will PSU Concede the 2020 title to iowa

[matter7172]

I'm just looking forward to the day when Penn State gets #24 and passes Iowa to find out what kind of silly nonsense Iowa fans will come up with at that point.

 

[WildTurk]

not if they were all before your dad had that gleam in his eye

My dad hated sports. In my 35 years on earth I have been alive for 15 Hawkeye national championships, Dozens of individual champs, hundreds of All American honors, 30 years straight of a Hawkeye NCAA Finalist and thousands of badass men that put it all on the line for the Black and Gold. I have been spoiled more than most as a fan.

 

[WildTurk]

I'm just looking forward to the day when Penn State gets #24 and passes Iowa to find out what kind of silly nonsense Iowa fans will come up with at that point.

Shouldn't you be looking forward to #35?

 

[WildTurk]

Minn. with 10 AA.. until someone else does that, thats most impressive to me. why are points a big deal? unless you have the over or under who cares.

10 AA is very impressive.
Two 8th place finishes, a 6th, steroids, Xanax, no champs and 138.5 points brings them down a peg or 10.

 

[WildTurk]

Hey asshole, this may get you banned. Is that your objective? It sure seems like you are itching to be banned lately.

Dont be so sensitive. I said nothing disrespectful, unlike yourself

 

[matter7172]

Shouldn't you be looking forward to #35?

One step at a time.

 

[nitlion6]

Iowa does have a heck of a wrestling history.
I have seen Iowa perform during those glory years. Turk has read all about how good the Hawks used to in wrestling.
Little Turk will be so removed from Hawk greatness the stories he reads about the great Hawk wrestling teams will start with "Once upon a time...."

 

[nitlion6]

I'm just looking forward to the day when Penn State gets #24 and passes Iowa to find out what kind of silly nonsense Iowa fans will come up with at that point.

It will not be the 24th title that begins the silly mental gymnastics. The mental collapse will begin as soon as it becomes more and more obvious Cael is going to win more titles than Gable. By the time Cael wins his 13th team title HR will be a chorus of Dan really coached those first two teams and has 17. When Cael wins his 16th HR will petition the NCAA to please credit Gable with Kurdelmeier's 2 and Zalesky's 3 for 20.
Silly and HR have become synonymous. Ridiculously silly is fast approaching.

 

[SWPA]

The only season that matters is the one ahead of us.

 

[PSUer1989]

Every fan base of every team should be able to hypothesize and dream in the off season. That is what sports are about...there is always next year. I have no problem with Iowa (or any other team) thinking they will win the title, or win a dual meet. I think PSU fans may be giving Turk a hard time based more on HR's history of claims of cheating, Ped State and steroid use. However, at least in my mind, fans should still be able to project (even if highly unlikely- see Rutgers football) glorious victories...

 

[jammenz]

10 AA is very impressive.
Two 8th place finishes, a 6th, steroids, Xanax, no champs and 138.5 points brings them down a peg or 10.

Minny also won the National Duals beating Iowa (Strittmatter, Juergens, Schwab, Zadick, TJ Williams, 7 AA's) in the semis and Okie State (Johnny Thompson, Reggie Wright, Shane Roller, Tyrone Lewis, Daniel Cormier, Mark Munoz) in the finals. Something Penn State has never done.

 

[slushhead]

Minny also won the National Duals beating Iowa (Strittmatter, Juergens, Schwab, Zadick, TJ Williams, 7 AA's) in the semis and Okie State (Johnny Thompson, Reggie Wright, Shane Roller, Tyrone Lewis, Daniel Cormier, Mark Munoz) in the finals. Something Penn State has never done.

Is your latest avatar showing a lion about to eat Duke and Duchess? You ok?

 

[matter7172]

Is your latest avatar showing a lion about to eat Duke and Duchess? You ok?

I think he's decided to specialize in non sequiturs from now on. Might be related to that.

 

[El-Jefe]

23 team titles is also sweet no?

Were the cadet team members alive when Iowa won its last?

 

[El-Jefe]

I think he's decided to specialize in non sequiturs from now on. Might be related to that.

From now on?

 

[jammenz]

Is your latest avatar showing a lion about to eat Duke and Duchess? You ok?

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

Looks to me like he knows he is either going to eat their lunch later or eat them for lunch later. Good metaphor, jammies.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Looks to me like he knows he is either going to eat their lunch later or eat them for lunch later. Good metaphor, jammies.

are those go-pher dogs?

 

[jschrantz]

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

Perhaps tamed with Zanax?

 

[GogglesPaizano]

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

Is this a metaphor for TnT and Cael? It is pretty cute they want to play for now, but in the end this one is bound to end very badly for the brothers.

 

[Sportfan2017]

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

The dogs are licking the Gopher blood from his mouth while he burps …..EVERYONE love them some Gopher

 

[Sportfan2017]

They're taming the lion as usual.

Or isn't this a Nittany Lion?

WAIT.....I read about this. One gopher was holding down a sausage dog while the other gopher tried stuffing her with an actual sausage. The Lion came along and said....."Calm Down....I'm the Champ' The End

 

[Media Fan]

Dont be so sensitive. I said nothing disrespectful, unlike yourself

I would agree with Wild Turk.
The easiest way for me to rationalize all this profanity and crude behavior is to assume the posters are under the age of 15.
Please don’t tell me I am wrong.

 

[amattaro]

What an arrogant thread title.

More appropriate would be “Will T&T decide it is a good year to have 11AAs and stop letting Carl borrow Iowa’s trophy or would 170 points demoralize all other teams and be bad for the sport?”

#IowasCall
#Decision2020

 

[IANit]

I recently read that the hawkeyes will have 10 AA . Should PSU redshirt everyone and try again in 2021?

We don't have a chance. We should all do our surrender cobra poses and post them here.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

What an arrogant thread title.

More appropriate would be “Will T&T decide it is a good year to have 11AAs and stop letting Carl borrow Iowa’s trophy or would 170 points demoralize all other teams and be bad for the sport?”

#IowasCall
#Decision2020

The argument from Iowa fans that Penn State domination is bad for the sport is rich.

Only Gable is allowed to dominate

 

[El-Jefe]

What an arrogant thread title.

More appropriate would be “Will T&T decide it is a good year to have 11AAs and stop letting Carl borrow Iowa’s trophy or would 170 points demoralize all other teams and be bad for the sport?”

#IowasCall
#Decision2020

Imagine someone on Hawkeye Resistance starting a thread last year titled : "Is Iowa conceding the 2019 dual to PSU?"

 

[IANit]

From Flo in 2018

Which team had the greatest single-season performance of all time? We rank the top 10 in collegiate history.

First a special shout out to Alex Steen and the Open Mat for rescoring every NCAA National Championship Tournament ever. It is a most invaluable resource for this purposes.

10. 2001 Minnesota Golden Gophers
There is no rarer a feat in college wrestling than getting all 10 starters on the podium in March. The '01 Gophers are the only team to ever do it, placing 3, 8, 8, 6, 4, 4, 4, 5, 3, and 3 and scoring 138.5 points at the NCAAs.

9. 1985 Iowa Hawkeyes
Nine All-Americans but "only" two champs (Barry Davis at 126 pounds and Marty Kistler at 158 pounds). This team scored 145.25 points at NCAAs, the sixth-most of any Hawkeye squad.

8. 1969 Iowa State Cyclones
It's difficult to compare teams in the past, even when you adjust the scores to the current rule set, as only the top six wrestlers per weight earned All-American status and the wrestlebacks used repechage instead of full consolation rounds. These Dan Gable-led Cyclones still managed to put eight on the podium with three champs: Gable at 137, Jason Smith at 167, and Chuck Jean at 177, scoring 104 team points in a much stingier environment.

7. 1991 Iowa Hawkeyes
Dan Gable makes yet another appearance, this time once again as coach. The '91 Hawks had two champs (Tom Brands at 134 and Mark Reiland at 167) and eight All-Americans. They finished with 157 team points, or 170.5 using the current rules.

6. 2017 Penn State Nittany Lions
Cael Sanderson's squad reeled off five individual titles in a row, as Zain Retherford, Jason Nolf, Vincenzo Joseph, Mark Hall, and Bo Nickal won 149 through 184 in dramatic fashion. One of the greatest "what ifs" was if Nick Suriano was healthy. He injury-defaulted out of the tournament but had a regular season win over eventual 125-pound champ Darian Cruz and the runnerup, Ethan Lizak. Despite this setback, the Nittany Lions scored 146.5 points with the five champs and a fifth-place finish from heavyweight Nick Nevills.

5. 2005 Oklahoma State Cowboys
The John Smith led Cowboys also had five champs in '05: Zack Esposito at 149, Johny Hendricks at 165, Chris Pendleton at 174, Jake Rosholt at 197, and Steve Mocco at 285. The team had seven All-Americans in total, with Daniel Frishkorn placing fourth at 141 and a freshman Coleman Scott placing eighth at 125. The Cowboys scored 153 points at the NCAA tournament and finished with an unblemished 21-0 dual meet record.

4. 1997 Iowa Hawkeyes
It's hair-splitting time, as the final four teams are all Gable-coached Hawkeye teams and all nearly flawless seasons. The 1997 team technically set the record for most points at an NCAA tournament at 170, but Gable's last team is only third when adjusted for current scoring. This team also lost a dual meet to Oklahoma State 21-13. The Hawkeyes got it done in March, however, with eight All-Americans and five champs (Jesse Whitmer at 118, Mark Ironside at 134, Lincoln McIlravy at 150, Joe Williams at 158, and Lee Fullhart at 190).

3. 1986 Iowa Hawkeyes
The 1986 edition of the Gable era also had five titlists (Brad Penrith at 126, Kevin Dresser at 142, Jim Heffernan at 150, Marty Kistler at 167, and Duane Goldman at 190) and eight All-Americans. They scored 158 points at the NCAA tournament (or 169 rules-adjusted). Somehow this team lost their last dual of the year — 16-19 to Iowa State — but still won the NCAAs by 73.25 points over second-place Oklahoma. That 46.5-percent margin of victory is the highest since the 1950s.

2. 1983 Iowa Hawkeyes
At the 1983 NCAAs, the Hawkeyes scored 155 actual points, which translates to 177.5 using the current rules, which is the most in NCAA history. This squad, yet another coached by the legendary Dan Gable, placed nine wrestlers on the podium, none lower than fifth, and four on the top step. The champs were Barry Davis at 126, Jim Zalesky at 158, Ed Banach at 190, and Lou Banach at 285. Ed and Lou would win gold medals at the 1984 Summer Olympics and Barry Davis would win silver. The only blemish on this team is a 23-27 loss to Oklahoma State.

1. 1992 Iowa Hawkeyes
The 1992 Hawkeyes scored 149 points at the NCAA Tournament, which translates to 175 points, or second all-time. They also sported an unblemished dual meet record, going 16-0. The closest any team came to beating Iowa this season was a 32-13 beating of Iowa State and a 30-11 trouncing of Penn State. In March, nine Hawkeyes from this team climbed the podium; none finished worse than fifth. The only member of this team not to place in the top eight was Mark Reiland at 167. Reiland was seeded seventh and lost in the bloodround. Every member of this team was seeded seventh or higher to start the tournament. The three champs this year all received top seeds in their bracket: Terry Brands at 126, Tom Brands at 134, and Troy Steiner at 142.

Your mileage may vary depending on whether you value NCAA points, NCAA champs, NCAA All-Americans, or some other factor more. Of the top five Iowa teams based on adjusted NCAA points, the 1992 team is the only one that went untied and undefeated in regular season duals. As such, they are the top pick for this list.

That's pretty interesting stuff and maybe gives Cael and team something to shoot for. But it may be hard to top some of those performances. I'll look into at some point to come up with numbers since I wasn't following Big Ten wrestling much in the Gable era, but the thought occurred to me that some of Iowa's dominance was probably helped by the fact that there was no serious competition in the conference tournament. If you look at Penn State's in-conference competition, you have Ohio State pretty much at an elite level - won one title and probably would have had more if not for Penn State, Iowa at or near that level and even some of the other programs like Rutgers competing at a high level. We have national champions who can't even win the conference title. That kind of thing can play into seeding or even getting wrestlers through to the NCAA tournament which ultimately impacts how many points we can get.

 

[Herkuleez5]

That's pretty interesting stuff and maybe gives Cael and team something to shoot for. But it may be hard to top some of those performances. I'll look into at some point to come up with numbers since I wasn't following Big Ten wrestling much in the Gable era, but the thought occurred to me that some of Iowa's dominance was probably helped by the fact that there was no serious competition in the conference tournament. If you look at Penn State's in-conference competition, you have Ohio State pretty much at an elite level - won one title and probably would have had more if not for Penn State, Iowa at or near that level and even some of the other programs like Rutgers competing at a high level. We have national champions who can't even win the conference title. That kind of thing can play into seeding or even getting wrestlers through to the NCAA tournament which ultimately impacts how many points we can get.

FWIW and I am not trying to be a douchey Hawk fan. Conference competition has nothing to do with the competition at NCAA's. FYI there was some great competition back then that would not be allowed today like champions from other divisions.

 

[IANit]

FWIW and I am not trying to be a douchey Hawk fan. Conference competition has nothing to do with the competition at NCAA's. FYI there was some great competition back then that would not be allowed today like champions from other divisions.

I'm not so sure it doesn't have an impact on overall team scoring which is my point - more conference competition means you're less likely to get as many wrestlers through to NCAAs or they'll be lower seeds and have to wrestle better competition early in the tournament decreasing their odds of a high finish. I'm not talking about the top guys, I'm talking about guys who make AA or at least contend for it. I'd have to look at numbers of qualifiers each year to see if this holds weight. Maybe the number of qualifiers at each weight being decided per conference makes up for some of this, but I'd argue the competition within the Big Ten is higher than it was back when Iowa was dominating. The champions from other divisions idea is a good point, but I don't know how many of those there were.

Here's some example of what it was like for Iowa early on vs. PSU today in terms of conference placement. NCAA tourney placement in parentheses:
1976 - Iowa (1), Wisc (4), Minn (7), Mich (8)
1980 - Iowa (1), Wisc (7)
1981 - Iowa (1)
1982 - Iowa (1)
1983 - Iowa (1)
1984 - Iowa (1), Wisc (6), MSU (9)
1985 - Iowa (1), Mich (5)
1986 - Iowa (1), Mich (10)


2012 - PSU (1), Minn (2), Iowa (3), tOSU (5), Ill (6), NW (9)
2013 - PSU (1), Minn (3), Iowa (4), tOSU (6), Ill (9)
2014 - PSU (1), Minn (2), Iowa (4), tOSU(6), NW (9)
2016 - PSU (1), OSU (3), Iowa (5), Neb (8), Mich (9), Ill (10)
2017 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (4), Minny (7), Neb (9), Mich (10)
2018 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (3), Mich (4) Neb (9)
2019 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (4), Mich (5), Minn (8), Rut (9), Neb (10)

 

[dunkej01]

I'm not so sure it doesn't have an impact on overall team scoring which is my point - more conference competition means you're less likely to get as many wrestlers through to NCAAs or they'll be lower seeds and have to wrestle better competition early in the tournament decreasing their odds of a high finish. I'm not talking about the top guys, I'm talking about guys who make AA or at least contend for it. I'd have to look at numbers of qualifiers each year to see if this holds weight. Maybe the number of qualifiers at each weight being decided per conference makes up for some of this, but I'd argue the competition within the Big Ten is higher than it was back when Iowa was dominating. The champions from other divisions idea is a good point, but I don't know how many of those there were.

Here's some example of what it was like for Iowa early on vs. PSU today in terms of conference placement. NCAA tourney placement in parentheses:
1976 - Iowa (1), Wisc (4), Minn (7), Mich (8)
1980 - Iowa (1), Wisc (7)
1981 - Iowa (1)
1982 - Iowa (1)
1983 - Iowa (1)
1984 - Iowa (1), Wisc (6), MSU (9)
1985 - Iowa (1), Mich (5)
1986 - Iowa (1), Mich (10)


2012 - PSU (1), Minn (2), Iowa (3), tOSU (5), Ill (6), NW (9)
2013 - PSU (1), Minn (3), Iowa (4), tOSU (6), Ill (9)
2014 - PSU (1), Minn (2), Iowa (4), tOSU(6), NW (9)
2016 - PSU (1), OSU (3), Iowa (5), Neb (8), Mich (9), Ill (10)
2017 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (4), Minny (7), Neb (9), Mich (10)
2018 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (3), Mich (4) Neb (9)
2019 - PSU (1), OSU (2), Iowa (4), Mich (5), Minn (8), Rut (9), Neb (10)

feelings dont care about your facts

#hawkeyes2020
#glorydaysareback
#havesomecaketurk

 

[RoarLions1]

Shouldn't you be looking forward to #35?

One step at a time.

Others have typed similarly, but I'm using matter's quote.

Sort of like wishing my life away waiting for retirement, when I should be enjoying the gift of life every day.

Thank you WT, though I prefer to enjoy every bout for the good guys during the upcoming regular season, win or lose ... then rooting with my entire being for the Penn State team at Big Ten's and NCAA's.