Wrestling Wrestling Session 5 - 2022 NCAA Championships Results and Discussion thread
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One thing about the missed bonus hate. I know I mentioned it early on and kicked a couple likes out for folks that mentioned it. Its just an observation and not drama driven. We're all here to chat about the sport we love. Every year I'm paranoid as a fan that a half point could cost the team a championship. Its awesome that it didn't come to that but I don't know why its bad to say that points were left on the mat. And yes I know those young men are doing everything in their power to get everything they can. I appreciate the entertainment being provided.
In the end it didn't make a difference, but the way the tourney was breaking for Michigan those missed bonus may have mattered. Luckily Michigan hit a wall and the PSU guys pulled through. I might be wrong, but I believe more than once the margin of victory was the bonus points.
Past results are not an indication of future success. I get why people wanted bonus. I want every one of our guys to pin his guy while beating him 14-0. But when I stated that I didn't give a hoot about a couple decisions that coulda been majors or so forth, I was called a silly person. So, I'm giving myself tonight to take a victory lap for being right for a change. Tomorrow morning the sun will rise and I'm back at square one. But today, its party time!
No doubt. Pointed out earlier in the year what a stall machine Lewan was. Massa another scUM wrestler that is awful to watch - it's as exciting as watching paint dry....
Since we’re talking bonus…
1) I think some posters thought we were getting a ton of bonus so the “complaints” weren’t necessarily warranted.
2) It’s really tough to get a TF with no NF points. Especially when you’re better, but not 10-15 seconds per TD better, than the other wrestler on your feet.
3) One 4 pt NF is equivalent to 3 TDs and 2 releases.
4) A fall is worth the most points
5) Folks can talk about missed bonus as freely as folks can say such talk is / was silly.
1) I think some posters thought we were getting a ton of bonus so the “complaints” weren’t necessarily warranted.
2) It’s really tough to get a TF with no NF points. Especially when you’re better, but not 10-15 seconds per TD better, than the other wrestler on your feet.
3) One 4 pt NF is equivalent to 3 TDs and 2 releases.
4) A fall is worth the most points
5) Folks can talk about missed bonus as freely as folks can say such talk is / was silly.
It is in Free - Intentionally "Fleeing The Mat" is a 1 Point Penalty (i.e., no warnings - if you "Flee The Mat" to avoid being scored upon, you are penalized immediately without a "warning".... as you should be.).
Most "complaints" I think are about accumulating 3-4 minutes of riding time in the first two periods against a clearly inferior opponent and then trying to play catch and release in the 3rd period. I think most want to see more cutting and releasing in the first two periods and then if you are close to a tech fall in the 3rd you work for the pin if time allows and you can still collect your last point(s) for the TF if you don't get the pin. This strategy failed Nick Lee in his match, but will work more often than not against outmatched opponents. A TF in hand is worth 2 pins in the bush.
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The people still talking about it do. This is the final tournament this year, but there are more tournaments in the years to come and all of them won't be over on Saturday morning. It is a first world problem for sure.
It's a Penalty Point I believe. If ruled to have occurred, I believe they would've awarded Penalty Point to Hoffman and restarted at time when pull occurred (i.e., would wipe out action after it).
Yeah. To equal Cael’s championship final record at psu
By my count, PSU finalists are 27-15 during the Cael Sanderson era and 16-3 since 2017.
It doesn't work that way - pretty clear you haven't wrestled. First of all, T. Hidlay looks to engage in a tie - it isn't like he walks to the edge and Brooks follows him. Once in a tie, Hidlay backs up. It is not easy to break a tie and focus on "going back to the center" - getting distracted with bullshit like that is a good way to get taken down. Once your in a tie of some sort, each wrestler has ahold of the other in one or another. Focusing on breaking the tie, or attempting to pull your opponent to the middle, instead of focusing on chaim-wrestling off the tie, is a good way to get taken down. It would be silly for a wrestler to attempt to focus on breaking a tie so he can walk backwards back to center rather than focus on the actual position he is in and what is the best move to make next off the tie. It is the Refs job to make calls against Hidlay when he is wrestling in an illegal manner, not Brooks' to take it into his own hands and focus on bullshit maneuvers that might cost him the match.
Maybe you forget that tOSU had a really great 5-year run from 2015 thru 2019:
2015 - 1st
2016 - 3rd
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 2nd (perhaps the best 2nd place team ever, scoring 133.5 points)
2019 - 2nd
If not for PSU, Brutus would have won a few more titles in that span.
And obviously their great recruiting class in 2022 can't help them at least until next season.
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That’s a fair take also. But I think a few people are/were simply having a respectful conversation about it. If it wasn’t respectful, that’d be different, but it is/was respectful.
I think this strategy discounts the physical wear in a bottom wrestler which causes mental mistakes later in a match. Being on bottom tires a wrestler more than on feet I would imagine.
So nice to see that you answered that reasonable question without being arrogant and condescending...
How does the ref not see that headgear pull, less than a foot from his face?
I’ve watched this a few times. Loved this interview as I’m big on family. Massa aside, really enjoying hearing a lot of interviews this year from guys who came back for one last ride. Totally changed my thoughts about some of them. I know when Miles Amine was interviewed after his Big 10 win against Aaron, I now have a genuine like for the guy where as before he may have even rubbed me the wrong way.
Just finished watching consolations.
great job Penn state, national champs!!!
Kerk beating parris was awesome to watch
great job Penn state, national champs!!!
Kerk beating parris was awesome to watch
Why do you always gotta be throwing “DEEP whizzers” in on me when you reply?
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