Who will be our next recruit?
- Thread starter Norm Petersin
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A lot depends on visit dates. I honestly do not know them. If I were to just pick a player because I feel like we will land him....it's Khaleke Hudson.
Hudson was my guess as well. But with the big recruiting visit event on 1/20??? I don't expect any commits until then. All the current commits will be there as well as most of the players that are seriously considering PSU so I believe most of the remainder of class will be filled then.
Maybe a new offer goes out right at the end of the dead period to a newly discovered player, like Windsor last yr, and CJF gets a commit from a kid that wants to jump on it and get a spot
Maybe a re-commit from Quinn Nordin inside an F-22 Raptor while bombing Islamic terrorists?
Or, maybe that is a little too "low-key" for him.
Or, maybe that is a little too "low-key" for him.
He's an interesting potential commit. Younger brother of a former WVU 1st round pick. It may be hard for him and his family to go back on his commit to WVU. But what I read is he's looking for early playing time and there is an opening as Safety at PSU, although we have a few experienced players at the position, with Allen, Golden, and Apke. And hopefully Farmer is ready to contribute as well.
If we want to finish top ten, we'll need all four of them, we really really need to close on these kids.
Yeah, maybe can let him know that if he does not get these kids, "his job is in trouble".
He is unknown outside of rural Clearfield county, but anyone who has seen this kid will tell
you he is one hell of a football player. Was basically a one man team for his high school.
He is faster than Bragalone, and is a better, more versatile player. Kid can play about 5 different positions on the field.
Wow. I wasn't a math major but it sounds like If CJF can get 5 players like this kid that's all he would need to field a complete team. 5 x 5 = 25 and we only need 22 starters plus a punter and kicker......
Haven't seen your recruiting update lately but signing all 4 seems quite optimistic. Do you think Hudson is needed if we get Ferns? I was surprised we offered Wint. Wouldn't he be a likely commit? No shot at a JUCO DT?
I was thinking:
Ferns 50%
Hudson 70%
Hamlin 40%
Nixon 30%
Wint 60%
Nobody is faster than Bragalone, and he plays every position, all the time, every game.
It always strikes me as funny when people like you insult 17 year old kids under the guise of insulting other message board posters.
At one time I thought we had a shot at Rivals top 10. Not any more. Even with those 4 we won't make it . The Hill decommit and a few others that committed elsewhere and the unlikely commit from Hansford has stifled that. At this point we may be lucky to get the. 4 you mentioned. Still will be a good class but could have been much better. CJF may have lost a little off his "fastball". Last commit was Pryts was back in August. Let's hope we can land at least 3 good ones down the stretch and finish decently.
That says more about Rivals than it says about the PSU class, which is ranked higher by the other services.
Uh......the class is basically done (and has been for a while)
Barring a slew of players leaving without exhausting their eligibility, there are few spots left. As of right now, they are full (now, I fully expect a couple more guys will exit the roster, and there will be a couple spots available).....but before the Hill decommit, they really couldn't bring in many more - and still don't have NEARLY enough room for a class of 25 - so anyone who could count would have known that the "class rankings" put out by RIVALS and others was only going to drop over time.
Other schools will continue to sign up to 25, 26, 27 kids....and PSU's "rank" will drop - but that will not effect one iota the quality of PSU's class.
A couple things:
1. The class has not been basically done and we are NOT full at 18. CJF would take 23 in this class if 5 more quality kids wanted to commit to us . Quality kids . Not just anyone .
2. Only the top 20 commits count in the rivals rankings/ratings. Damn, this has been discussed on here many times.
3. Before the Hill decommit, a few kids we lost out on, and apparently Hansford going elsewhere, we had a chance at finishing 9th or 10th.
4. Remember....CJF will find room if big names want to come . If we were full at 23.....and a 5***** DT wanted to commit.....CJF would find a way.
Yes, CJF had 20 a while back and was looking to add a couple of additional recruits, one or two DB's, one WR, at least one LB, and likely at least one more linemen (DT and/or OL). The class has NOT been done for a while. Without naming names, there have been rumors that specific positions were either full or had "Plan A" and "Plan B" commit-able and non-commit-able offers. We likely will never know how that played or will play out....
The math to get within the 85 scholarship limit has bee reviewed here a number of times since this recruiting class activity has heated up last Spring. How much attrition and which kids are part of the attrition is not know by us, but I'd bet that CJF has a pretty good idea. Some of this years RS juniors will not be back, some to the NFL and others moving on due to their inability to contribute together with the fact that they have their degrees. It's not worth naming kids and speculating. Is the max class size 20, 21, 22, 23?? Who knows. But it seems that CJF will not take any marginal talent kids at this point as he will have an even smaller class in 2017 and he is recruiting many outstanding players for that class. He could save a couple of spots for 2017 if he does not land enough of his prime 2016 targets, but I doubt he tells us his strategy.
Many here could care less about what Rivals thinks or how it ranks CJF's class, me included. When 247, ESPN, Scout have our average player ratings at 3.5-3.7 stars we know that CJF has brought in a top 10 class. We also know that CJF has addressed the specific position need - DT, OL, and Kickers, and has a nice balanced class that complements the current roster.
Uh......
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MATH.
Obviously "ways can be found" (all ya' gotta' do is not invite 5th year guys back. I think most folks know how its done LOL)......but doing basic add/subtract math shouldn't be so challenging
He was right in correcting you. You were insinuating we weren't getting that many more recruits but we were still hard after these 4 while we had 20 commits. We were always going to take 23-25 and room will definitely be made.MATH.
Obviously "ways can be found" (all ya' gotta' do is not invite 5th year guys back. I think most folks know how its done LOL)......but doing basic add/subtract math shouldn't be so challenging
I'd be amazed if we took 25. That means 11 would have to leave before their eligibility expired. It also means that next year's class will be even smaller. I agree that room "will be made" for the right recruits.
Do you think we take Hudson if Ferns commits?
What do you think of the Wint offer?
I'm not insinuating anything.....don't assume that I was. However, I can count.
Right now, the 2016 roster is full.
If I was to guess....I DO think CJF will be managing the roster (and/or some natural attrition will take place) to open up more spaces (hell, I've mentioned that - in one way or another - several times on this board). But I DON'T think he would go about "over-committing" scholarships until he has had those talks....or existing guys have made those decisions..
Maybe that isn't the case....and no one - unless they are sitting in those meetings - will ever be able to say for sure.
What is the exact number that constitutes "a few" or "a lot"? I am not about to get involved in a MichNitt circle-jerk parsing those words
We've seen where those things go.Will CJF trim the roster (or will circumstances arise) that will lead to PSU bringing in a full 25?
Maybe it will and you will be a prophet. I certainly would not discount it.
But....I don't think so, and I hope not, because that would involve either a lot of "roster management" on the part of CJF (which I am not a real big fan of...aside from situations where you don't extend the "5th year"), or it would involve a lot of current guys moving on to the NFL or leaving for some other off-field reason (which I would hope wouldn't happen).
But I could be completely wrong. And even I wouldn't bet the mortgage money that I won't be.
Wint is blowing up but looks like he's going to Columbus. I absolutely think we take Hudson no matter what. We made a mistake in not taking his commitment when we could have, if that's really what happened.
It's not 11 anymore. Anthony Smith already made it clear he was leaving early by participating in Senior day. And you're still counting Walker and I don't think it's guaranteed that his scholarship was for two years, now he'll probably end up getting one next year anyway bc we aren't taking 25. Probably 22 at this point. I was just saying in my previous post that we could have gone to 25 if we wanted. I could see 5-6 RS JRs not coming back and that doesn't count AJ. Really think Lynch is coming back to Penn State with Barkley, Robinson, and Sanders? Gaia and Dowery will be passed over if they stay anyway. Wooten and Kiley seem like locks to move on to me.
You're right you didn't insinuate it. You said it.
We've already over committed by 2 or 3 (4-5 over when we were at 20) depending on if you think Walker gets another schollie year. So, I can say that for sure.I'm not insinuating anything.....don't assume that I was. However, I can count.
Right now, the 2016 roster is full.
If I was to guess....I DO think CJF will be managing the roster (and/or some natural attrition will take place) to open up more spaces (hell, I've mentioned that - in one way or another - several times on this board). But I DON'T think he would go about "over-committing" scholarships until he has had those talks....or existing guys have made those decisions..
Maybe that isn't the case....and no one - unless they are sitting in those meetings - will ever be able to say for sure.
What is the exact number that constitutes "a few" or "a lot"? I am not about to get involved in a MichNitt circle-jerk parsing those words
Will CJF trim the roster (or will circumstances arise) that will lead to PSU bringing in a full 25?
Maybe it will and you will be a prophet. I certainly would not discount it.
But....I don't think so, and I hope not, because that would involve either a lot of "roster management" on the part of CJF (which I am not a real big fan of...aside from situations where you don't extend the "5th year"), or it would involve a lot of current guys moving on to the NFL or leaving for some other off-field reason (which I would hope wouldn't happen).
But I could be completely wrong. And even I wouldn't bet the mortgage money that I won't be.
5th years just aren't guaranteed anymore, it's not how our program will be run anymore. It's clear, I'm not predicting anything. Franklin nearly already admitted it.
I've been following this whole recruiting thing since before these sites/networks existed...you know those ancient times when we read these things called magazines...and here is my take on the different services:
1) I'll start with ESPN because even if it is for an odd reason you said follow those ones...ESPN is probably the worst. They spend by far the least time evaluating players and see only a handful of them live each year. If there is one positive it is that the people they do have evaluating the players (mostly on a part time basis as they aren't dedicated to recruiting) tend to actually know what to look for...but still, overall rankings wise it tends to fall short because of lack of resources dedicated to it.
2) Rivals is the exact opposite of ESPN. Nobody sees these kids live or on film more than Rivals. I don't buy into the conspiracy theories of their rankings, however, I think they simply aren't the best talent evaluators. They are more of types that can breakdown a player on where they are now and (imo) fall way short on where they will be in 2/3/4 years. Thus there is a natural skew, in the rankings, to areas of the country where football is a 365 day a year thing with HS programs that produce more college ready kids.
3) I don't think Scout gets enough recognition and one thing I've liked about their rankings is they are the most balanced in giving out what is the proper amount of stars per region. It's almost as if they follow a formula/quota per state/region on how many X stars there should be based on past proportions of how many NFL players, All Americans, etc. it typically produces. The down side of that is that it sometimes seams they are giving an extra star to a kid or two just because they have to give it to someone or of course the opposite in that a kid doesn't get a star he deserves because his state/region is loaded that year.
4) By the time 247 came around I was happy enough with the sources I subscribed to so I never signed up. So I know the least about them. With that said I've heard people say their's is the best. What is interesting is that it was started by the same guys who started Rivals. They started it after selling Rivals to Yahoo! and cashing out. Thus that is the crew who are responsible for a lot of the conspiracy theories people have against Rivals...so who knows. What I do know is that I like that they do a composite ranking of all 4 major sites/networks. That to me helps balance out the pluses and minuses of each service and the one I use to get a gauge on where my program stands in recruiting.
Just my two cents
Just to be clear, recruiting has improved a ton. Sure, it get even better when we have 9 or 10 wins and/or finish in the top two or three of the big ten east. You post implies that it hasn't improved or is in need of improvement. I'd like someone to tell me when was the last time that Penn State had back to back recruiting classes like this...
