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely beat slaves captured after trying to escape. Historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor said in a 2008 American Heritage article that Lee was angry about the slaves' demands for freedom and "resorted to increasingly harsh measures to maintain control," breaking up most slave families. One slave at Arlington, Pryor noted, called Lee, "the worst man I ever see."
Grant on the Confederacy :
“That cause, I believe, is one of the worst for which a people have fought, and one for which there is the least excuse.”
Grant owned one slave and freed him in the 1850s.
Ohio does....
And Ashland County, named after the home of Henry Clay, a slave owner and one who brokered compromises that allowed slavery to continue. Carroll County named after Declaration of Independence signer and slave owner Charles Carroll. And of course counties named for Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin.
and *lots* of statues of Sherman.
In cemeteries? At Gettysburg? No.
And today vandals decapitated a Confederate solider statue at Camp Chase Cemetery in Columbus. Folks also are demanding that the statue of Columbus in front of Columbus city hall be taken down. Oberlin, Ohio, today changed Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day. New York is discussing removal of their Columbus statue in Columbus Square, and Baltimore's statue was defaced.
You mean this isn't about "traitors" (as we've been instructed by the nuanced), and something else altogether? Hmmm...
So when are you getting out your musket? The war ended 150 YEARS ago.
You are as bad as the French who refused to allow Belgium to issue a 2 Euro coin to honor the 200th anniversary of Waterloo.
It can be about one thing for some people and another for others. The world isn't black and white.
You'd think Tener's next question would have been...."Well, are there any statues of Mayor Goode in Philadelphia?"
I guess if there are, he's ok with them - which is perplexing.
But there's a lot of folks out there--on many different sides--who seem to be trying to make it that way.
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