I've coached. Didn't enjoy it. There's a ton of people that coach that shouldn't have and even though they think they positively impacted their players they actually hindered them. The majority of them.
Would you rather have Franklin or Harbaugh as head coach?
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And who died and made you the determiner of everyone’s expectations? And I don’t need to make excuses for not winning titles because it doesn’t change my life one way or another. If you think we can do what Georgia is doing then you truly are delusional. Kirby Smart wouldn’t do it here…he would be right where Franklin is. It takes more than just a coach to take a program to Georgia’s level and we don’t have it.
In some cases, in others the players couldn’t or wouldn’t accept coaching or learning. Too many people find it far too easy to just blame the coach.
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Kirby Smart absolutely would do it here. Just like he took Georgia to the next level from where Richt had them. Getting Smart isn't an option but if Franklin doesn't start beating Ohio State and Michigan consistently he has to go.
A lot of coaches aren't qualified to do it and aren't able to adapt to their players to get the best from them--just like leaders in any situation. 100% sometimes it is solely on the player but a lot of the time the coach isn't qualified to do it. Sometimes it's just a bad fit which is why kid's should be able to transfer.
Kirby's genius is why they were on the path immediately. He didn't mess with the offense. He isn't an offensive coach but knew that a conservative pro-style offense mixed with a great defense would win a championship. His genius is on the defensive side. At Bama, he moved the defense from an odd front, to an even front, to a hybrid based on talent, year to year. He was ahead of the game, much like Joe Moorhead was offensively. If we had coordinators that would be able to and were willing to adjust the systems to the talent at hand, we would have multiple playoff appearances. That is where coaching comes into play. We don't have and we won't have it until the coaching part is corrected. If someone like Kirby replaced OB, someone willing to adapt to the talent on hand as opposed to the talent they want, we have multiple playoff appearances.
Now that Franklin's groupies have successfully derailed another productive thread, I want to level set this discussion. Would you take Franklin over Harbaugh? I personally would take Harbaugh. What do the masses think and why?
Wally, your stupidity never ceases to amaze. You have seriously uttered some of the dumbest-ass statements here. Keep up the amusing work
Actually, my track record is very good compared to most people. Some don't want to hear a thought that contradicts their own beliefs. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll debate anyone. Some don't want anyone to challenge their opinions. That is the problem. Are you one of them?
No he wouldn’t, he wouldn’t have the support from the administration that he has at Georgia or the fertile recruiting grounds.
Pretty much all the coaches at the P5 level are qualified to do the job or they wouldn’t have gotten that high. They may not be a good fit in certain programs, but they’re qualified. And they all know far more than the average Joe on a message board.
And if Kirby wasn’t able to recruit a bazillion five stars, his genius wouldn’t mean sh!t. Put him at Vandy and he might win seven games.
Like your 7-5 prediction last year…genius!!!
Kirby Smart took over a loaded Georgia team that went 9-3 the year before and was actually a favorite for the NC the year Richt got fired. Franklin took over a team that was coming off some of the worst sanctions in NCAA history as well as the stain of the whole Sandusky scandal so not even close to a similar situation. What put Georgia over the top was recruiting classes in the top 5 year after year. Franklin won the Big 10 in his third season which is unbelievable considering we were still weakened by sanctions. Don’t let your hatred of Franklin get in the way of the facts. Please be a Georgia fan and go to their board assclown.
Recruiting isn't a local thing and Franklin has plenty of support. We all know Kirby would kill it anywhere he went. Some just dislike him for being more successful than our coach.
That's like saying people in the corporate world wouldn't have gotten as high as they did without being competent. People fail up all the time including in football.
I like him, but nice try. Recruiting is still pretty heavily a local thing. You have to be able to recruit all over but it helps when you have a ton of talent in your home state or very close (see Penn State wrestling). And Franklin doesn’t have the administration and higher ups behind him like Kirby does (or Saban, or Day, etc.) and if you say he does, then I know you’re just trolling.
Sorry, people aren’t failing up into a P5 coaching job….just doesn’t happen. They’ve been successful somewhere.
Recruiting is not a "local thing" at all
Franklin's contract and the money he was given for staff show support even if you don't want to accept that. Manny Diaz isn't here right now without support.
It absolutely happens. Most recent example is Notre Dame's desperate move when losing Kelly. Programs panic and make bad decisions often.
It doesn’t happen, even the panic hires are people who worked their way up. Again, they may not be a good fit at a particular program, but that doesn’t make them unqualified, maybe less qualified. And the ND situation hasn’t played out yet, so we’ll see.
Recruiting is local if you are in a fertile recruiting ground. In 2022 of the top 115 ranked recruits, 12 of them were from Georgia and Smart got 5 of them….0 were from PA. Then throw in a couple that Georgia got from Florida, so being in the heart of the best recruiting area helps.
Notre Dame hired someone unqualified to save a recruiting class--it's happened before. It will happen again. This is the same as saying everyone that gets promoted in the corporate world is qualified--it's not true. Being a good (or decent) coordinator doesn't mean you should be given a shot as a HC.
Just to stress how you're wrong--per Rivals
#2--from FL going to Ohio State
#4--from CA going to Alabama
#19--from CA going to Georgia
#20--from NC going to Michigan
There's an infinite and that's with only 7 of the top 20 signing. The reality is all programs can recruit nationally. Conferences aren't even regional at this point let alone recruiting.
They certainly can recruit nationally, I never said they couldn’t or don’t….I said it helps when you’re in the middle of fertile recruiting ground. You pretty much only read what you want to read apparently.
I read it...you continually falsely indicate that recruiting is regional giving Georgia and others an advantage. Their advantage is on the field success.
What coaches do you believe are better than Franklin? Seems like all you're trying to do is discredit anyone's success and make excuses for Franklin not being at the elite level as others.
People here rating coaches is somewhat comical and purely subjective. The only evaluation that matters is the terms of their respective contracts. Franklin has been evaluated as elite by the people that really matter.
Saban, Smart, Swinney, Harbaugh, Day, Riley, Fisher, and perhaps a dozen more have earned contracts that make them independently wealthy. But some here think they are the real judges of coaching talent. I may have my personal preferences, but anyone with half a brain must recognize that if a university is willing to compensate you north of 6 or 7 million per year you are in the winners circle.
In general I agree, but there have been a few unqualified buffoons named head coaches at colleges. Remember Jerry Faust at ND. Success at a private HS where you get to cherry pick players does not make one qualified to step right in as a major college head. And he conclusively proved it.
How about Charlie Weis? His only previous accomplishment of note was pretending to be a brilliant offensive coordinator with the Patriots for two seasons when they were loaded and Brady was in his prime. Weis was certainly not at Bill O’Briens level of competence, and is the classic example of the Peter Principle.
He totally messed up ND, then he proved it wasn’t a fluke by running Kansas further into a ditch. It’s possible that these two were marginally more qualified than the average poster. Wally of course being the exception, because he’s a locked on genius.
There are a couple of others, but you’re right in that usually it’s a bad fit. Funny how ND was duped twice! Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of dolts.
There are a lot of incompetent dopes out there. But, there are many more that are a bad fit. There are a lot more that were in a no win situation. Go look at Franklin's first offensive staff.
John Donovan - Flatly incompetent. The worst power 5 coordinator of all time. Horrible tight ends coach.
Josh Gattis - Partly a bad fit, partly incompetent. Gattis is a recruiter first, second and third. He simply cannot develop talent. He is not a power 5 coach in that regard.
Herb Hand - Simply a bad fit. Tremendous coach but his entire career was spent coaching zone blocking schemes.
Ricky Rahne - Partly a bad fit, partly incompetent, partly fine. He was John Donovan's equal as a QB coach. The worst in power 5 history. This was part incompetence but also fit. When he moved to tight coach, he was reasonably good and was better as a coordinator, though limited.
Charles Huff - Good and bad. Benching ZZ Top for Bill Belton and then expecting him to block is not a good look.
As critical as I am of Franklin, I'll still take him over Harbaugh any day. But you can still consider me jealous that Harbaugh figured out how to beat OSU.
Well you have to give him credit for that. However one could argue that he didn’t do it until Urban Meyer left. If Meyer were still there it’s possible that he’d still be working on that project.
