What’s to stop Larry Ellison from giving Michigan $1 Billion+ in Nil and ruining College Football?

[m.knox]

And that's absolutely nothing compared to what they bring in.
These aren't your average 17-22 year olds
They already have a marketable skill

Oh Loado, you are so myopic. "They" clearly don't bring in enough to fund the entire Athletics Department.

PSU athletics basically broke even in FY2023, and now has rising costs due to travel to the West Coast due to the new B10. NIL collectives require an additional source of funding. In economics, this is called an "alternative." So now big donors are faced with either giving their hard earned money to an NIL collective, or sponsoring a new stadium for men's hockey.

At this point, it is a net negative to the whole of college sports.

 

[LandoComando]

Oh Loado, you are so myopic. "They" clearly don't bring in enough to fund the entire Athletics Department.

PSU athletics basically broke even in FY2023, and now has rising costs due to travel to the West Coast due to the new B10. NIL collectives require an additional source of funding. In economics, this is called an "alternative." So now big donors are faced with either giving their hard earned money to an NIL collective, or sponsoring a new stadium for men's hockey.

At this point, it is a net negative to the whole of college sports.

Did football break even or were they profitable?
Football players aren't required to support others.

 

[m.knox]

Did football break even or were they profitable?
Football players aren't required to support others.

Myopic. Just like I said. Congratulations for agreeing with me.

 

[LandoComando]

Myopic. Just like I said. Congratulations for agreeing with me.

Once again you don't have an argument. You want football programe to exist to fund all other sports. That's why we are where we are. They were being used. A scholarship wasn't close to bring fair compensation but keep using words you don't comprehend

 

[m.knox]

Once again you don't have an argument. You want football programe to exist to fund all other sports. That's why we are where we are. They were being used. A scholarship wasn't close to bring fair compensation but keep using words you don't comprehend

The football program does fund all other programs. More resources dedicated to football mean less resources dedicated for others. Again, you are proving my argument, but too dumb to realize it.

You can clammer all you like about "fair compensation," but a degree is the ticket to the future for 95% of college athletes who are not going to advance to the professional level.

Your solution? Cater to the 5%. I find it hard to believe you went to Northwestern. Generally, people who attend there are intelligent.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Assuming they have the wealthiest alumni, the Ivy league could become the powerhouse of college football.

Either Penn or Harvard could buy and sell Michigan like a Patpong whore if it came down to a battle of the billionaires. Michigan thinks it’s the Harvard of the West, but there are levels to rich alumni bases

 

[RadnorJohn]

And that's absolutely nothing compared to what they bring in.
These aren't your average 17-22 year olds
They already have a marketable skill

Just curious, what do you bring in compared to what your company makes? $200K, $300K, $1M vs $30 billion? Right, nothing. There are haves and have nots and 99.9% are the have nots.

 

[PSUSignore]

Yes but a salary cap in the NFL doesn't limit NIL rights for players

And in the NFL NIL doesn't masquerade as pay for play or pay for recruitment like in does in the NCAA. I don't think anyone has an issue with players using their fame to get endorsement deals. But that's not how the vast majority of NIL is being done today.

 

[PSUSignore]

I’ve heard (heard, stressed word of mouth heard) that Penn State’s biggest candidates (as donors) that can put together something similar to this have told the collective that they’ll be happy to give this kind of money. The condition is they want the Paterno statue back up.

Well then they might as well make alternate plans because that isn't ever going to happen, at least not in a public place. I could maybe see it becoming part of the sports museum or something, that's it.

 

[LandoComando]

Just curious, what do you bring in compared to what your company makes? $200K, $300K, $1M vs $30 billion? Right, nothing. There are haves and have nots and 99.9% are the have nots.

And we all can leave jobs and chase more money like the players can now do.

 

[LandoComando]

And in the NFL NIL doesn't masquerade as pay for play or pay for recruitment like in does in the NCAA. I don't think anyone has an issue with players using their fame to get endorsement deals. But that's not how the vast majority of NIL is being done today.

This is fair...the pay for play is the issue
We disagree though...I think many wouldn't be happy if college players got money for their NIL being used. They don't want guys paid at all because they believe that makes it a pro sport.

 

[jabba2]

Well then they might as well make alternate plans because that isn't ever going to happen, at least not in a public place. I could maybe see it becoming part of the sports museum or something, that's it.

Really? At this point in time I dont see the statue being very divisive to the public or harmful to the university. For NIL's sake, I think it should go up.

 

[LandoComando]

Really? At this point in time I dont see the statue being very divisive to the public or harmful to the university. For NIL's sake, I think it should go up.

The statue going up will be a national headline that Penn State cares more about Joe's legacy than the victims. It can never go up.

 

[jabba2]

The statue going up will be a national headline that Penn State cares more about Joe's legacy than the victims. It can never go up.

PSU paid out the victims a large amount. They cared plenty for them. I dont think it'd hurt if it went back up. Who cares what people outside the state think anyway.

 

[PurposePitch]

As soon as they started paying college players, "College Football", was ruined. Soon it will break away from the NCAA. I think that's why many fought for years not to pay the players ....... it's over.

Yeah, college football was perfect when we had virtual slave labor (eff them kids, amirite?) entertaining us while old out of shape guys got rich off their toils.

Or maybe college football was ruined when they forced the kids to spend more time practicing a game than most people dedicate toward their 9 to 5 jobs while everyone looked for ways to profit off the kids as the kids were left to collect their complimentary "How to Manage a Bowling Alley" degrees.

 

[PurposePitch]

I’ve heard (heard, stressed word of mouth heard) that Penn State’s biggest candidates (as donors) that can put together something similar to this have told the collective that they’ll be happy to give this kind of money. The condition is they want the Paterno statue back up.

I have a compromise with those folks. They can commission their very own JoePa statues, and they can do whatever they (legally) want with those statues, including shoving them up their own butts.

 

[LandoComando]

PSU paid out the victims a large amount. They cared plenty for them. I dont think it'd hurt if it went back up. Who cares what people outside the state think anyway.

I get what you're saying but no one at Penn State is taking that PR hit. We'd get eaten alive for that decision. Paying someone off IMO isn't "caring" it's protecting yourself.

 

[indynittany]

I get what you're saying but no one at Penn State is taking that PR hit. We'd get eaten alive for that decision. Paying someone off IMO isn't "caring" it's protecting yourself.

For the record, I believe this NIL business is being handled poorly.

To your point though, if the carrot of enough money to buy the players we want gives PSU the courage to stand for the truth, rather than accept the narrative, I say go for it!

 

[LandoComando]

For the record, I believe this NIL business is being handled poorly.

To your point though, if the carrot of enough money to buy the players we want gives PSU the courage to stand for the truth, rather than accept the narrative, I say go for it!

I can go along with that. I don't think the statue going up changes anything with NIL but it does then put it up.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Oh Loado, you are so myopic. "They" clearly don't bring in enough to fund the entire Athletics Department.

PSU athletics basically broke even in FY2023, and now has rising costs due to travel to the West Coast due to the new B10. NIL collectives require an additional source of funding. In economics, this is called an "alternative." So now big donors are faced with either giving their hard earned money to an NIL collective, or sponsoring a new stadium for men's hockey.

At this point, it is a net negative to the whole of college sports.

No question about it. We need a collective bargaining agreement asap. With the amount of money the NCAA is bringing in with the new playoff system they gotta get this done. Whether it’s the NCAA as we know today or another entity.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Did football break even or were they profitable?
Football players aren't required to support others.

What are you talking about?

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

The football program does fund all other programs. More resources dedicated to football mean less resources dedicated for others. Again, you are proving my argument, but too dumb to realize it.

You can clammer all you like about "fair compensation," but a degree is the ticket to the future for 95% of college athletes who are not going to advance to the professional level.

Your solution? Cater to the 5%. I find it hard to believe you went to Northwestern. Generally, people who attend there are intelligent.

I’m still surprised that we haven’t cut any sports by now. It’s only a matter of time if there’s no collective bargaining agreement imo.

 

[LandoComando]

What are you talking about?

The argument being made was most schools athletic programs aren't profitable which is irrelevant when discussing football players being paid.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

The argument being made was most schools athletic programs aren't profitable which is irrelevant when discussing football players being paid.

How is it irrelevant? Donors now need to decide whether they donate to NIL or the program. Program funds will diminish. We always just about break even, hence why we will start having to cut PSU programs unless donors step up, or there’s a collective bargaining agreement.

 

[IANit]

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Do we have any billionaire alumni/fans besides Pegula? Michigan has 10. Ellison isn't one, but his alleged 5th wife allegedly went to UM. We need Elon to marry an alum then we'll be all set.

 

[LandoComando]

How is it irrelevant? Donors now need to decide whether they donate to NIL or the program. Program funds will diminish. We always just about break even, hence why we will start having to cut PSU programs unless donors step up, or there’s a collective bargaining agreement.

You realize they're being paid by the schools moving forward as part of the lawsuit settlement...yes? People are also mad about that.

People should donate to what they prefer. If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining. Things like the WNBA shouldn't exist if they're reliant on others for survival

 

[m.knox]

Do we have any billionaire alumni/fans besides Pegula? Michigan has 10. Ellison isn't one, but his alleged 5th wife allegedly went to UM. We need Elon to marry an alum then we'll be all set.

Pegula is worth 7 billion to Ellison's 250. Not all billionaires are created equal.

 

[m.knox]

You realize they're being paid by the schools moving forward as part of the lawsuit settlement...yes? People are also mad about that.

People should donate to what they prefer. If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining. Things like the WNBA shouldn't exist if they're reliant on others for survival

You may want to read up on Title IX.

 

[LandoComando]

You may want to read up on Title IX.

You may want to

 

[m.knox]

You may want to

I have. It's pretty clear you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[WaffleShopper]

Still not likely that anything happens but I maybe there's a slightly better chance with the new Congress.

LINK

 

[LandoComando]

I have. It's pretty clear you don't know what you are talking about.

If you don't comprehend countless programs are being cut constantly around the nation then you don't understand.

 

[m.knox]

If you don't comprehend countless programs are being cut constantly around the nation then you don't understand.

Yes, they are being cut.

Now pay attention. Your comment was as follows.

"If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining."

And that is clearly not true. The federal government mandates that "smaller sports" exist even if they are not self sustaining. Perhaps because of such regulation, revenue neutral or positive sports are being cut. That puts even more pressure on revenue earning sports to earn more. All while you are promoting players being paid.

Why are you so thick? Is that a course at Northwestern? Thickness 101? I know it isn't offered at PSU.

 

[LandoComando]

Yes, they are being cut.

Now pay attention. Your comment was as follows.

"If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining."

And that is clearly not true. The federal government mandates that "smaller sports" exist even if they are not self sustaining. Perhaps because of such regulation, revenue neutral or positive sports are being cut. That puts even more pressure on revenue earning sports to earn more. All while you are promoting players being paid.

Why are you so thick? Is that a course at Northwestern? Thickness 101? I know it isn't offered at PSU.

Correct--they will die. As you acknowledge is already happening. Title IX is very specific on what has to occur and that's not what you're claiming here.

 

[m.knox]

Correct--they will die. As you acknowledge is already happening. Title IX is very specific on what has to occur and that's not what you're claiming here.

That's exactly what I am claiming here. Pay attention Loado.

Jesus, are you REALLY a Northwestern grad?

 

[LandoComando]

That's exactly what I am claiming here. Pay attention Loado.

Jesus, are you REALLY a Northwestern grad?

And a Penn State grad
What do you think I'm claiming is going to be eliminated that violates Title IX?
Better yet--show me what I said would be...

 

[IANit]

It does do that too.

Not for much longer.

 

[m.knox]

And a Penn State grad
What do you think I'm claiming is going to be eliminated that violates Title IX?
Better yet--show me what I said would be...

Round and round and round she goes, where she stops nobody knows.

I'll say it again, because evidently you are dull.

"If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining."

Smaller sports are being dismissed not because they cannot stand alone, but instead to comply with government mandates.

You went to Northwestern and PSU. Now act like you did.

 

[LandoComando]

Round and round and round she goes, where she stops nobody knows.

I'll say it again, because evidently you are dull.

"If smaller sports die that's part of what happens in the world. They need to be self sustaining."

Smaller sports are being dismissed not because they cannot stand alone, but instead to comply with government mandates.

You went to Northwestern and PSU. Now act like you did.

Yes, read that and tell me what is against Title IX with that. I didn't small they'd all die.
You need to read up on House v. NCAA

 

[m.knox]

Yes, read that and tell me what is against Title IX with that. I didn't small they'd all die.
You need to read up on House v. NCAA

LOL... Are you really trying to weasel out of what you said? BWHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAH..

"I said that, but I really didn't mean that."

Good Lord, you are one sorry phuck.