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left who I have any faith in. Now that the 17th has come and gone I hope Sue and the past letterman truly got a chance to celebrate what it is they represented for all of us. Is there anything left to review or is this officially a dead issue until the lawsuits? I am not going to bash the A9 but I certainly hope PS4RS takes a good hard look before endorsing these folks again or we see a groundswell to diminish their influence [PS4RS not the A9]
It is nauseating to see so much ill formed rhetoric spewing from the media and the masses with no response from our leaders. Even after 5 years no one tries to correct the record publically save folks like Franco.
Anyway anything from your viewpoint on the horizon?

The other 2 folks who i have faith in btw are Wensilver and Ryan.

Best of luck

Roswellion

How about bada-bang?

Ten years ago this loss would have bothered me all week. Now, I'm watching our women's volleyball team and have put the game in my rear view mirror. I guess it started with STEP and my giving season tickets I held for nearly 40 years. Then there was our own BOT rushing to judgment on Joe, his firing, and our surrender to the NCAA. Throw in the continuing arrogance of our BOT, President, and Alumni Association, and I have a University I barely recognize and can no longer relate to. I've said before that I may wake up some day and just decide to turn my back on Penn State forever. If it happens, I will always have my memories, the friendships, and the joy of watching the golden years of Penn State football. I really think if I had not found this Board I would have been gone already. The fact that I could watch us get blown out by a very average college team and not feel badly means that day is very close.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jim-ha...ados-fake-michigan-depth-chart-144351930.html

Compete with the Hanson Bros. and that abiding Dude....
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/colora...depth-chart-for-michigan-photo-160258925.html

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/board-of-trustees/article102164037.html
To: Penn State Trustees, President Barron

cc: Penn State alumni networking


The events of March 2012 prove why the Alumni Trustees and other Trustees of character should treat this resolution with the contempt, disrespect, and noncompliance it deserves. That was when the Board issued a unanimous statement to the effect that it fired Joe Paterno for “failure of leadership,” a phrase it used twice. This statement was later proven false by Keith Masser’s and Kenneth Frazier’s depositions in a court case, which makes every single member of the Board in question a liar. This includes not only those who authored and published the dishonest statement in question but also those who acquiesced to it by “standing behind the decision of the group.”


This is emphatically clear from the U.S. Military Academy’s Honor Code, which says a cadet “shall not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.” This means you not only can’t lie, you can’t be a party to a lie. Suppose for example that a group of cadets is responsible for a task, and something goes very wrong with it. The leader of the cadets, John Surma, says, “Let’s tell the Superintendent of West Point that Cadet Paterno failed to perform his leadership duty,” and Cadets Eckel, Lubert, Peetz, Frazier, and Masser all agree. Surma and his friends lie to the USMA’s Superintendent by scapegoating Cadet Paterno, which is of course cause for expulsion if it is discovered. So much for those who were probably responsible for the actual lie, but now we come to the passive followers. If Cadets Myers, Deviney, Riley, Arnelle, and so on remain mute rather than telling the Superintendent, “No, Sir, that is not what happened,” they are guilty of tolerating those who do, which also is cause for expulsion. This is why the alumni showed absolutely no mercy or restraint in firing the alumni Trustees in question, and under openly dishonorable conditions, even though we recognized that they were followers (sheep) rather than leaders. Their silence made them parties to a dishonest statement, especially noting the word “unanimous” in the March 2012 statement. No person of character is required to “stand behind the decision of the group” when the decision is to lie to and on behalf of the organization to which they owe a fiduciary duty.


Why, by the way, is the USMA’s Honor Code so draconian? Why will it expel cadets for lying or cheating (normally punishable by a zero grade, or at worst failure of the course, in a civilian university) as well as stealing, much less “tolerating those who do?” The issue of scapegoating a dead subordinate actually came up after the turret explosion in U.S.S. Iowa. So-called naval officers blamed a purportedly gay sailor for sabotaging the ammunition for the purpose of killing himself, when the real issue involved problems with the ammunition and possibly the automatic rammer that forces the charges into the gun’s breech. Had their scapegoating of the sailor been allowed to stand, the real problem would not have been dealt with and it could have happened again at the cost of more lives and possibly an entire ship. Lying and cheating can get service members killed, and lose very expensive equipment, in a military context. The launch of the space shuttle Challenger also took place over the objections of an engineer who would not “stand behind the decision of the group,” with the result that NASA earned the derisive nickname “Need Another Seven Astronauts” while the engineer in question was the only person to retain his honor and credibility in the aftermath. Former Trustee Al Clemens is similarly the only Board member from March 2012 to retain his honor and credibility, while Penn State’s reputation was ruined by Trustees who “stood behind the decision of the group.”


Under no circumstances should any Trustee allow his or her good name be used to support dysfunctional conduct by Ira Lubert, Mark Dambly, Keith Masser, or any of the other 11/9/2011 holdovers whose incompetent, dishonest, and self-serving actions have already caused enormous damage to the University.


William A. Levinson, B.S. ‘78

Saw the article this morning...."Nike Up"

link: http://www.foxbusiness.com/features...et-windfall-deals-from-nike-under-armour.html

'Pay To Play' Colleges Get Windfall Deals From Nike, Under Armour

By Thomas Barrabi Published September 14, 2016 Sports
Increased competition between apparel titans Nike (NKE), Under Armour (UA) and Adidas is forcing all three brands to pay more money than ever before to outfit top college football programs like Michigan and Ohio State in their latest gear. But current NCAA apparel deals – while huge compared to similar contracts of years past – are still a bargain for the companies as they jockey for market share.

That’s compared to the $200 million that brands regularly pay to associate with a single professional athlete – a risky investment given the possibility of injury, such as former Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose’s series of knee issues after signing a massive contract with Adidas.

The college apparel boom peaked in May, when Under Armour agreed to pay UCLA a record $280 million in cash and gear over 15 years. The record stood at a comparatively paltry $90 million as recently as 2014. Other recent deals, such as Nike’s 15-year, $252 million contract with the Ohio State Buckeyes and $250 million agreement with the Texas Longhorns, have been similarly expensive.

“This was epitomized by the agreement made by Ohio State and Nike this summer, which leveraged the 50,000 students on campus and their large alumni base to bolster the overall value of the agreement for Nike,” Jensen said. “The schools have just in the past few years become much more savvy about negotiating these agreements from a position of strength due to the recent re-investment in the North American market by Adidas and Under Armour’s willingness to spend big in their efforts to grow market share.”

While Nike’s brand has long dominated sports in the United States and is becoming increasingly entrenched overseas, Under Armour is in the early stages of its development. The company’s chief executive, Kevin Plank, is still searching for ways to bring Under Armour products to consumers that weren’t previously aware of the brand and how it differs from legacy companies like Nike and Adidas.

Deals with colleges like UCLA and Cal Berkeley give Under Armour an entry point into the West Coast market, Plank explained during a July conference call.

“Bringing both the UCLA and Cal Berkeley athletic programs into the Under Armour family raises the profile in California that we already have through great partners in sporting goods, mall, as well as existing and even new department store partners like Kohl's, which has over a 100 stores in California,” Plank said

I feel really crappy this morning after see this article and thought why should I be the only to feel crappy, so I'm sharing. I really & truly hate most people anymore.......tying Joe to Cosby WTF.

"Most schools honor their legends, we fire ours".

The Paterno-Cosby connection (column)

Mike Argento, margento@ydr.com 8:03 a.m. EDT September 14, 2016
Penn State takes on a school this week that has its own problems with one of its legends.

Until the Sandusky scandal, the worst thing Joe Paterno ever did, as far as fans and observers of the program were concerned, was run the ball twice up the middle in the '79 Sugar Bowl, costing the Nittany Lions a shot at upsetting Alabama and winning a national championship.

Yes, those were more innocent times, a kind of idyllic, gauzy memory faded by time and the horrors to come.

The point is, you can't jump into the Wayback Machine and change the past.

Yet the university seems to want to, choosing to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Joe Paterno stepping onto the turf at Beaver Stadium as head coach before Saturday's game against Temple.


THE YORK DAILY RECORD

Should Penn State honor Joe Paterno?



Of course, Paterno is gone, his legacy, at least outside the cozy confines of Happy Valley, in tatters. The Paterno apologists, those living in the PSU bubble, don't believe that for a minute. They still think the guy did no wrong, even if the preponderance of the evidence indicates otherwise.

There is no reason to continue to re-litigate what Joe knew and when he knew it. There is no point. The die has been cast, the sides picked. Either you believe that Paterno had enabled a monster to prey on little boys, or you believe that Paterno was framed and that the evidence against him was all fabricated and that he had no idea what was going on – that he was St. JoePa of Mount Nittany.

Neither side is completely right. Paterno's legacy is, well, complicated. He was a flawed human being, as we all are, and his mistakes, or conscious decisions, to favor football over protecting children from a predator, or whatever you chose to believe, were legion.

Yes, Paterno did a lot of good for the university, his players and the students at Penn State. And yes, he may have done an incredible amount of harm to Jerry Sandusky's victims. Both of those things can be true, although trying to convince Paterno dead-enders of that is an impossible task, the world being a black-and-white place with no gray.

Anyway, the university's decision to honor the coach before Saturday's game is curious. And it indicates that Happy Valley is still an insular place, like that town in the Stephen King novel sealed off from the rest of the world by an impenetrable dome.

Outside that bubble, it appears to be yet another instance in which Penn State doesn't get it. Already, according to a column in the Detroit News, an entrepreneur in Michigan has printed up a bunch of maize-and-blue T-shirts emblazoned with "JoePa knew" and plans to sell them prior to next week's Penn State game in Ann Arbor, donating the profits to child welfare agencies.

And elsewhere, there are numerous comments on the Intertubes suggesting that the best way to honor Paterno is with a 30-year-long moment of silence.

THE YORK DAILY RECORD

Local students manage backlash from Paterno editorial


Yet others have suggested that Penn State honoring Paterno is akin to Temple honoring its most illustrious alum, Bill Cosby – pointing out the coincidence that the commemoration will come before a game against a school that has had its problem with one of its legends. In this context, "illustrious" means "notorious," or "creepy."

That is, of course, absurd – kind of like comparing apples to cocker spaniels.

Superficially, the two things may be kind of similar. Cosby was every white person's favorite black grandfather for a while, peddling Jell-O pudding and yelling at kids to pull their pants up and get off his lawn, just as Paterno was everybody's favorite cranky Sicilian grandpa yelling at kids to pull up their pants and get off his lawn.

Yet Cosby is himself an alleged monster. If you believe the allegations against him, he preyed upon young women, drugging them and doing terrible things. Paterno, if you believe the allegations, enabled a monster. Cosby may be Temple's most famous alum and a former member of its board of trustees. When the allegations started piling up, Cosby resigned from the board.

Paterno was the face of Penn State and worked for the university for more than 60 years and was fired when the allegations were leveled against him. The university, against some strident opposition, has been trying to distance itself from the old coach, tearing down his statue and trying to let the past lie in the past.

Sure, it doesn't seem quite right comparing the two, but you would never catch Temple having anything to do with Cosby now. Cosby is dead to Temple now.

But Penn State still feels it has to honor Paterno.

It's just not a good idea.


THE YORK DAILY RECORD

Premature adulation for JoePa (editorial)


How the university is handling it is even worse. The athletic department issued terse releases, not explaining anything, only saying it planned to go ahead with the commemoration, not offering any details or even paying lip service to the victims of the scandal.

Coach James Franklin, asked about it at his weekly press conference, said: “That's something that is a decision that our administration makes. Again, we're so consumed with graduating our players. We're so consumed with getting our players ready to play and be successful on the football field and make great decisions in the community. That's our focus.

“I think as you guys know, I was one of the first people in my opening press conference to show my respect for the history and traditions and all the wonderful things that have happened here. But after that, guys, there are a lot of things that I think people hit me up on Twitter about and questions that I get asked that I'm not involved in. Those things are for the administration."

Say what you will about Franklin as a coach, but the man knows when to punt.

Completely uninformed prediction: Last week, I was remiss in making my completely uninformed prediction for the outcome of the Penn State-Pitt game. Had I done so, I think I would have predicted Penn State losing by three after a chance to take the lead late in the fourth quarter was wiped out by an interception in the end zone. (This prediction business is so much easier if you wait until after the fact.)

This week, I think Penn State wants to bounce back from last week and show that, perhaps, they have practiced tackling and stuff. And they are probably seeking revenge for last year's embarrassing loss to Temple.

http://www.ydr.com/story/sports/col.../14/paterno-cosby-connection-column/90308392/

Hi all,

I do not live in Lion Country and feel pretty unprepared to debate Paterno's involvement in the Sandusky garbage. Every time, for the past 5 years, that someone learns that I am from PSU the Sandusky stuff inevitably comes up and they either ask what I think or tear apart how disgusting Paterno is (this is coming from NE Patriot fans, speaking of morals and cheating, but I digress).

I debate what I can, and it eventually ends in them saying stuff that is inaccurate, followed by "well, he HAD to know." (Yesterday I was talking to a guy who claimed that Sandusky was molesting boys on campus, while a coach, for decade -- then he gave me the time frame of 94-09... he was befuddled when I told him that Sandusky was not a coach after 1999).

Can someone point me in the right direction, or give me a rundown on some of the facts (problems with the Freeh report, etc)? I've read most of it over the past 5 years, but am too rusty on it.

I am also starting law school next fall, so I imagine that that will lead to some debates on the subject... I want to be better prepared.

Thanks for any help!

I was surprised at the prices of tickets for pro games. Of course, I haven't been to a NFL game since the Eagles played at Franklin field & a few games at the new stadium...Veterans.

How much does it cost to watch your football team?
The price of football tickets
moneytips.com
4:16 PM, Sep 12, 2016
Link: http://www.fox47news.com/financial-fitness/how-much-does-it-cost-to-watch-your-football-team


If you plan to go to a NFL or major college game this year, stop by the bank for a significant withdrawal — and perhaps a loan application if you like premium seating. The NFL has never been more popular, while major college football received a boost from the demise of the BCS and the initial college playoff, so ticket prices can be sky-high.

Tickets may be available through box offices at face value, especially for college games, but for NFL games, the secondary market is usually the way to go. The NFL Ticket Exchange, StubHub, and other vendors have plenty of supply for almost any game.

The Seattle Seahawks tops the league with most expensive ticket. According to the 2016 TicketIQ State of the NFL Report, to see the Super Bowl XLVIII champions play at CenturyLink Field it will cost you $466 per ticket on the secondary market.

The New England Patriots will play in four of the ten most expensive games this season. A pair of tickets at the Gillette Stadium (because who goes to a football game alone?) is $1,674 for the Patriots matchup against the Bengals or $715 each against the Seattle Seahawks.

Other teams with high average ticket prices on the secondary market include the the New England Patriots at $461, the Denver Broncos at $454, and the Chicago Bears at $377.

What team is a bargain? The team with the cheapest tickets are the Jacksonville Jaguars. Average tickets for the EverBank Field are $141. The Jaguars join the Cleveland Browns ($145) and the Kansas City Chiefs as the only teams with average ticket prices under $150.

These prices are likely to rise as the season progresses, so get your tickets early.

For you college fans, the TiqIQ Top 25 keeps track of pricing for the 25 highest-priced college football teams. Far atop the list is the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame, with an average ticket price of $332 as of this writing. The best current deal available is for $33 to watch the Irish crush the University of Nevada's Wolf Pack, while the cheapest price to see the special meeting between Notre Dame and Michigan State University is $194 per ticket.

Only two other schools have average ticket prices above $200. They are in the SEC, but it is probably not the schools you are thinking of. Georgia comes in second at $235 and Texas A&M is third with $201. Alabama is 11th at $164. The SEC claims nine of the top 25 expensive ticket spots, followed by the Big 12 with six, the Big Ten with four, the PAC-12 with three and the ACC with two.

If you are priced out of your preferred game, consider games with lesser opponents. Ticket prices for the most desirable game matchups skyrocket based on demand, but they also fall for horrible mismatches. If you just want to watch your favorite ranked college team in action and don't mind watching them beat up on Middle Southeastern Nowhere State College, tickets for that game will be quite reasonably priced. For NFL teams, if your favorite team is likely to be good, you may be out of luck, but for teams competing for the top draft pick late season bargains are usually available — especially in colder outdoor stadiums.

With some planning, you can find relatively inexpensive tickets to see your favorite team and enjoy the live football experience. Don’t forget to enjoy the tailgate experience as well. Have fun, and load up in the parking lot to avoid stadium concession prices. They are skyrocketing, too.

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the only good news is that the comments are fairly positive. This guy, Livingston, is a horses ass. I've emailed him and offered to meet him for coffee to discuss, he never responds.

His comments are out of date and in great error.

a-hole. I hope Jay responds to him.

What were you doing?

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search...~US~appfocus5&param4=googlesearch-bb8~firefox

Welp, I'm out. I watch football on Saturdays now. I know Philly's symphony and opera aren't as good as Pittsburgh's (tic Phillys are amazing, great way to impress a girl) but I will find something else to do on Sundays.

Very interesting podcast.

Adam and Mark and open the show with John Ziegler in studio. They open the show talking about how their perceived political affiliations may have possibly hurt them in their professional circles. This leads to a discussion how media narrative can shape the public’s perception of a story, and how this pertains to the Sandusky case. Next John informs Adam and Mark about some of the odd circumstances surrounding the Sandusky case, and expresses his belief in the innocence of both Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno. He explains how he believes Matt Sandusky is the biggest bad actor involved in the case.

http://reasonabledoubtpodcast.com/2016/08/john-ziegler/

i am a school that sits in the shadow of the tower of ignorance???

They benefit from Penn State, not the other way around. Plus many of them are just obnoxious. Let them wallow in anonymity and mediocrity forever.

Thought provoking article by Mark Pendergrast about the use of repressed memory therapy to convict Sandusky and why it is not reliable. Pendergrast ends the article with a plea to the Pennsylvania judiciary system - "Let’s hope that the justices will allow testimony about repressed memories in the Sandusky case."

The original title of the thread was the title of the article "Why Jerry Sandusky May Be Innocent." I am assuming that the forum moderator may have thought that "article on repressed memory therapy" may have been more acceptable and less toxic.

http://thecrimereport.org/2016/09/07/why-jerry-sandusky-may-be-innocent/

And pitters call us creepy. Check out their mascot. Egads.

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Penn State and Pittsburgh are renewing their in-state football rivalry on Sept 10 at Heinz Field, and a Pittsburgh blog is selling T-shirts referencing the Jerry Sandusky scandal leading up to the game.


The blog - thepoint412.com - hasn't posted new content to its site since early June, but it sent out a tweet on Wednesday morning saying it was selling a shirt in Penn State colors for $20 that simply reads, "JOE KNEW."


You can see the shirt in the tweet below.

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In the final segment of the John and Leah show (the last ~10 minutes of hour 3), Ziegler goes over why he knows the 70s accusations are false. He states that he sent a person who had been associated wth The Second Mile and a friend of the Sandusky family to Andrew Shubin to make false accusations of CSA. He said that the false accuser made hours and hours of tapes and provided them to Ziegler of Shubin manipulating his testimony to meet the requirements that Penn State needed for a settlement by indicting Joe Paterno/Penn State because the accusation was outside of the statute of limitations. He said that Shubin had referred the false accuser to a therapist to receive repressed memory therapy, the same therapist that had worked with other Shubin clients such as Matt Sandusky, v3, v6, and possibly others. I believe that this therapist is not Michael Gillum, but rather a women based in State College. Ziegler would not say if the accuser was awarded a settlement by Penn State.

If these tapes are ever released, I don't believe it would be good news for Andrew Shubin.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-and-leah-show/id1084615174?mt=2

Mark Hall on deck next weekend.

Can anyone give a little preview on the field he will face ?

Can Wreck Hall bend Daton Fix's ear a bit for PSU?