VJ seeded third at Big 10s?
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Chance was up 4-1 after 1, took down, and got pinned with a far side cradle 19 sec later. Wick uses that move a lot.
Last year Zain gave up the first 2 takedowns to Hayes. Most people wouldn't say he was lucky the rest of that match.
Pretty obvious that Flo is trolling PSU fans. The length of thread is evidence of that.
so if I understand this correctly....
the click thing = old and intellectual garbage
arguing against an undefeated 2x NC who missed a single match due illness for the 2nd straight year = hot take and mind blown
I can live with that....until next year ......I guess
interweb rules are fluid. I can live with it. Never know when I might lose an internet exchange and need to bring things back my may.
the click thing = old and intellectual garbage
arguing against an undefeated 2x NC who missed a single match due illness for the 2nd straight year = hot take and mind blown
I can live with that....until next year ......I guess
interweb rules are fluid. I can live with it. Never know when I might lose an internet exchange and need to bring things back my may.
I contend that winning two titles in a row rises above the “past years results” criteria. Regardless, there is no way in hell Cenzo won’t be seeded first if he doesn’t lose.
Take it easy on Willie, at least he isn’t d-bag Pyles that went out of his way to screenshot a pic n blast that to the world that Cenzo deleted his social media account, that’s a soft a** move from a grown man
you might contend that. and i've admitted here that that will probably be the case.
doesn't mean 1) there isn't a reasonable alternative 2) seeding criteria doesn't need to be revisited 3) y'all got triggered to HR proportions
Sounds like Pyles violated an unwritten rule! In his defense, that rule must not be one of the well-known ones. Henceforth, let it be known that even though we have a whole thread for talking about Twitter, Pyles is not allowed to talk about Twitter.
Fight short? Wtf? Is that anything like "stopping short"? If so, then no....it never works for me.
I dont know, I'm just trying to figure out how you and Nomad could justify a 2 loss Wick ( if he loses again to Marinelli) being seeded 2 and Cenzo 3.
Your not wrong. I agree there should be a penalty for "ducking" or not competing. ive said as much here.
I dont agree completing a season and then saying "oh wait, now we are changing the rules" take that you guys are making. Your doing it now to editorially create a controversy, gin up some discussion all of which is fine. your not journalists, your guys blogging. I get it.
but if your argument is to be taken seriously not just as a blog its just late to the game and should be acknowledged as such. it should be made in the off season when changes can be made.
Say a few coaches lock on your argument and start applying it BUT not across the board ..... that penalizes some and not others. unfairly. plus if it only happens in the Big but not say the Pac how is that fair come NCAA seedings....and what happens if it then goes down at the NCAA seeding meeting again...the horror
your rebuttal could be...well we dont expect any coach to listen to us ....we were just writing our thoughts out.....
which is ok too if you want to go down that path.
Guessing that's Foley's constant harangues against singlets. Too much top stalling? Singlets to blame!
To play devil's advocate, let's rank 133 according to best conference wins (and assuming Micic beats Suriano this weekend):
1 Micic (Pletcher, Suriano)
2 RBY (Pletcher)
3 DeSanto (Suriano, Lizak)
4 Pletcher (Lizak 2x)
5a Suriano (Thornton)
5b Lizak (Thornton)
But you also have to include missed matches as losses.
So, DeSanto's "losses" to Duncan (Illinois) and Anderson (Maryland) are really going to hurt his seed.
HR proportions? Please.
People are disagreeing with you.
People are not claiming this is an example of a systematic, company wide bias against all things Penn State wrestling.
Isn't that how Cenzo gets seeded 3? Because his missed match against Wick is considered a loss for seeding purposes?
More that it’s a zero. They’re advocating that seeding is based mostly on who you beat and who you lost to. Cenzo gets the 3 if Wick beats Marinelli because they would each have a win over each other while Cenzo’s best win would be White or Massa.
Willie/Nomad: I don’t mind the logic, worth discussing. I guess we got triggered because Cenzo doesn’t get much respect among certain fans, and we feel he deserves more. I for one don’t think you're taking a shot at him, but a controversial PSU topic has got to help engagement with Flo, which turns into subscriptions, no?
Sounds like Pyles violated an unwritten rule! In his defense, that rule must not be one of the well-known ones. Henceforth, let it be known that even though we have a whole thread for talking about Twitter, Pyles is not allowed to talk about Twitter.
Thought it seemed like piling on, creating a topic. I prefer twittter used differently . Tweet...Tweet
I shouldn't have said "lucky", it wasn't luck. I did feel Chance was in control of the bout and he looked like the better wrestler (unlike Hayes who was still losing after 1 despite the 2 TDs). Chance nearly had a 3rd TD in the 1st while Wick showed little to nothing.
This is an underrated comment. Pyles likes to take runs at "misinformed" fans, then wishes the sport would grow. Newsflash Buffalo Gap, the more you add fans, the dumber the average of the group will get in any sport. Typical Shenandoah Valley HillJack.
What a crock o crap
You really expect us to believe that your advertisers dont care how many clicks you get?!?
Get outta here, go post your BS on twitter.
One minute, everyone wants something done about ducking. The next minute, someone suggests a solution and everyone condemns it.
I'm not suggesting Cenzo ducked Wick, it would be out of character; if one of Cael's guys don't go I'm certain it's because they legitimately can't go.
But in order to maintain consistency and give teeth to a disincentive for ducking and strengthen duals, it should be the case that in seeding two wrestlers who can otherwise lay claim to the same seed, with respect to the wrestler who sat out when those wrestlers could have met during a dual that same season, said wrestler should 'lose' that seed to the wrestler who was prepared to wrestle.
But Cenzo was sick!/injured The problem there is the impossibility of distinguishing an sick/injured wrestler from a ducking wrestler. It's a standard that would be easy to game, and coaches are already less than forthcoming with injury info. So count all those missed opportunities as 'losses' for the limited purpose of seeding criteria in tie-breaking contexts.
It can still get messy. (If Marinelli beats Wick does Wick still get the 'tie-breaker' against Cenzo?--I say no but it's a closer question than some would have it.) But if you want duals to count for something and for more big matches to go off, you should support the notion that where a wrestler doesn't go against top competition it should adversely impact their seed in tie-breaking scenarios.
I'm not suggesting Cenzo ducked Wick, it would be out of character; if one of Cael's guys don't go I'm certain it's because they legitimately can't go.
But in order to maintain consistency and give teeth to a disincentive for ducking and strengthen duals, it should be the case that in seeding two wrestlers who can otherwise lay claim to the same seed, with respect to the wrestler who sat out when those wrestlers could have met during a dual that same season, said wrestler should 'lose' that seed to the wrestler who was prepared to wrestle.
But Cenzo was sick!/injured The problem there is the impossibility of distinguishing an sick/injured wrestler from a ducking wrestler. It's a standard that would be easy to game, and coaches are already less than forthcoming with injury info. So count all those missed opportunities as 'losses' for the limited purpose of seeding criteria in tie-breaking contexts.
It can still get messy. (If Marinelli beats Wick does Wick still get the 'tie-breaker' against Cenzo?--I say no but it's a closer question than some would have it.) But if you want duals to count for something and for more big matches to go off, you should support the notion that where a wrestler doesn't go against top competition it should adversely impact their seed in tie-breaking scenarios.
The argument is like saying that if Cenzo wrestled for a Drexel, was a defending 2x national champion, came into the season at #1, was undefeated, and currently still #1, but because of his schools schedule, never gets the opportunity to wrestle the top 3 guys, he’d be penalized at his conference tournament and given the 3 seed? Bruh, you’re absolutely cray. I completely understand the theory... but that theory isn’t just flawed, it doesn’t even make sense.
Also... you all are penalizing PSU for their overwhelming success. When you have 7 wrestlers in the top 3, it’s hard to keep them ALL healthy. Someone is going to get sick (Cenzo), or injured (Shak). It’s inevetiable. It’s pretty easy to cherry pick the situation. When you have 1 or 2 guys in the top 3, it’s a lot less likely they’ll miss because of legit reasons. So you’re going to reward two guys for not getting sick and having to sit? Yeah, makes perfect sense.
If the ACC #4 gets sick and doesn’t wrestle #5, he should drop to the 6 seed for the conference tournament? That’s right, it’s a silly analogy, because we all know you wouldn’t waste your time with a scenario like that. It’s just numbers.
Sincerely,
PSU Homer
Does Flo even serve ads on their site? With my litany of ad blockers, I often don’t know. I know they have ads on their live streams. That said, I doubt ads and clicks are as important as engagement—getting people to follow CP, Nomad and Willie on social media, get them to comment on stuff, feel like they are developing a relationship, and eventually $150/year starts sounding more worth it, and maybe for their friends too.
That all said, the headline of this article surely encourages engagement: be it the schadenfreude of the PSU hateful, or the ire of the growing and the largest fanbase in the country. It doesn’t really bother me, it has certainly inspired a passionate conversation around big 10 seeding, when an article titled “Nomads look at big 10 seeding” would probably fall flat.
That all said, the headline of this article surely encourages engagement: be it the schadenfreude of the PSU hateful, or the ire of the growing and the largest fanbase in the country. It doesn’t really bother me, it has certainly inspired a passionate conversation around big 10 seeding, when an article titled “Nomads look at big 10 seeding” would probably fall flat.
Iowa could have met Penn State. Case closed.
you guys still haven’t apologized for the ridiculous screenshot of Hayes seemingly “pinning” Zain when they were 3 feet out of bounds and Zain was relaxing after hammering Hayes for about a minute. It was coupled with a suggestive question about the call. That was click bait of the highest order.
Flo still does it all the time. I take it with a grain of salt usually, but let’s be serious.
IMHO, Seed him number 1 or number 14, it will make no difference. I've seen enough Cenzo to be very confident he will be the 2019 165 pound Big Ten Champion.
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