Weekly Review of Rankings

[Tom McAndrew]

Now that the season has started, it's time to start the weekly review of rankings. I'm treating this as week 1, though some of these services did have preseason rankings, or had rankings last week.

InterMat
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 15th
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 2nd
184: Nickal - 1st
197: Cutch - 4th
285: Nevills - 3rd
Tournament - 1st
Dual Meet - 1st

FloWrestling
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 20th
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 2nd
184: Nickal - 1st
197: Cutch - 4th
285: Nevills - 3rd
P4P
Zain - 2nd
Nolf - 3rd
Nickal - 4th
Joseph - 9th
Hall - 10th
Team - 1st

The Open Mat
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 12th
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 1st
184: Nickal - 1st
197: Cutch - 4th
285: Nevills - 4th
Tournament - 1st
Dual - 1st

Amateur Wrestling News
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 13th
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 2nd
184: Nickal - 1st
197: No PSUer
285: Nevills - 4th

WIN Magazine
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 15th
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 2nd
184: Nickal - 1st
197: Cutch - 7th
285: Nevills - 4th
Team - 1st

USA Today/NWCA Division I Coaches Poll
PSU - 1st

TrackWrestling
125: No PSUer
133: Keener - 14
141: No PSUer
149: Zain - 1st
157: Nolf - 1st
165: Joseph - 1st
174: Hall - 3rd
184: Nickal - 1st
197: Cassar - 18th
285: Nevills - 3rd
Team - 2nd

Associated Wrestling Press -- not yet posted

Wrestle Stat
125: Yanovich - 83rd, Schnupp - 120th, Higgins - 140th, Clabaugh - 160th, Stossel - 235th, Lopez - 239th
133: Keener - 23rd, Lindenmuth - 80th, Carpenter - 172nd
141: Cortez - 6th, N. Lee - 50th, Giannangeli - 162nd, Obendorfer - 197th
149: Zain - 1st, Pipher - 39th, Verkleeren - 121st, Gardner - 157th, Blumer - 173rd, McClanahan - 258th
157: Nolf - 1st, Berge - 64th, Friery - 158th, Tuohey - 264th
165: Joseph - 3rd, Manville - 173rd
174: Hall - 3rd, Bisono - 108th
184: Nickal - 1st, Van Cura - 87th
197: Cutch - 2nd, Rasheed - 8th, Cassar - 74th, Hoeg - 186th
285: Nevills - 6th, Johnson - 148th, Wissler - 184th, Nicholas - 197th
Tourney - 1st
Dual - 2nd

Average - I can't generate until all the rankings are posted



InterMat's 11/14 Rankings

FloWrestling's 11/13 Rankings

The Open Mat's 11/13 Rankings

The Open Mat's 11/15 Team Rankings

Amateur Wrestling News' 11/14 Rankings

WIN Magazine's 11/13 Rankings

USA Today/NWCA Division I Coaches Poll

TrackWrestling's 11/13 Rankings

WrestleStat's 11/14 Rankings

 

[slushhead]

No one using a human-opinion model is willing to call Cortez a Top-20 guy?
Wow.

 

[jack66]

No one using a human-opinion model is willing to call Cortez a Top-20 guy?
Wow.

I don't get it either.

Ke-Shawn Hayes is up from 141 where he had limited results before a season ending injury (5-1) ... 29-1 his RS year ... yet he's ranked top-10 by nearly every service.

Cortez is up from 133 where had limited results before a season ending injury (6-2) ... 12-0 his RS year ... yet he's ranked by nobody.

What am I missing?

 

[RoarLions1]

I don't get it either.

Ke-Shawn Hayes is up from 141 where had limited results before a season ending injury (5-1) ... 29-1 his RS year ... yet he's ranked top-10 by nearly every service.

Cortez is up from 133 where had limited results before a season ending injury (6-2) ... 12-0 his RS year ... yet he's ranked by nobody.

What am I missing?

I don't think you're missing anything, other than the lack of importance of rankings in the grand scheme of things ...and in my heart of hearts, I'm pretty sure you understand that too.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

FYI, the WrestlingByPirate Dual Impact Index will debut on December 4th, if you all are wondering.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

FYI, the WrestlingByPirate Dual Impact Index will debut on December 4th, if you all are wondering.

I figured you'd let us know when you expect them to debut, and of course I am interested.

 

[T J]

Noticing this line:

165: Joseph - 3rd, Manville - 173rd​

What's the status of Manville?
Expected him to be a nationally competitive wrestler. Is 173rd just a statistical fluke that gets corrected when he wrestles in open tournaments?

 

[RoarLions1]

Noticing this line:

165: Joseph - 3rd, Manville - 173rd​

What's the status of Manville?
Expected him to be a nationally competitive wrestler. Is 173rd just a statistical fluke that gets corrected when he wrestles in open tournaments?

Not enough data. Conventional wisdom, knowing the tool (ELO) a little, is 15 bouts are needed to get a guy in the ballpark. I like to see 30 bouts or so, but that's the statistician in me. Manville has 5.

Even at that, he's gotta win the bouts he should. Losing vs #65 doesn't help, except as a learning experience..

 

[Tom McAndrew]

What's the status of Manville?
Expected him to be a nationally competitive wrestler. Is 173rd just a statistical fluke that gets corrected when he wrestles in open tournaments?

To add to Roar's info, see the Bearcat thread, as Manville competed in that. He did very well in some matches, and not so well in two others, and the reactions/posts in that thread from those watching the action gives some context.

 

[TexasLion1979]

Our highest ranked wrestler at 125 hasn't wrestled in two years. A long way to go at that weight. Come on kids.