Yeah...Turk is an ok Dude. He's spirited in his opinions but I respect that. Also a standup move to honor his bet.
Vincenzo Joseph ( Penn State) toys with Kaleb Young (forget where he's going)
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Sitting 10 months out I feel as certain that Vincenzo will be wrestling in next year's finals (assuming good health) as I did about Nolf at this time last year, or as I did about Bo's chances after watching Bo physically dominate his match against Epperly.
Given all the crap people like to post about Jimmy, whether it is a preseason ranking or some mysterious loss.
I would like to make a point that exemplifes the importance of Jimmy Gulibon. Penn State won the Big10 tourney this year by 23.5 points. Jimmy scored 15 points and Iowa scored 0 at 141. Put Jimmy in a black singlet and give Penn State Iowa's 141 production and Iowa fans would be telling us how it is much more prestigious to win a B1G title than one of those national championship things. Jimmy has been and is a very important ingredient in the overall success Penn State has enjoyed over the previous 4 seasons.
We get spoiled and raise our expectations for everyone by the careers of Q, ER, and DT when in reality, the Jimmy Gulibon's and Mike Evan's of the world are much more commonplace. Mike Evans placed 6th three times, and Jimmy has a chance to add onto his 5th place finish from two years ago. Placing a couple times at nationals is a huge accomplishment, and that should never be poo-poo'd as failure. Most of us would have dreamed of going to nationals let alone place. So cut the guys some slack.
... and Mike Tognetti, please don't come on here and try to make a point by diminishing a young man's accomplishments on the mat when we know you have no right to do so. The fact that you probably didn't give it a second thought before typing and hitting send speaks volumes about you as a person. Shameful.
... and Mike Tognetti, please don't come on here and try to make a point by diminishing a young man's accomplishments on the mat when we know you have no right to do so. The fact that you probably didn't give it a second thought before typing and hitting send speaks volumes about you as a person. Shameful.
Mikey... feels some twisted vindication by attempting to diminish the ability of a kid who if he was his own... he'd be raving about wrestling for the Slow Pokes. He makes himself look like a plain and thoughtless... and completely mindless simpleton when he comes out of no where to dog a Penn State wrestler who like all 29 members of his team... make the difference in winning championships. I would have loved to have sniffed a PA state final. Jimmie made 4 and was a 4 time PA State wrestling champ.
This thread was about Cenzo... Champ. But you took it off in one of your classic, WTF, tangents that gets you the vitriol you deserve as an internet clown.
But I digress for the regressed. Jimmie Gulibon wrestles for the most dominate, kick your ass, collegiate wrestling team in the country that housed Captain Regressed Slow Pokes in the Dual Championship. Housed them minus a heavy weight. I loved as John Smith sat perplexed and vexed as Jason Nolf technically took Ryan Blees apart and then showed him Rec Hall's LED's. There were almost 7,000 people feeling as one as Jason Nolf took it to Blees and gave him a wrestling lesson his coac could never give him.
I would have loved to see Cenzo do that to Chance Marstellar, but I won't get that "chance". That Poke has left the stable, maybe never getting enough "chances" to get to a dinner table as he was thrown out at 157 looking like a fraction of his former self. A starving little Poke looking and finding a new pasture in which to build his immense God given ability. I only with we could put Mikey out to pasture with the other "animals" and have him age gracefully like animals do... in silence.
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True, but let's not forget the vitriol aimed at Q before he won that first title -- questioning his desire when he wrestled with a shoulder injury and even one poster saying Q needed to dump his girlfriend (now his wife). Plus some of the same aimed at the Altons.
Point is, we artificially raise expectations of our star recruits -- the more decorated and the closer to State College, the more absurdly.
Kind of a creepy thing to enjoy, he is arguably the greatest American freestyle wrestler ever. Also you have only seen him in his sons corner once! Esposito and Perry man his corner.
So very true. Regarding Q, I remember talk that he'd need to change his style away from throws if he were going to have any success.
Smith is one of the few wrestlers in history to have proved themselves in college, at the Olympic level, and as a coach. He has my utmost respect. I believe JoJo would have been top 4 last year if not for his injury (what was it anyway). He'll be a tough out for another 3 years.
Just to be clear 99% of the vitriol including the girl friend crap directed at Q was by ONE poster, the infamous spyker.
I think a lot more of the abuse is heaped on jimmy because a)he's on psu and b)flo did the ranking.
If it joe smucketely from clarion ranked by earl it would not have been as much Internet fodder as it is/was.
Oh yea Racer, I like it when you talk dirty., I was able to watch John in the crowd personally struggle, that was enough in a sick way...
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To be accurate, Nolf didn't wrestle Smith at the National Duals. He took apart and pinned Blees (now transferred to Va Tech). Smith was injured/sick and didn't wrestle in the Duals.
Was that the match where it was clear Nolf was setting him up for half the match, but couldn't hit the move until the 3rd? I seem to remember Gibbons remarking on it a few times.
Yes, Nolf did that a number of times this year, including this match as I recall.
Nolf spent the entire match playing with his food, before he finally ate it.
I enjoyed right before, where Cael, Cody, and Nolf discuss the math and strategize what it would take to get the pin instead of the tech. A TD by Nolf ends the match. Nolf comes out and is practically begging Blees to take his leg, maybe to give up 2 so he'd have room to work with. Blees doesn't take the bait and they wait around a minute before Nolf hits a standing cradle.
That was a wild 3rd period. At first, I thought maybe Nolf was gassed, but it didn't take long to see he could get the TD that would give him a TF whenever he wanted to but was looking for, and got, the pin. Did Cael, Cody and Nolf really discuss it on the broadcast? I was there in person and haven't watched the TV version, although I have it on my DVR.
Yeah, there was definitely a discussion, see here. It's not possible to tell what they're saying without the ability to read lips, but I can't imagine what else they might have been talking about except how to get 6 instead of 5.
Watching the match live, it was obvious to me that was Nolf's plan. He was passing up a few opportunities to get the points that would have given him a tf. It was a real adrenaline rush to see him execute the plan to perfection.
What Nolf did in that match -- eschewing takedown opportunities to get a feet-to-back move, against a quality starter from a D1 power team, who knew what Nolf was trying to do -- is completely absurd.
Also completely true.
Also completely true.
Nolf did this several times during the season when the opportunity presented itself. Love, love, love that attitude and approach!
Perhaps my favorite, was watching Jason pin the Lehigh kid, in front of Beca's bought and paid for team sitting behind their hometown team.
Don't need a geography lesson on that area. I'm from DuBois and we regularly kicked Clearfield's Curwensville's, West Branch's, and P-O's a$$. My 3 years in HS we were 12-1 against those 4 schools.
I was worried with the Lehigh one......Jason could have been arrested for assault. OSU was a methodical dance with a purposeful yet gentle cradle and roll to back. Lehigh was crash test dummy training.
Then you must have wrestled a long time ago. WB does not schedule DuBois there buddy. 4A and 1A....and they don't meet in the post season and haven't for decades. That leaves the possible tournament in preseason. Dubois is a good program though, I'm sure you were a damn good wrestler, so hats off. You took the argumentative tone here, not me.
I'm speaking of the size of the schools, the actual enrollment. For football under the old system, Dubois was 4A and West Branch was 1A. Curwensville was 1A also.
If you need the actual numbers as of this year, the link is there from another thread provided from another poster. I am aware that there are only two classifications. One school is close to 4 times the size of the other. You keep on picking away though, it's enjoyable.
In fact, close to 40 years ago, schools did in fact wrestle other schools far bigger. At one time Philipsburg wrestled State College, as West Branch at one time LONG ago, did wrestle Dubois, and Lock Haven(now Central Mountain). I am also aware that it was not until 1974 that the "A" and "B" classifications were created, before that all schools wrestled in the same classification regardless of size. Then a few years later, the "A" and "AA" were created. Also, until the early 70's there was no consolation brackets at all, and at one time, only four wrestlers per weight class would make it to the States.
You were saying?
You were saying?
I did not say that it was. I was referring to the SIZE of the schools in comparison, and I used the football classification as a model.
As enjoyable as a kid from Hanover getting his ass kicked because of how it made some teenagers feel, because of the high school their parents elected to enroll them in?
1984 undefeated PO wrestled undefeated State College. Line at 4PM to get into gym ran from the PO gym down past the auditorium entrance.
PO was still wrestling State College, Dubois and whoever else when Cas was still coaching. Wrestling the pathetic schedule the Mounties currently wrestle isrelatively new.
West Branch used to wrestle Clearfield (towards the end of their hey day), PO, Dubois, State College and for the first decade or so of two wrestling classes West Branch as football 1A school wrestled very competitively in the A or AAA post season tournaments.
I got that from the following posts. My post was in response to the first couple posts on the subject between you and el-jefe
I don't know Sir. What were the other options, other than Hanover? Was there a catholic school, or was there a choice? I'm not clear what you mean here? I can tell you first hand of the kids that kicked MY ass in high school and junior high, some of those names can be attached to those old pictures that featured the old podiums with that chocolate bar and that GIANT bracket.
And they kicked my ass on the mat a lot worse than some of my "fan club" piles on me on this site(you know who you are, Lajolla, stink-stank-stunk, bobpsu, artsandletters, and MANY more haha)
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