Who else will leave Cornell with Koll gone?
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This pretty monumental on several levels.
Its not cael to psu big but it definitely will cause some big things to happen behind it.
Its not cael to psu big but it definitely will cause some big things to happen behind it.
Nothing will be as big as the Cael move for quite a while, if ever, but Koll's move isn't too far behind it, imo.
How does this affect PSU? My thoughts:
1. I think Koll can convince Griffith to stay.
2. Jason is on the staff at Stanford ... losing him from our room is pretty huge but it's what happens
3. I think Mike Grey would convince Cornell's big fishes to stay, especially Yianni
4. Biggest one here ... does Kyle Dake consider NLWC? He already trains here a good bit. You know his favorite partner is DT.
1. I think Koll can convince Griffith to stay.
2. Jason is on the staff at Stanford ... losing him from our room is pretty huge but it's what happens
3. I think Mike Grey would convince Cornell's big fishes to stay, especially Yianni
4. Biggest one here ... does Kyle Dake consider NLWC? He already trains here a good bit. You know his favorite partner is DT.
Not confirmed officially. That being said, say what you want about Pat Mineo but that is a very specific rumor to make up out of thin air. He knew the Koll to Stanford thing.
Mineo is hardly above making things up from thin air, since he can just delete his misses. That said, he definitely has real sources, who I wish would know better than to give him credibility.
BTW, there was a poster here that definitely said to be on the lookout for a few things - I think more related to NLWC - and here we are with a set of things that look to fit the description quite closely.
A poster here (@SeamusGQuaker) said he said nothing official at the time but help at 157, 165 and 197 could be transferring in. Max Dean checked off 197. Obvious 165 can be either Griffith or Wick. 157? Who knows.
Someone on 247 mentioned a few guys could be leaving NLWC. That being said, he mentioned it was Zain (not Nolf) and another club was making a big bid for him. But then he said "bigger names can be coming in" and Dake would fit that description.
I love the offseason guys.
I’m not complaining. Why do you think Mineo is right about Nolf to Stanford and wrong about Grey to Stanford?
I was just thinking about that post. To paraphrase, we will be losing one of our guys, but gaining a massive addition in return.
Mineo just posted that Grey got the Cornell HC job.
If Dake gets his geography wrong and thinks Stanford is in Southern California, he’s a goner. Sky is the limit for solar callus development.
A coin flip is not bad, actually. Better than a dartboard.Hey....he is 1 for 2. So is a coin flip.
Mineo MUST be paying his informant. If not, why wouldnt the source just tweet the big news himself?
Tell that to your heart Dr.A coin flip is not bad, actually. Better than a dartboard.
My hunch is Grey was the source.
It would also make sense as to if he supposedly already got offered the Cornell job, they may have been afraid he was going to go with Koll and knew they wanted to get something done quickly (and thus hopefully be able to keep Yianni, Vito, and others around).
I advise journalists on issues of defamation, privacy, the first amendment, etc., so I know the following from experience. More often than not, an anonymous source's identity (in cases of positive news anyway) is the same individual being written about. Real journalists are terrified of being wrong, but they can't go wrong using the subject him/herself as the source. Next best thing is family members and coaches. It's been well-demonstrated that Mineo doesn't really care about occasionally being wrong, though, which is why he's often out in front of a story--he's typing up the rumor he heard while honest reporters are still busy inquiring. He has real sources, but they're probably not often the athletes themselves, because why would you use Mineo to break your own news? But sometimes--in fact, quite often--the rumor mill had it right.
With specific respect to this "rumbling," though, it seems dubious that Koll would bring in Nolf, a brilliant wrestler with zero D1 coaching experience, to assist. They don't have a personal history (that I'm aware of, happy to be corrected), and there would probably be no shortage of applicants out there who Koll both knows and who have coaching experience.
If it's true, I'd be real happy for Nolf though, I'm sure he'd be a great coach.
I don’t understand why we are concerned whether Jason or Zain leave. In both situations like some have said they have to look out for themselves. Wrestling in nature does not produce a large income so if they could get paid to coach/train then why not. Plus in the NLWC case, nick lee is on the heels of Zain and possibly has surpassed him. No knock against Zain, but things happen. As much as I’d love to see every athlete train at NLWC, it isn’t realistic especially when we have a large pipeline currently in college
Peter Gammons was like Ron Burgundy reading whatever the teleprompter said, with baseball GMs writing the teleprompter script.
I find Mineo's passive-aggressive act hilarious -- he tossed out the Nolf rumor, then when challenged on it by Cenzo, said it was just a rumbling. Most people get rumblings from bad Mexican food.
What was the source of this "Rumbling"? What the he!l is a "Rumbling"? Webster Definition of Rumbling: Something Mineo pulls out of his arse......tweets it and then when asked to support said tweet.....instead of deleting it.....admits that it is not fact.....ie a "Rumbling"
Mineo's Rap name would be 50/50 or better yet... Fitty-Fitty. Without a doubt his First Album will be called.........."Rumblings"Hey....he is 1 for 2. So is a coin flip.
Vito and Yianni aren't going anywhere (Yianni tweeted as much about himself, and he and Vito are like brothers). Sorry.
I assume they’ll get it, but I think Yianni and Vito will actually need a waiver for their senior seasons since they took 2 years off. I originally thought the Ivy League extended the 5 year clock, but apparently they didn’t.
According to these answers from (ex-) coach Koll to my questions, they don't need a waiver:
Q. I gather that the Ivy League has changed "four in five" to "four in six," correct?
A. Yes
Q. Vito: one year competition, two years LoA, minus one non-participation year, means he still has three years eligibility over the next three years ("four in six")
A. Correct
Q. Yianni: two years competition, two years LoA, means he still has two years eligibility over the next two years (again, "four in six")
A. Correct
Q. Yapoujian: how much eligibility does he have left? I guess four.
A. Correct
I think grey holds the team together at Cornell at least for this year. He has respect of team, kids, parents and obviously the admin that quickly hired him.
Koll left him a full cupboard for sure.
As for Stanford, it's pretty darn cool what the alumni are doing.
Koll left him a full cupboard for sure.
As for Stanford, it's pretty darn cool what the alumni are doing.
Not quite. Current seniors are granted a one-time waiver to compete as grad students at the same school (which was granted after most of the grad school application deadlines had passed!), and everyone was granted a one-year eligibility waiver that changed "four in five" to "four in six" (assuming you haven't graduated by then). So those who remained enrolled this past year will have to take time off (say, a fall semester or two) to not have graduated.
Yeah that’s what I assumed would have happened, but I think one of the Cornell posters on themat was claiming it didn’t so I initially believed him.
Otherwise seems like it’d be pretty big news that Yianni and Vito may have had to compete somewhere else as seniors...
I agree with you about grey keeping the team together, my question would be what happens to the recruits. I would assume grey had recruited them and they are still committed to him, however they can look to go elsewhere
