Ok, 1 national title and 2 runner-up finishes. What coach had better results?
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It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. DT will be around a lot longer than Brands who's on the backside of his career.
I need a scorecard.
Why are you arguing with national titles as a metric for Brands being as good as anyone but also saying of course he has achievements he’s been coaching really long.
Do they?
If they do, why you ok with DT?
If they don’t, why you using results to make a point?
The statement that started this was "Brands can't coach". He has the 2nd best results of any other coach during his coaching career.
That's the floor for Iowa. Nearly any current division 1 coach could walk in and get the same results.
I think Mike Grey has done a better job of getting guys to the top of the podium.
If age/expected longevity were no factor: Koll, Ryan.
If looking younger with experience: Pop, Robie, Erisman, Ayres.
If a Hawk fan: Spencer or bust.
BTW, the "who replaces Brands" discussion is a few years away but gets very real soon.
Brands is under contract thru 2029, and will be 61. It's hard to see a wrestling coach going much longer.
Ryan is under contract thru 2027, and will be 57. He'll get an extension if he wants it, but probably not another beyond that for the same reason.
Iowa would be idiotic to let the by far #1 revenue school in the country hire its next head coach first. Ohio State might not hire Iowa's first choice but why risk it?
Brands is under contract thru 2029, and will be 61. It's hard to see a wrestling coach going much longer.
Ryan is under contract thru 2027, and will be 57. He'll get an extension if he wants it, but probably not another beyond that for the same reason.
Iowa would be idiotic to let the by far #1 revenue school in the country hire its next head coach first. Ohio State might not hire Iowa's first choice but why risk it?
So you would rather have a coach get more individual champs than compete for team titles?
That means as far as resources it's Penn St, Iowa, a huge gap, then everyone else?
I would rather have the better coach. I think Mike Grey could do what Brands has in Iowa City. I don’t think Brands could do what Grey has done in Ithaca. Or Koll.
Well, that shouldn't have been too hard with his knee.
Iowa deserves much better and Stockholm syndrome is real. When the house is finally cleaned, people are going to look back on this era and finally ask wtf was going on.
People are going to eventually realize that this era was Iowa wrestling's version of Alabama football post-Bear.
False choice. That's the best path to team titles.
I'm not sure Tara is interested in the position, but she might be willing to show off her Olympic gold medal and instruct the wrestlers on proper weightlifting form. You might want to keep the three inch binder locked away from her until you are sure she isn't just a PSU agent.
And if Iowa truly believes 1 > 4, then have fun with that once every 15 years.
At this point anybody outside Penn St might be happy with 1 title every 15 years.
Except for DT. Like many on here, I think DT is the bigger threat to Penn State than TnT even if Bob doubles rents.
Schwab has done pretty well.
Someone mentioned him above, but I think Erisman is the right answer. What he's been able to do at Little Rock in the short amount of time he's done it in is nothing short of amazing. If he had the resources Iowa does, the sky would be the limit.
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The part many seem to gloss over is the other coaches do not have what Iowa does.
Fan base, resource's, scholarships, etc… now plug a good coach into that and what could they do?
These smaller program coaches doing great things with far less than Iowa has.
Now the question is who could have won as many titles and developed more national champions with those resources.
Fan base, resource's, scholarships, etc… now plug a good coach into that and what could they do?
These smaller program coaches doing great things with far less than Iowa has.
Now the question is who could have won as many titles and developed more national champions with those resources.
I still can’t believe Iowa Wrestling has settled for 1 title in 14 years. Not that they should win as much as Penn State has but they should win more than that.
The real embarrassment had to be finishing behind Iowa State at nationals last year.
The watered down year? Isn't there an asterisk next to that year?
Actually that 1 was freakish. Penn State had 4 champs and the tournament was a diluted version of it's normal rugged self allowing Iowa to gain about 30 points more than they could have expected in normal years. In reality without using asterisks to mark the truly outlier aspect of the occurrence the accomplishment is quite suspect.
It's a shame we didn't get to see Arujau, Foca, Dean, and Darmstadt at the 2021 tournament. Maybe Iowa wins, maybe not. But it would've been a different tournament and for the better.
The discussion could be who could do more with iowas resources.
Who has done more with less seems to be the discussion and the answer is not many if any.
Who has done less with more?
None.
When did you give MSU158 access to your username/password?
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