VJ seeded third at Big 10s?

[GogglesPaizano]

Crazy?

Nomad makes a case for it today on Flo, and oddly enough I have been a long time proponent of this same approach.

For me it started with Snyder traveling the world during the season and only competing in a handful of duals only to march into the tourneys ranked #1. Sure he was considered the #1 wrestler in the world, but when you miss out on facing the competition it isn't fair to the fans or the opponents to be boxed out by 'reputation'.

Likewise was there much doubt Snyder wouldn't plow through the competing at a lower seed? No but at least his path harder, and the path for those that earned it, easier.

I felt the same re Jason Nolf last year when he got hurt. Why not have those matches he missed count against him for seeding purposes.

In short I think once a wrestler is classified a starter, any missed matches against top 8 ranked guys, (for any reason - sicknesss injury, missed weight, bad skin test, missed the bus) should go down as a loss 'only' for seeding purposes, but not on their official record of course.

The secondary huge benefit, it would eliminate the 10-20% but rising occurence of "ducking" to protect the seed that seems to be permiating the sport lately.

What say you?

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Ah just saw the other post. I thought Penalize the ducks had something to do with the Oregon program :-/

 

[aalion]

Likewise was there much doubt Snyder wouldn't plow through the competing at a lower seed? No but at least his path harder, and the path for those that earned it, easier.

The path that "earned it" isn't easier if they have to face an unseeded or 9th seeded Snyder in any early round. Can you imagine "earning" an 8 seed and have your "reward" be Snyder in the Round of 16?

Or a worse case scenario - an unseeded Snyder takes down 2 high seeds in Rds 1 and 2. And those guys end up slugging it out in the blood round to AA all because we wanted to "penalize" Snyder, when everyone knew he was the likely winner.

I think there has to be judgment. "Penalizing" Snyder only really penalizes other guys because it is obvious how good he is. "Penalizing" Stoll might be a different story because it is hard to tell how good he is. "Penalizing" Cenzo is in the middle somewhere, especially considering how tough 165 at BIGs is. Hard to know if it is "easier" to face Wick or Massa in the Semis.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Understood but once it becomes 'subjective' the whole house of cards comes falling down.

I have no issue with someone, even a higher ranked guy hitting Snyder early and be bounced into wrestlebacks. They're going there anyway maybe a round or two later.

It is a 'tournament' with the intent of rewarding excellence, and not a welfare program.

Using the Snyder example, if he 'ducked' several top 8 guys seasons long, he probably wouldn't fall out of the top 5 so your scenario is unrealistic.

 

[LDandy]

VJ is the two time defending national champion at 165. He's undefeated and ranked #1 in the country. He's missed one match of significance while being legit sick. Bull and Wick are really good, but to rank them ahead of VJ delegitimizes all rankings across the board IMO.

 

[dunkej01]

Its almost like I seen this before. D@mn that Nomad guy with his PPC schemes.

 

[Lyons212]

If you are the #1, you most likely get the Massa/White winner in the semi's, no picnic there either.

 

[nerfstate]

once it becomes 'subjective' the whole house of cards comes falling down.

Last time I checked, seeds are done by a committee, not a computer. So historically, subjectivity has always been a factor.

 

[El-Jefe]

Click bait.

Cenzo getting the 3 at B10s aspires to be fake news.

 

[smalls103]

not true. there is a very logical case for Cenzo to be #3.

same as last year when i bitched and moaned that IMar should be #2 or #3.

 

[aalion]

Fwiw, Cenzo just tweeted back “appreciate the journalism but who really cares?”

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[diggerpup]

not true. there is a very logical case for Cenzo to be #3.

same as last year when i bitched and moaned that IMar should be #2 or #3.

Maybe wanna check the expiration date on your Copenhagen can.

 

[4INSBU]

What are the chances Bull ducks Wick? I say it's high.

 

[dunkej01]

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I love me some Cenzo. Especially as the Punisher.

 

[dunkej01]

What are the chances Bull ducks Wick? I say it's high.

0.0

 

[BullPit]

Bull won't duck Wick. A undefeated 2x national champ not seeded 1st is nonsense. VJ is #1 seed until defeated. All this penalize people for missing matches, I think is ridiculous. Yeah there is some ducking, but sickness and injuries do happen. It all comes down to who performs in March.

 

[dadsmithwest]

The returning undefeated national champ should always be the #1 seed. What are they going to do punish a guy for having a cold?

 

[Still in State College]

What are the chances Bull ducks Wick? I say it's high.

I don't think so. In my opinion Marinelli is really wrestling at a very high level this year. I would put him and VJ as a pick'em right now. It would really surprise me if it is not them in the finals of B10 and NCAA.

 

[The Japanese Whizzer]

Click bait.

Cenzo getting the 3 at B10s aspires to be fake news.

I just took the bait and click on it. Now i know how a bluegill feels after the third time he is caught.

 

[Antaeus]

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His more methodical approach to winning probably means that, outside this Board, he’ll never get the respect he deserves until he’s a 4 time champ.

IMO his response suggests through his awareness that he’s already using that post to raise his level of focus for pursuing the third of his quest for 4 titles.

Not that he needs it, but many thanks for poking the bear again, to all who continue to fail to appreciate what they are seeing with their own eyes.

 

[nerfstate]

Fwiw, Cenzo just tweeted back “appreciate the journalism but who really cares?”

FWIW, 'Cenzo' deleted his twitter account. (I bet it was Cael, lol).

 

[Dogwelder]

FWIW, 'Cenzo' deleted his twitter account. (I bet it was Cael, lol) ...

We know what going off social media means...
... Cenzo’s gonna take five heads! Woo Hoo!

 

[Dogwelder]

We know what going off social media means...
... Cenzo’s gonna take five heads! Woo Hoo!

Spyker says Cenzo’s gonna HIT THE HEADS HARD!!!

 

[WiscoWrastler]

I would put Marinelli as the 1 if he beats Wick but have Cenzo as the 2. Marinelli would have better wins than Cenzo and then Cenzo and Wick would actually wrestle.

 

[LemonPie]

I really don't think nomad is wrong.

 

[jschrantz]

FWIW, 'Cenzo' deleted his twitter account. (I bet it was Cael, lol).

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Christian “Twitter Fingers” Pyles stalking kids still I see, Christian isn’t 40, not a man.

 

[nerfstate]

I follow wrestlers on twitter--it's their own public media channel, not really stalking, IMO. Maybe at the HS level, but at least our guys know what's up w/ theirs. I'll miss Cenzo's periodic humor on twitter. He's hilarious.

I think Nomad's ideas aren't bad--but doubt it will impact those who actually do the seeding much.

 

[jschrantz]

I follow wrestlers on twitter--it's their own public media channel, not really stalking, IMO. Maybe at the HS level, but at least our guys know what's up w/ theirs. I'll miss Cenzo's periodic humor on twitter. He's hilarious.

I think Nomad's ideas aren't bad--but doubt it will impact those who actually do the seeding much.

Yea, but are you writing them messages like a fan boy or simply following their happenings?maybe I’m just not a fan of certain “journalists”

 

[nerfstate]

Yea, but are you writing them messages like a fan boy or following their happenings?

I might "like" a tweet here and there, but no, I'm not messaging them. I guess CP sees it as an easy vehicle for information. Kids these days rarely check their email, much less answer the phone ;-). The different social networks seem to play different roles for kids. It'd be creepy if CP was doing snapchat w/ them, for sure. Facebook too, probably. But twitter and to a lesser degree instagram is pretty fair game, generationally speaking.

 

[jschrantz]

I might "like" a tweet here and there, but no, I'm not messaging them. I guess CP sees it as an easy vehicle for information. Kids these days rarely check their email, much less answer the phone ;-). The different social networks seem to play different roles for kids. It'd be creepy if CP was doing snapchat w/ them, for sure. Facebook too, probably. But twitter and to a lesser degree instagram is pretty fair game, generationally speaking.

That’s fair nerf, just don’t like click bait Flo, but I dont think it’s his job to put Cenzo out there like that, I don’t like taking a pic like that though n putting it on blast, if he deleted the account let the kid alone

 

[Dogwelder]

... I'll miss Cenzo's periodic humor on twitter. He's hilarious. ...

Hey, menstruation jokes are not funny, period.

 

[nerfstate]

Hey, menstruation jokes are not funny, period.

Reminds me of the time I met the woman who would become my mother in-law. I shared my notion that the eggs we were eating was chicken menstruation. Went about how you’d expect.... In hindsight I’m amazed I was ever allowed to marry her daughter, lol.

 

[Dogwelder]

Reminds me of the time I met the woman who would become my mother in-law. I shared my notion that the eggs we were eating was chicken menstruation. Went about how you’d expect.... In hindsight I’m amazed I was ever allowed to marry her daughter, lol.

Good analogy. Are you, by chance, an engineer?

 

[dunkej01]

I really don't think nomad is wrong.

He isnt but if this is what they are doing it should be told to the coaches BEFORE the season. Then things play out the way they do.

You cant make up the rules in the middle or at the end of the season.

 

[nerfstate]

Good analogy. Are you, by chance, an engineer?

Good guess. Liberal arts educated IT admin, which is in fact pretty close, I think.

 

[SWPA]

The returning undefeated national champ should always be the #1 seed. What are they going to do punish a guy for having a cold?

This guy says hi.

 

[MDAlum]

Well now ... anyone that in any way equates the term "liberal arts" with "engineering" in any way is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

 

[nerfstate]

Well now ... anyone that in any way equates the term "liberal arts" with "engineering" in any way is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

I knew I'd catch fish w/ that one,

 

[diggerpup]

This guy says hi.

Which is why no one wants to wrestle in the early November all-star match any longer.

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FLO click bait on 65 seeds??

I guess with PSU smoking tOSU so thoroughly, clicks were down this week. Gotta stir the pot to please the advertisers.