USC VS PSU. A USC Fan's Perspective
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Nothing you posted has anything to do with my original point. You think you're on to something though.
This post is just an insult. Not sure why you need to degrade people? Just disscussing football.
You started out okay and then began going over the top with your enthusiasm .... but, that's okay because that's what fans do. You see the entire USC squad as full of NFL pro-bowlers.
Here is what I see ... a USC team that only played 5 teams with a .500 or better record .... and you lost 3 of those games. The two games that you won against .500 teams were by scores of 26-13 and 21-17. By reading your description of the wall to wall 5 star talent all over the field, USC should have won every game 52-0 after you started your new qb.
Here is something for you to consider ... PSU played 9 teams at .500 or better .... and we won 7 of those games. That's a pretty significant difference 7 wins against .500 vs. 2 wins.
I am not saying PSU will win, but I suspect we will be the best team you will have played other than Alabama.
I never said NFL pro bowlers. I said great athletes. USC has recruited a lot of top physical specimens. I actually predicted Penn state would win. But I do know a lot about the strengths and weeknesses of the team. And with each post I make a specific point. I said that our d line was not our strength. I said that our secondary was our strength and that 3 of the 4 starters would be playing in the NFL. They are NFL prospects. And it is true that USC's starters are
Almost all 4 and 5 star recruits. You can look up the recruiting Classes
And NFL mock drafts if you like. Usc started off pretty bad but has improved tremendously for many reasons that I mentioned in several posts. Psu has also improved. Should be a good match up.
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Because you missed the point of my post and are a fanboy. 100 meter times don't make tackles. The geographical location is a commit doesn't make s play. I stated Barkley could break 100 yards and got TE geography and 100 meter times. I didn't state he would gash anyone but he has a shot which he does. You want to discuss football, by all means do. Don't be the homer fanboy stating your team is unbeatable. This is a coin flip game.
you said he can take any carry to the house. sure, it is possible. but not as likely against usc as this usc team is very fast. then after that you just starting throwing out insults where i have stated mostly facts. 100m meter do not make tackles. true. but they help. that is why the best teams recruit bigger and or faster players. location where a recruit from being an isolated event does not help. that is true. my point is that sc gets the best players from all over the us. they cherry pick top athletes from all over. how many top players does psu get from ca? my point is that sc gets a lot of big fast athletes. yes, more than psu. i would say that barkley might get good yards against sc. i just dont think he get many long runs. usc is decent against the run. not great. but they dont give up many big plays because of team speed. and apparently you did not read my posts. i predicted a psu win. please read my original posts before you start with all the name calling.
You are a walking cliche. I don't care what you think as you sound like a kid who bought the announcers lines. You really do. You are still babbling about recruiting like you won some trophies there.
I am a grown man with a doctorate and a family. I was a walk on at usc in the 80's. Ironically my brother actually lives in La Jolla. But you offer nothing to this conversation. There is no point in talking as you prefer to just insult me instead of talking football.
I made a simple statement about Barkley's ability to break off a long run and you started talking about USC's recruiting and track times. He was the B!G offensive POY for a reason as he is a game changer. He will be the focus of the USC defense just like he has been for every team PSU has faced. That is why PSU has been able to go over the top so well on most teams. Saying Barkley can break a long run on ANY team in the nation isn't a crazy statement. He is that talented, so if you disagree with that...say that. Don't tell me about a TE from Pa or how you can recruit FL. PSU has recruits from FL, CA, Ga, Bama....etc. Maybe you think people here aren't aware of USC's ability to recruit, but most understand that already. That has nothing to do with this game to be honest as both teams are young and talented.
Basically it's like you saying Jackson can take any kick to the house and I say he can't because we have two big fast 4 star WR's from NJ on our special teams. Of course that isn't the case as Jackson is a freak. I don't need to tell you about our backup punter from Ga to get that point across.
I'm sure USC does have some elite athletes, including some very fast players in the secondary.
However, I would refer to you watching his highlights from OSU last year. That OSU defense was very fast and laden with NFL talent. I'm confident that USC's defense (while good) is not nearly as good as OSU's last year.
In addition to a number of very tough runs for 5-10 yards, I'd refer to the 1:05 minute mark. Enjoy.
Good luck on Jan 2.
Edit: And BTW, Barkley is stronger and faster this year.
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The wide receivers are the strength of our team. You will not have faced a better unit all year.....they're six deep in terms of talent. There will be matchup problems because there are always matchup problems. There is no linebacker in college football that can handle an athletic 6' 6" tight end in space. Barkley is the best back in college football and the quarterback is tough as nails and the definition of winner. The offensive line is the weakness of the team, but the skill players are the best collective group in the country. We will score points on you, whether or not it will be enough remains to be seen.
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Street smarts vs. book smarts, don't take it as an insult just learn from it. La Jolla is a well known poster here and to be honest some of your posts have a homer-quality to them but you genuinely do seem like a nice guy. Still, you are using quite a bit of rhetoric absent of fact whether you know it our not, the situation is more fluid than you make it out to be.
Look, I can't say I wanted to play you guys. USC definitely has that big program swagger. You're a hot team and in the past when we've played head to head the talent disparity did show up (at least the last 2 times we've played).......but I'll tell you what I've told some fans who also hadn't played us in a while.
This isn't your grandfather's Penn State.
This team is built much differently from top to bottom. In the past, Ohio State, Nebraska, and from time-to-time, you guys would beat us purely on team speed. We've matched up favorably with any team we've played this year in terms of team speed, and we've exposed speed deficiencies in teams like Iowa and Michigan State.
Our problem is the immaturity of our offensive and defensive lines but I'm pretty sure you will have problems with our skill positions players, everybody has. I haven't watched enough tape to say definitively how we match up but I know you guys smoked Washington and that was impressive. It should be a good game and much closer than it has been in the past.
If you guys win, you get to say you beat the champs of the (press anointed) "best conference in the country", which is always fun. If we win, we beat that monster program from the left coast. Regardless, both teams will be forces to be reckoned with next year and maybe we'll even see each other in the championship game.
Good luck!
I did not say barkley can't have a long run or two against usc. I said it is unlikely. And I do think it would hard for adoree jackson to take it to the house against teams with tough defenses like bama, wisky etc. By the way, I do actually like your wr core lot. I like them more more than usc's. I think juju smith will be the best wr on the filed, but I think your starters are better overall as group. They are very good. If you read my posts, I say these things throughout.
And I do you think stats tell some of the of the story. You say you are well aware of usc's players. ok. As an example, on defense psu has three 4 stars, eight 3 stars and one 2 star starting. I am using rivals, but you can look at scout etc and it is similar. PSU's d will be playing against an offense team with two 5 stars, seven 4 stars and two 3 stars. 8 or 9 of 11 on usc's offense are pro prospects. Probably only 6 on sc's defense are pro prospects. Chance of playing the nfl, stars and and the amount of top offers a kid has out of hs do not mean everything. But they certainly mean something. PSU does not recruit nationally like sc. PSU's defense is generally a 3 star talent level on d. The 2nd string on your d is pretty much all 3 stars. Sc's 2nd string offense is all pretty much all 4 and 5 stars. I do could go through the same for sc's d vs psu offense. PSU's offense has a good amount of talent, but the OL is very young. I do think psu's offense vs the usc defense is more favorable for psu than the psu's d vs the sc offense. But the coaching is probably very good on both sides for psu. Does this mean that sc will win? No. But sc is loaded with talent.
None of this should make you angry. Just quoting a bunch of stats. None of this proves anything definitively. These are just facts with a few opinions thrown in.
Regardless of our differences. What is your prediction on the game? Mine is psu 28-27. I just think sc is loaded with talent, but a year away.
It doesn't make me angry at all, but I can only laugh at this point in time. You are literally listing star ratings for a game where these guys are already on the field in college and some for 2-3 years. I've said this game is a coin flip to you a few times now....do you not know what that means Doc? It means I think either team could win and it wouldn't be some huge shock or upset. PSU has 4 WR's with NFL potential. Up to 3 RB's with NFL potential. 2 OL with NFL potential. The starting TE will play on Sundays. The young DL has 2-3 guys that may grow into NFL guys in 2-3 years. Only one LB is leaving this year and he will get his shot in the NFL. A few other LB's have NFL potential along with 2-3 DB's. Do you know what all of that means come January 2nd....nothing at all.
you basically have said that all the talent that I am talking about makes very little difference as psu has tons of talent too. ok, so do you think that usc is not as talented as psu? and that stars and offers mean nothing? psu is mostly a 3 star roster. especially on defense. are you saying that all those 3 stars at psu have now all panned out and just as many of them will go pro as the players on usc's roster? yes or no? which team is more talented?
and you have said it is pick em type game. you have said that it could go either way. but if you had to pick, which teams wins?
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PSU is my pick of course as they are way more talented.
I love that you say you are a Doc and try to use such piss poor logic...kudos.
If you are over the age of 12 I'd be shocked. If you are, you should ask for a refund on your Education.
Why be sarcastic? I know you don't think that psu is more talented. Why can't you just rebut my points without the insults and profanity. Why do act nasty when I literally just quote stats and facts with a little rationale and reasoning thrown in? What is so crazy about what I am saying. I am not a medical doctor. I said I had a doctorate.PSU is my pick of course as they are way more talented.
So you have a CLEARLY more talented (your guess, not mine) USC at home, yet you are picking PSU. You are trying to say USC has so much more talent based on "stars", but then want to say PSU will win out in Southern California? Either your FOS and are afraid to say USC will win on this site or you really do think that these "star" counts from 2-3 years ago will determine this game. PSU won the toughest division and conference in the country this year....yet they didn't have the star power to do it according to your logic. I look for a good game and if you ever really do want to talk legitimately about the game, by all means bring up a real conversation about the game. Maybe where your 3-4 look will give us trouble. Not M Farrell's opinion on HS kids.
i think you talk in a vacuum sometimes. you interpret thing incorrectly. or you assume of infer things that i dont mean. you extrapolate a little piece of what i am saying to favor your argument. for example, not mike farrell's opinion solely. my talent evaluation is based on rivals, scout, 24/7, espn, phil steele, nfl scouting projections etc.
i do think usc has better talent. i think psu has better coaching. i am not completely sold on helton. i like coaching over talent. but talent is important. i like coaches that do more with less like, gundy, dantonio, chip kelly, chryst, petersen, patterson etc. i think i might put franklin in there too as he did well at low talent vandy and has revived psu's program.
You can keep going, but I really did kind of tune you out once you started with the high school stars and track time stuff. Sorry, just being honest. Hoping for a healthy good game, but I can't debate star ratings anymore. It's just blah...and meaningless.
how about nfl draft reports then? but you can certainly put me in ignore as you and i do not see eye to eye.
I don't care how talented you think USC or PSU is...I just care that PSU wins as there is no trophy for best scouting reports or best star rating from 3 years ago.
but we were talking about why each team would win. there are various factors. talent, coaching. people go to message boards to discuss these things. if not everyone would just post a score with no discussion. my last post. you can have the last word if you want.
Well played right there...well played. Maybe we just get more talented in the second half!!!!
You do realize that once players enroll at a school those star rankings mean jack squat, right? Who cares what some recruiting gurus thought when the kid was a junior or senior in high school. Once they enroll their college performance is all that matters, the stars are based on high school and therefore are now completely meaningless.
By your logic a team like Bama will always be the most talented in the country, regardless of how they perform on the field. If Bama were to miss on a bunch of top high school talent and have a couple of losing seasons (hypothetically of course), by your star ranking logic they'd still be the #1 team in the country. Don't you see how silly that mindset is?
I have no horse in this race, but could I get a translation on this sentence?:
Is that like left-coast jive or something? That's some pretty funky diction for somebody that supposedly holds a Doctorate Degree....what is the sentence trying to say anyway?
I am saying that usc has mostly 4 and 5 stars starting and in the two deep. Mostly guys who had national offers from tons of big programs. PSU has mostly 3 stars starting and in the two deep and not nearly as many players with a lot national offers. They have some, but not that many. PSU's second string is all 3 stars. So I asked if the poster if he felt that stars and how many offers a player had out of hs had any bearing on how much talent a team has. I also asked if he felt that usc had more talent than PSU. He never answered any of these questions. And if you read all my posts and follow this thread you will see where this is all going. The teams that win the national championships do have the most 4 and 5 stars.
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That might be true but it means absolutely nothing in terms of who is going to win the Rose Bowl.
Again, that might be true but the reason they win is not because they were 4-5 stars in high school rankings. The reason they win is because of the performance of those players in college.
What you seem to be struggling to clearly articulate is that you believe that 4-5 star recruits are more likely to be better players at the college level (which I agree with by the way), and therefore since USC has more 4-5 star recruits on their roster than PSU you believe USC is the better team (this part I don't necessarily agree with).
What you seem to be struggling to grasp is that we are telling you our team of 3 star recruits are just as good as your team of 4-5 star recruits based on what transpired on the field this season. Just because a kid was rated 5 stars in high school doesn't mean he's playing at a 5 star level in college and that a team full of 5 star recruits will win. Once enrolled, the on field performance trumps prior recruiting rankings by a country mile, and PSU fans are trying to tell you that your team doesn't have the talent edge that you think it has because you seem to be focused on data points and rankings that don't mean anything anymore.
I agree with most of what you say. My point was just about talent. I never said usc was a better team. I said they had a lot more talent. If you don't believe me, ask some nfl scouts. Or we can wait for the next few nfl drafts. But I actually predicted a 28-27 psu win in this game. I have stated a ton of reasons for this in my previous posts. The only way to see where this came from is to read all my posts. Good luck in the game.
agree. troy polamalu was a 2 star and clay matthews was a walk on. but there is a correlation between highly ranked recruiting classes and talent. if you have mostly 3 stars it means that most of the players are a 3 star talent level. some will exceed that level and eventually be all league/americans/go pro etc. and some will play a 2 at a level.
but forget star level or the fact that player had 30 offers out of hs including 10 from powerhouses. I know which players on usc's rosters have nfl potential. I follow it closely. and us has more pro prospects than psu. don't argue with me. argue with nfl scouts.
What does any of this have to do with the fact that USC has only played 5 teams with an above-.500 record and is 2-3 against those 5 teams??? (hello!!! McFly!!!, 7 of USC's 9 victories are against teams with LOSING RECORDS and USC has only beaten 2 teams with above-.500 records!!!). PSU otoh, owns 5 victories over teams with above-.500 records (5-2 against these teams) and only 4 of PSU's wins are against teams with sub-.500 records. What on earth does your rambling about 5-Stars have to do with the price of tea in China? Does a recruits star-rating somehow negate actual losses on the field? If so, which service is used to determine the absolute star-rating for loss cancel-ization purposes? Still have no clue what you're attempting to say - are you trying to say that if a 3-Star or 4-Star player outperforms a 5-Star player at the FBS level and has projected higher draft potential, etc... - the pro scouts just ignore all of their on-field performance tape at the FBS level and revert back to how many stars some silly-@ss jock-sniffer, who has never been employed to evaluate talent in any meaningful way at the Collegiate or NFL level, gave the kid a "5 Star Rating".....? Huh? WTF? Are you sure you have a doctorate degree? If so, it wasn't from a box of Cracker Jacks, was it?
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