What's the outlook for Cael's boys in 2020?
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ChiTownLion - you need to correct your title.
Should be:
“What’s the outlook for Cael’s MEN in 2020?”
Should be:
“What’s the outlook for Cael’s MEN in 2020?”
I don’t know why you say Cassar isn’t returning... I have no inside info, but have not heard any quote from him that indicates one way or another.
We have 2 returning NCAA Finalists, Shak should be granted a 6th year and if healthy is much better then his finish this year. Cassar probably won’t return as he has Olympic aspirations and who knows how much longer he can get out of that shoulder. Berge, Lee, Verkleen & RBY will all be better and stronger next season..
Yes. Qualified athletes who either compete for or elect to try out for their home country national/Olympic team have their NCAA five year clocks put on hold.
Yup. And you can’t teach speed which he has in abundance.
Iowa has a fair amount of fundamentally sound plodders in the upperweights. I’ll take our young guys coming in and our staff. Brooks is insanely talented guys. He moves like a slightly smaller Cael
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't mind seeing Shak move on, and open up 184 to a newcomer. Between injuries and some bad mistakes during matches, I don't have much faith that Shak would do better come tournament time 2020.
He has done a lot for the team, moved to different weights, and provided moments of excitement, but time to move on IMO.
Yep, which is why I don't believe in the talk about holding back for 2020-21. The gray shirts being studs, and having already spent a year training, will be chomping at the bits to get into the fray.
Cael has proven to not only be the best motivator and talent developer, but also the best talent identifier. Cael is the hottest name in college wrestling and his ability to bring in talent is in now way limited by allowable scholarships as it is at most universities. Kids just want to be in Cael's program, wrestle in the PSU wrestling rooms against the best, and have a great chance to be on a championship team.
I have no reason to believe that the returning wrestlers that have shown to be point producers (Hall, Joseph, RBY, Lee, and possibly Cassar), kids he redshirted this year such as Teske, together with the gray shirts and possibly a true freshman won't be at least as good of a team as Iowa.
Ugh a little too much bravado... and you left out the slush fund as our main reason we will be good
I'm very disappointed in the 2019-2020 squad. They haven't won a single match yet and it's left me wondering what in hell is going on.
I would actually say Brooks is a slightly bigger Jordan Burroughs... either way, he’s gonna be pretty good
Jesus could transfer in at 125 and Bruce would be yapping that he can't part the Red Sea again on the big stage.
The loyal and true troll wasn't worth a response... Just another troll to put on ignore.....
Beard can come in and wrestle at 197 if we really need, he is going to be a monster most likely eventual future 3X AA and could be a multiple time National Champion. Treske is going to give us another big option at the lower weight class and with Caels coaching should also have a great career. If Conel stays healthy he is also a stud. Right now we are 8 for 9 I say we go 9 for 10 or worst case scenario we punt a year go 9 for 11 and then repeat and go 10 for 12..
So a wrestling season ticket holder who makes a reference to accusations that iowa fans throw around is a troll. Obviously you would have got that joke if you spent more time on the wrestling board.
Since he walks on water, making weight shouldn't be an issue.
But he can't hit a curve ball so its good he's going with wrestling
Cassar is returning and so is Rasheed. You are misinformed and hilariously pessimistic
Come on, @LoyalandTrueLion, not everybody understands the inside lingo from the Wrestling Board. Sarcasm often doesn't translate to a message board, and the inside jokes from the Wrestling board (many of them resulting from stupid comments made by Iowa fans with bogus claims about why PSU wrestling is so successful) are difficult to penetrate for a poster who doesn't follow that board closely.
This is not the Wrestling board, but Penn State football fans certainly want to know more about the program and applaud it's success. No reason to be a douche to a poster who didn't get your reference.
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Roy why do you call me out for being a douche when I'm called chief and a troll and being told I belong on ignore.
Are the words "right over your head" offensive?
If they are that means to be a douche just say an inside joke and 4 words. but the misinformed who follow wrestling closely a month out of the year can say whatever.
Glad you are the sherriff here you see all angles
They have been granted a 6th year but neither has confirmed they are going to stay for the 6th year
‘Snowflake’ needs to go away. Say what you really mean and stuff the euphemisms. Not just you, all who use that term. Actually, anyone who uses the term ‘snowflake’ is a snowflake.
I agree. Everybody is a snowflake and PC depending on the subject. I'm offended by you calling me a snowflake. That's not PC. I hope you're offended be me calling you anti PC.
I’m not pessimistic, I actually know what I’m talking about. Just because he’s granted a 6th year doesn’t mean he is going to take it.
This RLR article seems pretty thorough...
https://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn-state-wrestling/2019/03/5417/projecting-2019-2020-penn-state-lineup-roman-bravo-young-mark-hall-vincenzo-joseph
PROJECTING THE 2019-2020 PENN STATE LINEUP
Rob Dougherty on March 26, 2019 at 8:00 am @rlr_rob
Douglas DeFelice - USA Today Sports
Following another national championship, Penn State will enter the 2019-20 season without two lineup stalwarts that have been among the best ever. Bo Nickal and Jason Nolf were were a major reason why Penn State has four straight team titles and a 58-0 record in duals over their careers. Replacing that kind of production is never easy with one elite wrestler leaving, let alone two.
A group of young freshmen who have a chance to will be led by Aaron Brooks and Michael Beard. Their inclusion in a Penn State lineup will be at least somewhat determined by a potential medical redshirt for Shakur Rasheed or incoming Kent State transfer Kyle Conel. However, it would be no surprise for either Brooks or Beard to take either Rasheed's or Conel's spot. Following greyshirt years, they seem primed to take starting jobs if they are available. Anthony Cassar could also qualify for a medical redshirt, but whether he wants to return when he's accomplished everything at the NCAA level is another story.
The NCAA offers Olympic redshirts to successful wrestlers at the NCAA or international level. You can expect to see quite a few wrestlers take advantage of the Olympic redshirt rule to achieve their dreams of qualifying for the Olympics. Missouri's 141-pound starter Jaydin Eierman has already announced his intention to use his Olympic redshirt. For a wrestler to get an Olympic redshirt, they must meet one of the following four criteria:
Hall and Brooks are certainly the least surprising names on this list, though Hall would certainly be much more likely to take an Olympic redshirt at this point than Brooks. Both have had significant accomplishments in freestyle, but Hall's more advanced in his career and likely has a better chance at making an Olympic team than Brooks. Even still, I would not predict Hall to take an Olympic redshirt right now.
Berge and Verkleeren do not seem like strong candidates to take Olympic redshirts, since they are probably not that close to making an Olympic team at this time.
So, now that we have gotten that out of the way, let's take a look at a projected lineup if Hall does not take an Olympic redshirt:
PENN STATE LINEUP WITH MARK HALL
Weight Wrestler
125 pounds Brody Teske (RS-Fr.)
133 pounds Roman Bravo-Young (So.)
141 pounds Nick Lee (Jr.)
149 pounds Jarod Verkleeren (RS-So.)
157 pounds Brady Berge (RS-So.)
165 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.)
174 pounds Mark Hall (Sr.)
184 pounds Shakur Rasheed (Gr-Sr.) or Aaron Brooks (Fr.)
197 pounds Kyle Conel (Gr-Sr.) or Michael Beard (Fr.)
285 pounds Anthony Cassar (Gr-Sr.) or Seth Nevills (Fr.)
This lineup looks pretty solid from top to bottom, but it is pretty clear that the bonus point potential may not be the same as it had been for the last few seasons for the Nittany Lions. Brody Teske is expected to come in as the 125-pound starter next season to replace Devin Schnupp. Roman Bravo-Young and Nick Lee hold down their spots until there's evidence anyone is moving up. Berge moves up to 157, and his backup Verkleeren takes the 149 pound spot.
Vincenzo Joseph and Hall hold their spots, as expected since no one is unseating them. From 184-285 pounds is where Penn State's lineup has the most uncertainty. Shakur Rasheed, transfer Kyle Conel (Kent State) and Anthony Cassar are all able to apply for medical redshirts, but it's unclear if either Rasheed or Cassar will seek to wrestle next season. Conel announced he is transferring to Penn State and intends to wrestle for Sanderson upon the granting of a medical redshirt.
Brooks and Beard offer a ton of potential for Penn State. Beard went 12-0 against collegiate competition in his greyshirt year, including 11 wins by bonus points. Brooks went 6-1 with wins over two NCAA qualifiers in Ben Harvey (Army) and Tate Samuelson (Wyoming), with his only loss coming to 184-pound qualifier Ryan Christensen (Wisconsin). Brooks is also very accomplished in freestyle, and looks set to be a contender for another junior world team spot this season.
Seth Nevills seems ready to take over for Cassar if the heavyweight champ decides to leave. Nevills just went 16-1 in his greyshirt season, which includes a win over two-time All-American and 3rd place Big Ten finisher Youssif Hemida (Maryland). Nevills may not be a national title contender year one, but he looks well positioned to be a very successful collegiate wrestler. Nevills' only loss was in sudden victory to No. 8 seed Demetrious Thomas (Pittsburgh).
Now, let's look at a Penn State lineup without Mark Hall:
PENN STATE WITHOUT MARK HALL
Weight Wrestler
125 pounds Brody Teske (RS-Fr.)
133 pounds Roman Bravo-Young (So.)
141 pounds Nick Lee (Jr.)
149 pounds Jarod Verkleeren (RS-So.)
157 pounds Brady Berge (RS-So.)
165 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.), Joe Lee (Fr.), or Mason Manville (RS-So.)
174 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.), Aaron Brooks (Fr.) or Carter Starocci (Fr.)
184 pounds Shakur Rasheed (Gr-Sr.) or Aaron Brooks (Fr.)
197 pounds Kyle Conel (Gr-Sr.) or Michael Beard (Fr.)
285 pounds Anthony Cassar (Gr-Sr.) or Seth Nevills (Fr.)
The lineup is unchanged from 125 pounds through 165 pounds for obvious reasons, Hall's Olympic redshirt likely would not impact them. The only way it could impact them is if Vincenzo Joseph would decide to move up to 174 pounds, which I am going to put in this chart only as a possibility. That could see a Joe Lee possibly sliding in here. Lee is the younger brother of Nick Lee, and had a very successful high school career in Indiana.
This would be the youngest potential lineup Penn State could put out, and also includes another talented freshman in Carter Starocci. Starocci is the No. 14 recruit in the country per FloWrestling's senior big board. He finished his career 160-10 in Pennsylvania with two state titles and a runner up as a sophomore. Starocci seems likely to start at 174 in college, with a possibility to move up to 184 pounds later in his career.
Penn State has an embarrassment of riches in terms of talent, but their lineup next season is likely going to be very young. Expect some potential growing pains, but if there's one thing you cannot do, it's count out Cael Sanderson's team from being at their best in March.
https://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn-state-wrestling/2019/03/5417/projecting-2019-2020-penn-state-lineup-roman-bravo-young-mark-hall-vincenzo-joseph
PROJECTING THE 2019-2020 PENN STATE LINEUP
Rob Dougherty on March 26, 2019 at 8:00 am @rlr_rob
Douglas DeFelice - USA Today Sports
Following another national championship, Penn State will enter the 2019-20 season without two lineup stalwarts that have been among the best ever. Bo Nickal and Jason Nolf were were a major reason why Penn State has four straight team titles and a 58-0 record in duals over their careers. Replacing that kind of production is never easy with one elite wrestler leaving, let alone two.
A group of young freshmen who have a chance to will be led by Aaron Brooks and Michael Beard. Their inclusion in a Penn State lineup will be at least somewhat determined by a potential medical redshirt for Shakur Rasheed or incoming Kent State transfer Kyle Conel. However, it would be no surprise for either Brooks or Beard to take either Rasheed's or Conel's spot. Following greyshirt years, they seem primed to take starting jobs if they are available. Anthony Cassar could also qualify for a medical redshirt, but whether he wants to return when he's accomplished everything at the NCAA level is another story.
The NCAA offers Olympic redshirts to successful wrestlers at the NCAA or international level. You can expect to see quite a few wrestlers take advantage of the Olympic redshirt rule to achieve their dreams of qualifying for the Olympics. Missouri's 141-pound starter Jaydin Eierman has already announced his intention to use his Olympic redshirt. For a wrestler to get an Olympic redshirt, they must meet one of the following four criteria:
- Past national team members - Top 3 from the World or Olympic Team Trials
- Top 8 at the US Senior Open in 2019
- One of Top 3 at the 2019 NCAA Wrestling Championships or prior year NCAA champion, and a Top 2 finish from the U-23 World Team Trials
- Previous cadet, junior or world medalist
- Mason Manville - 2017 Greco-Roman World Team Member
- Jarod Verkleeren - 2015 Cadet World Champion
- Mark Hall - 2016 and 2017 Junior World Champion
- Aaron Brooks - 2017 Cadet World Champion and 2018 Junior World Silver Medalist
- Brady Berge - 2018 Junior World Bronze Medalist
Hall and Brooks are certainly the least surprising names on this list, though Hall would certainly be much more likely to take an Olympic redshirt at this point than Brooks. Both have had significant accomplishments in freestyle, but Hall's more advanced in his career and likely has a better chance at making an Olympic team than Brooks. Even still, I would not predict Hall to take an Olympic redshirt right now.
Berge and Verkleeren do not seem like strong candidates to take Olympic redshirts, since they are probably not that close to making an Olympic team at this time.
So, now that we have gotten that out of the way, let's take a look at a projected lineup if Hall does not take an Olympic redshirt:
PENN STATE LINEUP WITH MARK HALL
Weight Wrestler
125 pounds Brody Teske (RS-Fr.)
133 pounds Roman Bravo-Young (So.)
141 pounds Nick Lee (Jr.)
149 pounds Jarod Verkleeren (RS-So.)
157 pounds Brady Berge (RS-So.)
165 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.)
174 pounds Mark Hall (Sr.)
184 pounds Shakur Rasheed (Gr-Sr.) or Aaron Brooks (Fr.)
197 pounds Kyle Conel (Gr-Sr.) or Michael Beard (Fr.)
285 pounds Anthony Cassar (Gr-Sr.) or Seth Nevills (Fr.)
This lineup looks pretty solid from top to bottom, but it is pretty clear that the bonus point potential may not be the same as it had been for the last few seasons for the Nittany Lions. Brody Teske is expected to come in as the 125-pound starter next season to replace Devin Schnupp. Roman Bravo-Young and Nick Lee hold down their spots until there's evidence anyone is moving up. Berge moves up to 157, and his backup Verkleeren takes the 149 pound spot.
Vincenzo Joseph and Hall hold their spots, as expected since no one is unseating them. From 184-285 pounds is where Penn State's lineup has the most uncertainty. Shakur Rasheed, transfer Kyle Conel (Kent State) and Anthony Cassar are all able to apply for medical redshirts, but it's unclear if either Rasheed or Cassar will seek to wrestle next season. Conel announced he is transferring to Penn State and intends to wrestle for Sanderson upon the granting of a medical redshirt.
Brooks and Beard offer a ton of potential for Penn State. Beard went 12-0 against collegiate competition in his greyshirt year, including 11 wins by bonus points. Brooks went 6-1 with wins over two NCAA qualifiers in Ben Harvey (Army) and Tate Samuelson (Wyoming), with his only loss coming to 184-pound qualifier Ryan Christensen (Wisconsin). Brooks is also very accomplished in freestyle, and looks set to be a contender for another junior world team spot this season.
Seth Nevills seems ready to take over for Cassar if the heavyweight champ decides to leave. Nevills just went 16-1 in his greyshirt season, which includes a win over two-time All-American and 3rd place Big Ten finisher Youssif Hemida (Maryland). Nevills may not be a national title contender year one, but he looks well positioned to be a very successful collegiate wrestler. Nevills' only loss was in sudden victory to No. 8 seed Demetrious Thomas (Pittsburgh).
Now, let's look at a Penn State lineup without Mark Hall:
PENN STATE WITHOUT MARK HALL
Weight Wrestler
125 pounds Brody Teske (RS-Fr.)
133 pounds Roman Bravo-Young (So.)
141 pounds Nick Lee (Jr.)
149 pounds Jarod Verkleeren (RS-So.)
157 pounds Brady Berge (RS-So.)
165 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.), Joe Lee (Fr.), or Mason Manville (RS-So.)
174 pounds Vincenzo Joseph (RS-Sr.), Aaron Brooks (Fr.) or Carter Starocci (Fr.)
184 pounds Shakur Rasheed (Gr-Sr.) or Aaron Brooks (Fr.)
197 pounds Kyle Conel (Gr-Sr.) or Michael Beard (Fr.)
285 pounds Anthony Cassar (Gr-Sr.) or Seth Nevills (Fr.)
The lineup is unchanged from 125 pounds through 165 pounds for obvious reasons, Hall's Olympic redshirt likely would not impact them. The only way it could impact them is if Vincenzo Joseph would decide to move up to 174 pounds, which I am going to put in this chart only as a possibility. That could see a Joe Lee possibly sliding in here. Lee is the younger brother of Nick Lee, and had a very successful high school career in Indiana.
This would be the youngest potential lineup Penn State could put out, and also includes another talented freshman in Carter Starocci. Starocci is the No. 14 recruit in the country per FloWrestling's senior big board. He finished his career 160-10 in Pennsylvania with two state titles and a runner up as a sophomore. Starocci seems likely to start at 174 in college, with a possibility to move up to 184 pounds later in his career.
Penn State has an embarrassment of riches in terms of talent, but their lineup next season is likely going to be very young. Expect some potential growing pains, but if there's one thing you cannot do, it's count out Cael Sanderson's team from being at their best in March.
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2020 could be over before Friday night!
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Let me add two more points:
1) We won with a 41 point cushion this year over Ohio State. 61.5 points ahead of Iowa. It's not like the Hawkeyes were breathing down our necks.
2) This year we won with nine wrestlers qualifying. I am pretty confident we qualify ten next year.
1) We won with a 41 point cushion this year over Ohio State. 61.5 points ahead of Iowa. It's not like the Hawkeyes were breathing down our necks.
2) This year we won with nine wrestlers qualifying. I am pretty confident we qualify ten next year.
Can you tell me how taking a jab at iowa fans on a Penn State board, regarding their false claims. And then pointing out that the reference went over someone's head makes me "ignore" worthy and a douche?
Or can it just be chalked up to dumb old crusty white guys who may be on their period?
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