Which number 1's and/or undefeated guys don't finish there after nationals?

[21Guns]

We shall see. Just rewatched their match and Nolf definitely had more shots but I counted 5 or 6 true shots for Kemerer so I wouldn't say he didn't attempt to score. Nolf will probably beat him at Big 10s and/or Nationals if they meet but I would be surprised if he got anything more than a close major.

Damn near majored him at Carver-Hawkeye.

 

[lobo lion]

Who is beating Cox in your opinion?

Yeah, that's my question as well. He's beaten Pfarr, Haught and Moore already this year. Granted, they were all low-scoring, 2-point matches, but guys just don't score on him.

 

[jmadden1998]

Damn near majored him at Carver-Hawkeye.

He took Kemerer down 4 times total with the last 2 coming in the last 30-40 seconds of the 3rd. Never came close to turning him so I don't see that being close to a major.

 

[21Guns]

He took Kemerer down 4 times total with the last 2 coming in the last 30-40 seconds of the 3rd. Never came close to turning him so I don't see that being close to a major.

There was one takedown that could have been reviewed, early in the match, but was not, and there were at least 3 near takedowns that were narrowly avoided by Kemerer in the first period alone. Counting on somebody to scramble out of 5 takedowns per period, is a reach. You keep the faith though, remember how St John kept "closing the gap" with DT? LMAO.

 

[21Guns]

Yeah, that's my question as well. He's beaten Pfarr, Haught and Moore already this year. Granted, they were all low-scoring, 2-point matches, but guys just don't score on him.

Out of the three, I think Haught has the best, and only chance: Moore just isn't quite there yet with his focus for 7 straight minutes, or his strength, and Pfarr just has zero chance to score on him.

 

[jmadden1998]

There was one takedown that could have been reviewed, early in the match, but was not, and there were at least 3 near takedowns that were narrowly avoided by Kemerer in the first period alone. Counting on somebody to scramble out of 5 takedowns per period, is a reach. You keep the faith though, remember how St John kept "closing the gap" with DT? LMAO.

I'm not saying I think Kemerer will beat him. I just hate when people say Nolf "destroyed" him. It's ok to give a guy credit for battling a superior opponent and holding him to his only non bonus point victory of the year.

 

[diggerpup]

It is one thing to predict an upset of Gilman OR IMar OR Dean.

That's fine

But to predict an upset of Gilman AND IMar AND Dean, all by PSU wrestlers ??

That takes illicit drug use.

Mathematical chances of that exact perfect scenario occurring (by Suriano, Joseph & Bo ) has to be less than 2%

That said ....

I'd give Bo a 40/60 shot vs Dean and I'd give Suriano a 25/75 shot vs Gilman.

Those are solid odds individually, and reasonable odds ... but the likelihood of BOTH occurring is just 10%. And I didn't even toss IMar/Joseph into the equation yet.

So, Spyker needs to lay off the drugs and brush up on math.

 

[El-Jefe]

Who is beating Cox in your opinion?

CASSAR LOOKS GREAT IN THE ROOM !!!!

 

[El-Jefe]

It is one thing to predict an upset of Gilman OR IMar OR Dean.

That's fine

But to predict an upset of Gilman AND IMar AND Dean, all by PSU wrestlers ??

That takes illicit drug use.

Mathematical chances of that exact perfect scenario occurring (by Suriano, Joseph & Bo ) has to be less than 2%

That said ....

I'd give Bo a 40/60 shot vs Dean and I'd give Suriano a 25/75 shot vs Gilman.

Those are solid odds individually, and reasonable odds ... but the likelihood of BOTH occurring is just 10%. And I didn't even toss IMar/Joseph into the equation yet.

So, Spyker needs to lay off the drugs and brush up on math.

Trust the 2-hour analysis.

 

[a_mshaffer]

The goal is to win the toss and take neutral against Lizak, otherwise, just last out the two minutes without back points. Lizak has the best ride of any kid in the light weight catagory, by a country mile. Basically, just take him down a bunch of times and build up a lead. If you don't wrestle the right way though, he can beat you. What is troubling right now, is how badly he is gassing, it reminds me of Andrew Alton, and it is scary.

that helps. Lizak is taking top as his choice..,

 

[burnsie1983]

I agree he destroyed every other wrestler he faced since he won by TF or Fall in all those matches. He did major Berger. But I would disagree that he "destroyed" Kemerer. It was scoreless after the first and ended up a 9-4 decision. Kemerer really didn't come close to scoring offensively but he fought off multiple takedown attempts better than anyone else in this weight class.

Kemerer, to his credit, fought out of at least 3 takedown attempts in the first. I doubt he does that next time they meet. It was as lopsided a 9-4 as you'll see.

 

[jmadden1998]

Kemerer, to his credit, fought out of at least 3 takedown attempts in the first. I doubt he does that next time they meet. It was as lopsided a 9-4 as you'll see.

We should find out on Mar 5th assuming Kemerer can beat Berger again. I will be the first to admit Nolf "destroyed" him if he beats him by major or more.

 

[21Guns]

We should find out on Mar 5th assuming Kemerer can beat Berger again. I will be the first to admit Nolf "destroyed" him if he beats him by major or more.

Big assumption: Berger was about a half inch from a winning takedown at Carver Hawkeye.

 

[jmadden1998]

Big assumption: Berger was about a half inch from a winning takedown at Carver Hawkeye.

Again, we will see. What would it take for a Penn St fan to give Kemerer credit for competing with Nolf? Does he have to beat him?

 

[El-Jefe]

Again, we will see. What would it take for a Penn St fan to give Kemerer credit for competing with Nolf? Does he have to beat him?

The "a Penn St fan" generalization isn't warranted.

"A specific Penn St fan" might be closer to the mark.

 

[jmadden1998]

The "a Penn St fan" generalization isn't warranted.

"A specific Penn St fan" might be closer to the mark.

Agreed. Bad generalization. My point is, it's ok to give credit to an opponent when they perform well. Obviously Nolf is the best 157 pounder in the country by a pretty wide margin. Kemerer held him to a decision and I read how Nolf "destroyed" him, it was the most lopsided 9-4 match, It's a big assumption that Kemerer will make the Big 10 finals, etc... These are the responses of 3 different Penn St fans. So I was wondering if this is the consensus among most Penn St fans?

 

[burnsie1983]

Again, we will see. What would it take for a Penn St fan to give Kemerer credit for competing with Nolf? Does he have to beat him?

I will give Kemerer credit for competing more with Nolf than anyone else has this year. I'm not trying to diminish Kemdawgs great season, he's been impressive. But at this stage in his career, he's not terribly close to besting Nolf. Not trying to discredit Kemerer, just saying Nolf is a fair bit better than him, and way better than the field? Does that sound better?

 

[a_mshaffer]

Agreed. Bad generalization. My point is, it's ok to give credit to an opponent when they perform well. Obviously Nolf is the best 157 pounder in the country by a pretty wide margin. Kemerer held him to a decision and I read how Nolf "destroyed" him, it was the most lopsided 9-4 match, It's a big assumption that Kemerer will make the Big 10 finals, etc... These are the responses of 3 different Penn St fans. So I was wondering if this is the consensus among most Penn St fans?

well.... seeing that a whopping 1% of PSU fans are on this board... you'll be well on your way. seeking wisdom from boards...

 

[El-Jefe]

Agreed. Bad generalization. My point is, it's ok to give credit to an opponent when they perform well. Obviously Nolf is the best 157 pounder in the country by a pretty wide margin. Kemerer held him to a decision and I read how Nolf "destroyed" him, it was the most lopsided 9-4 match, It's a big assumption that Kemerer will make the Big 10 finals, etc... These are the responses of 3 different Penn St fans. So I was wondering if this is the consensus among most Penn St fans?

Stick around and you'll figure out how much to believe which people.

And when. Let's face it, emotions about Iowa are really high this week, on all fronts.

 

[jmadden1998]

well.... seeing that a whopping 1% of PSU fans are on this board... you'll be well on your way. seeking wisdom from boards...

Not seeking wisdom. Just asking a question.

 

[jmadden1998]

Stick around and you'll figure out how much to believe which people.

And when. Let's face it, emotions about Iowa are really high this week, on all fronts.

Understood. Probably not the best time to have this convo. I just like when opponents can respect the effort of a kid and not diminish it.

 

[El-Jefe]

Understood. Probably not the best time to have this convo. I just like when opponents can respect the effort of a kid and not diminish it.

Most PSU fans would pick Kemerer to reach the B10 and NCAA finals.

 

[PSiloveU]

285: Snyder (Mega Given)
157: Nolf (No one has come close this year)
149: Zain (Given)
197: Cox (Olympic Medalist+2x NCAA Champ)
165: IMar (2x NCAA Champ, only 1 loss in career, and has any of the top 8 even taken him down this season)
133: Nato (Champ until someone can give him a match)
184: Dean (Nickal is tough but Dean is on track to get 3)
125: Gilman (Maybe Suriano can break through, we'll see after the B10 finals)
141: Dean (He has figured out a way to win almost every match the past 2 years, until he proves other wise I am taking him to win NCAAs again this year.)
174: Valencia (Narrowed by Jordan and Hall)

 

[21Guns]

Agreed. Bad generalization. My point is, it's ok to give credit to an opponent when they perform well. Obviously Nolf is the best 157 pounder in the country by a pretty wide margin. Kemerer held him to a decision and I read how Nolf "destroyed" him, it was the most lopsided 9-4 match, It's a big assumption that Kemerer will make the Big 10 finals, etc... These are the responses of 3 different Penn St fans. So I was wondering if this is the consensus among most Penn St fans?

I am not making points about what has yet to happen, I am refuting YOUR points about what DID happen: Nolf won the match, it was not close, and it could have been a major. I did not use the word 'domination', that was someone elses word. Don't put words in my mouth. You used the word "assume" in reference to Kem over Berger, I pointed out that a 3-2 win, that was one inch from a loss, is a long way from an "assumption" for the next meeting, and that it might not happen that way next time.

Lets be clear here. I wont speak for any "consensus" on Kemerer, he wrestles for Iowa, consult your fellow Hawk fans for that.

 

[findtheStrength]

kemerer is very talented. i think he will make the big ten finals. the issue that i had, when i watched the match with nolf, is that he didnt wrestle to win. i cant give credit to a guy, who in my opinion, didnt wrestle to win. this is just the way that i believe the match went down, in a dual setting. i can credit kemerer with an amazing season thus far, but i feel his effort against nolf was lackluster

 

[NoVa Lion]

Understood. Probably not the best time to have this convo. I just like when opponents can respect the effort of a kid and not diminish it.

I don't think most are not respecting Kem's effort and ability. It's more hyperbole re Nolf. I personally would not have used the term destroyed, but dominated would be appropriate IMHO.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

CASSAR LOOKS GREAT IN THE ROOM !!!!

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