What is the most logical path to the championship?

[Ranger Dan]

Current score
iowa at 109
PSU at 94.5
Iowa with 14.5 point lead

Spencer Lee is a lock, and let’s say AB handles his business... not counting potential bonus points, they cancel each other out. Also, Iowa has 4 in wrestlebacks compared to our 2. Let’s use our blue and white glasses and say that they cancel out.

id love to say that RBY, Nick, and Carter all win as well, but they all have tough matchups. RBY beating Fix would give us 16 points. Nick losing to Eireman and Carter losing to Kemever is an 8 point swing to Iowa.

I think we need RBY and at least on of Nick or Carter to win in order to pull out a championship. Am I missing something?

 

[jack66]

The time for logic has passed. It's now time for divine intervention.

Actually though, Nitlion6 breaks it down pretty well in the thread -2021 NCAAs Session 5 (Sat. Morn.) Thread

The reality is that the Hawks could clinch it this morning.

If we do go into the finals with a chance then IMO we will have already pulled a big upset.

 

[billrag]

I'm the most positive and biggest PSU wrestling fan alive, but it's over. PSU wrestled great for the most part and did what they could. It's over. Not unexpected and I still like the way PSU handled the championships better than the Iowa guys for the most part but it's over. I'll look for wins today from all of our wrestlers and will be pleased regardless of the outcome if they make a good effort.

 

[nitlion6]

Let's take 4 individual Champs, 6 AAs and acknowledge that with the single exception of Berge's injury we as PSU wrestling fans had one helluva good weekend of wrestling.

 

[ptomaselli]

Absent the math calculations, and assuming Lee & Brooks hold serve, common sense dictates that any path to victory starts with head to head victories over Hawkeyes by Nick Lee & Carter Starocci.

I'd also assume RBY winning is a must to help offset points from Spencer Lee.

 

[nerfstate]

For us to have a “realistic chance” Desanto would have to lose to the 9 seed McGee (very unlikely), Warner to 8 seed Buchanon (possible), and Cass to Hilger (hard to picture, short of injury). All in the consi semis this morning.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Let's take 4 individual Champs, 6 AAs and acknowledge that with the single exception of Berge's injury we as PSU wrestling fans had one helluva good weekend of wrestling.

And Robbie’s. Would like to see him RS next year to heal that shoulder

 

[SW Fla Lion]

Tonight is for the four young men who have worked hard - tonight is their night. As a team, Penn State fans can look forward to a bright future. After all, we were not favored with such a young team against a juggernaut. Enjoy tonight and celebrate a very good tournament and year. They have made us proud.

 

[nitlion6]

And Robbie’s. Would like to see him RS next year to heal that shoulder

We got a German Shepard pup a month ago, I had to take her out and missed Howard v MeGee. I know the result, and I read a mention of a possible injury but I haven't seen anything definitive. So I figured if I ignored the possibility of an injury it would not be real. 😉

 

[Chickenman Testa]

It’s over. No pressure on the guys to win for the team. They can win for themselves.

Man, watching Lee kick Rivera’s butt was satisfying. The Flo eye test failed. I’d love to see him throw the Riddler tonight and stick him.

 

[Callthestall]

It’s over. No pressure on the guys to win for the team. They can win for themselves.

Man, watching Lee kick Rivera’s butt was satisfying. The Flo eye test failed. I’d love to see him throw the Riddler tonight and stick him.

The Riddler is funky.
That pin he got last night was unbelievable.
That was Nolf at his best.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

The Riddler is funky.
That pin he got last night was unbelievable.
That was Nolf at his best.

He is. Hence, stay away from that bait leg and other traps

But Wilson wasn’t pinned when they called it - that was the anti-Warner

 

[Flying_Tiger]

If we are being realistic, we need Iowa's bus to break down on the way to the arena this morning because they are going to score too much for tonight to even matter.

 

[bigs22]

Most likely way for us to win is for a bad call to go against Spencer, he loses, and then Iowa melts down and loses about 10 team points in the mayhem.

With their matchups I don’t see how it will be feasible after this morning.

 

[PSUbluTX]

Most likely way for us to win is for a bad call to go against Spencer, he loses, and then Iowa melts down and loses about 10 team points in the mayhem.

And they all would have to pound the mat and violently throw their headgear upon losing each match for ~7 team point deductions.

 

[ccdiver]

If we win all six of our matches by decision, Iowa needs a total of 4.0 points out of Spencer, Kemerer, and their four conso wrestlers to win. The team title has been decided... let's win our six matches!

 

[dsites52]

This is a blistering hot take that you won’t get on HR so listen up. This is now about individual success for our boys, but make no mistake, the fact that the door was left open on Friday night will be disconcerting to a fan base that predicted a runaway domination.

 

[nerfstate]

For us to have a “realistic chance” Desanto would have to lose to the 9 seed McGee (very unlikely), Warner to 8 seed Buchanon (possible), and Cass to Hilger (hard to picture, short of injury). All in the consi semis this morning.

Sorry, Warner has 26 seed Woodley, crossed a wire with Beard.

 

[Ranger Dan]

we need Iowa's bus to break down on the way to the arena this morning

Most likely way for us to win is for a bad call to go against Spencer, he loses, and then Iowa melts down and loses about 10 team points in the mayhem.

With their matchups I don’t see how it will be feasible after this morning.

And they all would have to pound the mat and violently throw their headgear upon losing each match for ~7 team point deductions.

If we win all six of our matches by decision, Iowa needs a total of 4.0 points out of Spencer, Kemerer, and their four conso wrestlers to win.

So, you are saying that there’s a chance...

 

[ccdiver]

If we sweep our 6 matches, Iowa could lose everything until the final match of the tournament and win the team title with Spencer (they're starting at 133 tonight).

 

[Dogwelder]

I'm the most positive and biggest PSU wrestling fan alive, but it's over. ...

No you’re not. Ranger Dan is more positive. (Or just worse at math )

 

[ccdiver]

Current score
iowa at 109
PSU at 94.5
Iowa with 14.5 point lead

Spencer Lee is a lock, and let’s say AB handles his business... not counting potential bonus points, they cancel each other out. Also, Iowa has 4 in wrestlebacks compared to our 2. Let’s use our blue and white glasses and say that they cancel out.

id love to say that RBY, Nick, and Carter all win as well, but they all have tough matchups. RBY beating Fix would give us 16 points. Nick losing to Eireman and Carter losing to Kemever is an 8 point swing to Iowa.

I think we need RBY and at least on of Nick or Carter to win in order to pull out a championship. Am I missing something?

RBY beating Fix is worth 4 points. The 12 points for 2nd are added to both wrestler's scores when they reach the final and are reflected in the team scores already.

 

[Dogwelder]

Let's take 4 individual Champs, 6 AAs and acknowledge that with the single exception of Berge's injury we as PSU wrestling fans had one helluva good weekend of wrestling.

Ha! You sound like Roar! (Which is never bad.)

 

[Ranger Dan]

No you’re not. Ranger Dan is more positive. (Or just worse at math )

I’m afraid it’s the latter one...

 

[Ranger Dan]

RBY beating Fix is worth 4 points. The 12 points for 2nd are added to both wrestler's scores when they reach the final and are reflected in the team scores already.

Ah, that explains it. I wasn’t factoring that in.

 

[nerfstate]

Honestly, it would not be at all surprising if we end up in 3rd this year. But I’m not stressed, just feelin’ bless’d.

 

[Dogwelder]

Honestly, it would not be at all surprising if we end up in 3rd this year. But I’m not stressed, just feelin’ bless’d.

That’s a good rhyme. The best rhyme of the tournament was “unique freak”. I think by goggles.

 

[ccdiver]

Honestly, it would not be at all surprising if we end up in 3rd this year. But I’m not stressed, just feelin’ bless’d.

If we don't have a terrible day, it looks like we'll still finish second. If Iowa really wants to get us Young can let Sheets pin him.

 

[District four]

Whatever the outcome there is no doubt that iowa is NOT the favorite moving forward it's wide open. One things for sure Penn Ttate is Friday night lights out every year and Iowa isn't I just want all four to win. We walk away with four champs and I'll be happy in Happy Valley. WE ARE

 

[PAHURDLER]

The Riddler is funky.
That pin he got last night was unbelievable.
That was Nolf at his best.

Agreed. His pin was unbelievable.

Totally unbelievable.

As in “ I absolutely do not believe that his opponent was pinned.“

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Get Robbie healthy again
Get Brady healthy again,or
Shayne Van Ness at 157
Start Facundo
Get Beard on Fix shakes.
Get Kerkules healthy again
Wait

 

[Chickenman Testa]

It’s over. No pressure on the guys to win for the team. They can win for themselves.

Man, watching Lee kick Rivera’s butt was satisfying. The Flo eye test failed. I’d love to see him throw the Riddler tonight and stick him.

I almost had it - but at least he got the TD

@ClarencButthorn - smiley face emoji

 

[RoarLions1]

Good morning everyone. I've never felt so good after losing a team championship as I did last evening, and still do this morning. Here's hoping your evening and morning was/is as bright.

Once it was determined that Iowa's powerhouse team had won the team championship, all that was left was the ten finals bouts, and rooting for RBY, N. Lee, Starocci and Brooks. They did not disappoint and the evening was magical. Of course we were rooting for each guy to win, but thought the law of averages were well against us crowning more than, say two champions. Still, we cheered heartily, and as I've said hundreds if not thousands of times, bouts aren't wrestled on paper. That axiom was proven, and the Lions did something we hoped for, but no one thought likely.

There's a tangible intangible (if that makes sense) that is created within our room that is only measurable once the wrestling is done, and we have the final results. Fix, Eierman, Kemerer and Hidlay are all heckish good wrestlers that "the process" overcame. Doesn't happen every time, as there are losses along the way -- after all, the guy across the mat is also very good. But last night it did, and it was a beautiful thing.