Won’t Be shocked if CF moves from the RPO

[Marylovesthelions]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

 

[chiro31]

Umm no

 

[NittPicker]

I'd be happy with an occasional short yardage play from under center. Snapping the ball six yards backward on 4th and 1 isn't very logical.

 

[mrtailgate]

I’ll just sit here and watch.

 

[Nitty_Lion]

I don’t feel the RPO really lets an OL pin their ears back and maul the opponents in the trenches. I miss OL play where we just maul the competition.

 

[Raffycorn]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

Clemson, Ohio State, and the most recent iterations of Alabama all disagree that you can't win a national championship running a whole bunch of RPOs. I also fail to see how going with a more traditional set (I presume you mean with the quarterback under center with the running back behind him) would be more effective against the blitz.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Did you see MJ run tonight? It’s here to stay.

 

[tboyer]

Disagree about RPO, I think it's a permanent part of the offense. And really in the bowl game read option was very effective on some plays where McSorley faked to the back and the DE (sometimes Allen) chased the back and freed McSorley to run inside.

However the other point is sound -- the offense will evolve based on the personnel PSU is able to recruit.

It will be fun to see the offense rebuilt next year with a new QB, two or three new linemen and new TB and wideout rotations. Certainly has the potential to be very good.

 

[bmw199]

The Eagles won the Super Bowl running the RPO with best offensive line in pro football.

 

[sluggo72]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

You didn’t mention OSU twice

 

[83wuzme]

It exposes the QB to a lot of injury risk. Of course, when we first implemented it, our OL was so bad that it didn’t matter.

 

[mrmk5110]

Alabama seems to not be having too many issues running the RPO.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

I guess I am blind. I do not recall seeing either the Alabama or Clemson TBs line up beside the QB. That is what I see being abandoned. It is our particular formation that I think will be abandoned. It is not getting the job done in ball control late in a game. Obviously we are recruiting option capable QBs.

 

[cjrugger]

I guess I am blind. I do not recall seeing either the Alabama or Clemson TBs line up beside the QB. That is what I see being abandoned. It is our particular formation that I think will be abandoned. It is not getting the job done in ball control late in a game. Obviously we are recruiting option capable QBs.

Watch the game on Monday and you'll see it more than 50% of the time

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2018/1...room-tide-tua-tagovailoa-shreds-auburn-tigers

 

[schoolie]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

I'd be very shocked.

 

[PennStateTurf2002]

I think people get RPO and read / option confused. A lot of NFL teams run RPO now, maybe someone can give the dummy version of it but i seem to understand that at the snap the QB reads certain players on defense and chooses between handing off or throwing the pass at the last second from what he sees of those defensive players reaction at the snap. You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPO. The line doesn’t know what is happening with option so they can’t block downfield.

Now read option is totally different. The QB puts the ball in the gut of the running back and reads the end, depending on where the end commits is if it will be a running back handoff or the QB pulls it back out to run himself.

Guess what, they better keep up with RPO, I personally don’t think they used it enough this year for one reason or another. That isn’t just the way of college football moving forward, more and more NFL teams going that way too.

As for read option, get used to it. That will be a big part of our running game for a long time. Stevens loves to run it, we have 3 other QBs who are running threats come January.

 

[sluggo72]

I think people get RPO and read / option confused. A lot of NFL teams run RPO now, maybe someone can give the dummy version of it but i seem to understand that at the snap the QB reads certain players on defense and chooses between handing off or throwing the pass at the last second from what he sees of those defensive players reaction at the snap. You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPO. The line doesn’t know what is happening with option so they can’t block downfield.

Now read option is totally different. The QB puts the ball in the gut of the running back and reads the end, depending on where the end commits is if it will be a running back handoff or the QB pulls it back out to run himself.

Guess what, they better keep up with RPO, I personally don’t think they used it enough this year for one reason or another. That isn’t just the way of college football moving forward, more and more NFL teams going that way too.

As for read option, get used to it. That will be a big part of our running game for a long time. Stevens loves to run it, we have 3 other QBs who are running threats come January.

You are correct they do. But when u try to explain it, who knows what happens

 

[jrd23psu]

He hasn't recruited a single QB who ran a pro style offense in high school. Not a chance. None of them have taken snaps under center and can do a 3-5-7 step drop. It's a totally different thing. RPO QBs and pro style are not interchangeable when you are going from RPO -> Pro style.

It's bad enough people think we can install one play under center (we can't) but now we're going to teach all of our QBs brand new mechanics? Nope.

 

[diontechristmas]

I think people get RPO and read / option confused. A lot of NFL teams run RPO now, maybe someone can give the dummy version of it but i seem to understand that at the snap the QB reads certain players on defense and chooses between handing off or throwing the pass at the last second from what he sees of those defensive players reaction at the snap. You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPO. The line doesn’t know what is happening with option so they can’t block downfield.

Now read option is totally different. The QB puts the ball in the gut of the running back and reads the end, depending on where the end commits is if it will be a running back handoff or the QB pulls it back out to run himself.

Guess what, they better keep up with RPO, I personally don’t think they used it enough this year for one reason or another. That isn’t just the way of college football moving forward, more and more NFL teams going that way too.

As for read option, get used to it. That will be a big part of our running game for a long time. Stevens loves to run it, we have 3 other QBs who are running threats come January.

Thank you!

Half the people on this thread have no idea what an RPO even is. Also, you can also RPO off of a zone read as well.

 

[diontechristmas]

He hasn't recruited a single QB who ran a pro style offense in high school. Not a chance. None of them have taken snaps under center and can do a 3-5-7 step drop. It's a totally different thing. RPO QBs and pro style are not interchangeable when you are going from RPO -> Pro style.

It's bad enough people think we can install one play under center (we can't) but now we're going to teach all of our QBs brand new mechanics? Nope.

What in the world?

The RPO is a play not an entire offensive scheme. Any QB can run a darn RPO play, although the execution of said play may vary.

 

[RU31trap]

I think people get RPO and read / option confused. A lot of NFL teams run RPO now, maybe someone can give the dummy version of it but i seem to understand that at the snap the QB reads certain players on defense and chooses between handing off or throwing the pass at the last second from what he sees of those defensive players reaction at the snap. You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPO. The line doesn’t know what is happening with option so they can’t block downfield.

Now read option is totally different. The QB puts the ball in the gut of the running back and reads the end, depending on where the end commits is if it will be a running back handoff or the QB pulls it back out to run himself.

Guess what, they better keep up with RPO, I personally don’t think they used it enough this year for one reason or another. That isn’t just the way of college football moving forward, more and more NFL teams going that way too.

As for read option, get used to it. That will be a big part of our running game for a long time. Stevens loves to run it, we have 3 other QBs who are running threats come January.

I believe that over the past decade OC's have become more creative/brazen running RPO's because defenses cannot pin their ears back and takeout a QB. There's nothing unique about running an RPO, coaches have known about it for decades but they were reluctant to run it because talented LB like LT or SS like Ronnie Lot would have taken out your QB before the second half of a game. Simply put it was too risky at the pro level with million dollar contracts at stake. Today's football allows for what many purists consider gimmicky football because severe penalties protect the players. Yesterday a kid was ejected from the game for hitting a WR on an incomplete pass, 10 years ago that was a legal hit.

 

[millerjs32]

What in the world?

The RPO is a play not an entire offensive scheme. Any QB can run a darn RPO play, although the execution of said play may vary.

OH MY! You have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[m.knox]

Umm no

Yeah, I have to agree. Ain't going to happen.

Would certainly love to see some additional variation, but not sure it could be incorporated into the read option RPO..... Maybe....

 

[diontechristmas]

OH MY! You have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

RPO plays are run every week in nearly every NFL game. “Pro Style” offenses and QB’s run RPO’s.

 

[diontechristmas]

The RPO is a play. A play in which the QB reads one or more players or coverages and decides if he will hand off the ball, or pull it and throw it. A read option or QB run may also be part of the run read. Many offense’s run RPO. Air Raid, run heavy spread like Auburn, pass heavy spreads, more pro style offenses. Pretty much any offensive scheme can incorporate RPO’s. A QB that can run a bit can of course add a different dimension, but QB runs are not necessarily part of RPO’s (see Nick Foles).

The RPO is a play not a scheme. You run your RPO plays and concepts out of your scheme. To say a QB can’t run an RPO is ridiculous as all types of QB’s run RPO’s out of all type of schemes. Now an offense may be very heavy on RPO’s, but they are still a spread offense (or whatever) who has heavy RPO concepts. Just as an offense may be heavy on powers or inside zones or whatever. You can run a power or inside zone regardless of you scheme (spread, pro style etc).

 

[MaconNitt]

I’ll just sit here and watch.

Now that's funny. Some popcorn for your viewing pleasure

 

[NedFromYork]

We don't run ENOUGH RPO, what we run is mostly ROP.

 

[Judge Smails]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

 

[Howie'81]

I don’t feel the RPO really lets an OL to pin their ears back and maul the opponents in the trenches. I miss OL play where we just maul the competition.

You miss the wing-t too?

 

[N&B4PSU]

Disagree about RPO, I think it's a permanent part of the offense. And really in the bowl game read option was very effective on some plays where McSorley faked to the back and the DE (sometimes Allen) chased the back and freed McSorley to run inside.

However the other point is sound -- the offense will evolve based on the personnel PSU is able to recruit.

It will be fun to see the offense rebuilt next year with a new QB, two or three new linemen and new TB and wideout rotations. Certainly has the potential to be very good.

I just cannot see Clifford running the RPO with any degree of success... no one is going to respect him running the ball (although he tosses one mean long ball).

Tommy... well, they'll key Tommy first until he proves he's willing to hand it off or throw it.

 

[Raffycorn]

I just cannot see Clifford running the RPO with any degree of success... no one is going to respect him running the ball (although he tosses one mean long ball).

Tommy... well, they'll key Tommy first until he proves he's willing to hand it off or throw it.

The QB doesn’t necessarily need to run the ball at all in an RPO - the most common one is just a handoff as the “run” and a slant or stick as the “pass” option. Nick Foles won a super bowl with a whole bunch of RPOs - I think Clifford is easily as athletic as Foles.

 

[sluggo72]

I just cannot see Clifford running the RPO with any degree of success... no one is going to respect him running the ball (although he tosses one mean long ball).

Tommy... well, they'll key Tommy first until he proves he's willing to hand it off or throw it.

Have you not been paying attention?? Nick Foles will run RPO on Sunday. Certainly Clifford can

 

[Pinkhippo PeanutButter]

If only there was some sort of internal scrimmage sometime in the spring? Or even a way to try out some concepts and changes in a low risk OOC game early in the season?

 

[Thomas1945]

If only there was some sort of internal scrimmage sometime in the spring? Or even a way to try out some concepts and changes in a low risk OOC game early in the season?

Brilliant, I love outside of the box thinking. Just be prepared for an unending wave of criticism for advocating new ideas.

 

[Nitt1300]

 

[rmem]

LOL. I would comment but Mary has me on ignore because she doesn't like when people reply to crazy notions.

 

[interrobang]

Had Trace had any accuracy this year and had the receivers had any hands, no one would be complaining about the offense.

 

[mikemauti42]

I think it was a short term solution to help an inadequate OL with very little depth. A traditional QB option offense would be better with a very talented OL. Moving the TB back to normal depth will help when you need to control the game to close out the opponent. It also seems more likely to defeat a blitz.

The RPO has not been successful protecting 4th quarter leads. We win both OSU losses, both MSU losses and the USC loss with ball control with the lead in the 4th quarter.

It may not be next year but it has to happen to win a NC.

Maybe they will add a fullback too Mary

 

[Judge Smails]

A traditional QB option offense

We're going back to the option, boys! Hire Jamelle Holieway as offensive coordinator and bring back the tear away jerseys! Now we're cooking with gas!

 

[Lion84]

I just cannot see Clifford running the RPO with any degree of success... no one is going to respect him running the ball (although he tosses one mean long ball).

Tommy... well, they'll key Tommy first until he proves he's willing to hand it off or throw it.

The Eagles ran the RPO in the Superbowl with Nick Foles - you think NE respected his running skills? It was more a part of a blended offense and not run on every play but it can be effective without a running QB as well.