2017 vs 2022
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Bo in the baschcast said he is still in the room 3x a week....so we could probably answer this in real time. Real time not being Bo at that stage in his wrestling career, but its close....or is it?!.?1...
C* v Marky just wow...wow...wow
That roll has happened too. Heck I would pay to see it in FS today let alone folk. Probably a thread onto its own but C* may be the best ever when its said and done. Lots of miles between there and here, but man he is tough. His bravado rubs many the wrong way but he doesnt talk any different than DT. Any different.
So the world is left to wonder, but I bet if the guys are asked, it would be interesting.
PS- Zain does pin Beau. Kid was a machine that year.
PSS - There is an offseason thread about the best ever coming, right? Its due. Maybe its on the July calendar of events.
C* v Marky just wow...wow...wow
That roll has happened too. Heck I would pay to see it in FS today let alone folk. Probably a thread onto its own but C* may be the best ever when its said and done. Lots of miles between there and here, but man he is tough. His bravado rubs many the wrong way but he doesnt talk any different than DT. Any different.
So the world is left to wonder, but I bet if the guys are asked, it would be interesting.
PS- Zain does pin Beau. Kid was a machine that year.
PSS - There is an offseason thread about the best ever coming, right? Its due. Maybe its on the July calendar of events.
13 team points between Zain/Nolf/Cenzo seems fair, if not a bit low.
I think Cenzo picks up a bonus point. Edsell is tough and has been good at avoiding bonus but he's never wrestled someone as good as Cenzo, even his freshman year self. I might go Mark over Starocci also ... can't let Zahid being in Mark's class underrate his career, Mark had a bit more in neutral than Star IMO.
I have no idea who would win between Hall/Starocci. Would be a hell of a match to see.
I go Starocci but man would it be a battle. I can’t believe no one is giving AB a chance against Bo. I agree Bo is probably the favorite but AB’s defense is so good I can see him shutting Bo down and grabbing the only td to win a tightly controlled match. I’m not sure a lot of people appreciate just how good Aaron is.
Nolf definitely would Tech Berge. No doubt.
Could see a pin as well, given unrelenting Nolf pressure and funkiness.
Also, I see Mark v CStar as even - could go either way and would probably be 5 wins each if they wrestled 10 times.
Bo v AB also super close with, IMHO, slight edge to Bo given his unpredictability.
Would pay good 💰 to see it, THAT I know for sure.
Thoughts?
I think one of the most dominant wrestler we’ve ever witnessed pins Beau.
I think one of the most dominant wrestler we’ve ever witnessed pins Beau.
It would be an epic dual.
125: Suriano 2017 wins by dec.
133: RBY 2022 bonus. TF sounds right.
141: If it was 2017 NCAA tournament Guilibon, I might call it a 2022 Nick Lee decision. But if it’s regular season Guilibon, I’ll call it a Nick Lee bonus. I’ll say major but it could be a fall.
149: I think 2017 Zain wins by bonus, and I get why everyone says fall. But I have too much faith in Beau not giving it up. I’ll call it a TF.
157: I love Berge and maybe 2021
Berge keeps it to a major but I think 2022 Berge loses by TF to 2017 Nolf. Nolf was relentless and I don’t think that bodes well for Berge’s style.
165: I think 2022 Edsell keeps this to a decision. He kept Marinelli to a decision, and we’re talking 2017 RSFR Cenzo in the regular season.
174: This one is tough. 2017 Hall won it all, beating Valencia in the final. But CStar is 2 for 2 and 2017 Hall took a couple of regular season losses that year. I’ll call it a CStar decision.
184: This one is impossible. Pick against Bo Nickal, who beat Gabe Dean that year, in a big match that his team needs him to win? Pick against AB, who beat the Olympic Bronze medalist? I’ll run the final tally each way.
197: Dean by decision.
HWT: I actually think Kerk takes this one by major. He’s just too good on his feet and beats Nevills where he is at his best.
Final:
19-19 if Bo beats Brooks;
22-16 for the 2022 team if Brooks beats Bo.
I can’t pick between Bo and AB.
125: Suriano 2017 wins by dec.
133: RBY 2022 bonus. TF sounds right.
141: If it was 2017 NCAA tournament Guilibon, I might call it a 2022 Nick Lee decision. But if it’s regular season Guilibon, I’ll call it a Nick Lee bonus. I’ll say major but it could be a fall.
149: I think 2017 Zain wins by bonus, and I get why everyone says fall. But I have too much faith in Beau not giving it up. I’ll call it a TF.
157: I love Berge and maybe 2021
Berge keeps it to a major but I think 2022 Berge loses by TF to 2017 Nolf. Nolf was relentless and I don’t think that bodes well for Berge’s style.
165: I think 2022 Edsell keeps this to a decision. He kept Marinelli to a decision, and we’re talking 2017 RSFR Cenzo in the regular season.
174: This one is tough. 2017 Hall won it all, beating Valencia in the final. But CStar is 2 for 2 and 2017 Hall took a couple of regular season losses that year. I’ll call it a CStar decision.
184: This one is impossible. Pick against Bo Nickal, who beat Gabe Dean that year, in a big match that his team needs him to win? Pick against AB, who beat the Olympic Bronze medalist? I’ll run the final tally each way.
197: Dean by decision.
HWT: I actually think Kerk takes this one by major. He’s just too good on his feet and beats Nevills where he is at his best.
Final:
19-19 if Bo beats Brooks;
22-16 for the 2022 team if Brooks beats Bo.
I can’t pick between Bo and AB.
You know you're good when you have to wrestle yourself to be pressured.
Hall beat Bo Jordan in the finals, not Valencia.
But he still beat Valencia. It was just the semis.
I love our guys now, but the top 2017 guys had an insane killer instinct. The bonus points those guys racked up against other top competition is crazy. The 2022 guys win the top matchups as well, but all are close decisions.
I think 2022 Starocci takes Hall. He’s just so positionally sound.
Also, the only historical 184 that AB is losing 4 of 5 to is the larger bald man in the PSU corner.
Kerk could very well MAJ Nevills, too.
Also, the only historical 184 that AB is losing 4 of 5 to is the larger bald man in the PSU corner.
Kerk could very well MAJ Nevills, too.
Agree. Reminds me off those who thought Taylor had too much offense for Dake. May not go the same way (I.e. overwhelmingly 1 way), but AB is a defensive wizard and just controlled an Olympic bronze medalist
Bo would have destroyed Hidley and never would have lost to Amine. There is just a bit of recency bias here. Just a little. It would be interesting to see for sure.
Who is Hidley?
I thought the opposite, TBH. Too much nostalgia for the old guard.
Both are incredible. But Brooks is more accomplished at the same point of their careers. Fewer losses, more championships.
I call it a coin flip. Can’t believe
others don’t.
Folks might view this weight differently had there been a 2020 NCAA Championship. Brooks was the odds on favorite in that bracket to win it as a freshman. Bo vs. the three-time champion Junior Brooks would have people looking at it as a toss-up. In my opinion, Bo needs one of those big scoring moves to win this match. And that is entirely possible.
You bring up an important consideration with AB… he never redshirted.
Bo never greyshirted.
125 Suriano DEC Hildebrandt (Does 2017 really get Suriano given that he didn't go to Nationals? Doctors and lawyers clash on the best path forward, but Suriano goes out with a broken ankle and gets the late takedown) [2017 3-0]
133 Bravo-Young TF Carpenter (12 takedowns 9 escapes 1 backflip) [2022 5-3]
141 Lee FALL Gulibon (Jimmy is only down two in the third, but Nick's pace is too much and he catches Jimmy mid-Granby for the pin) [2022 11-3]
149 Retherford MD Bartlett (Beau wriggles out of a few tough spots early on but can't get out from under Zain in the second and third, gives up back points twice) [2022 11-7]
157 Nolf FALL Berge (Berge holds it together pretty well until midway through the third when the gas tank disparity becomes apparent to everyone, but also Nolf, who hits a standing cradle against a staggering Berge) [2017 13-11]
165 Cenzo DEC Edsell (Frustrating match for both fans and Cenzo, but Cenzo still manages to get the match's only takedown) [2017 16-11]
174 Starocci DEC Hall (Our first coin flip match, but Starocci comes back even after losing two scrambles) [2017 16-14]
184 Nickal DEC Brooks (Our second coin flip match finds an aggressive Brooks catching Bo early for back points (the escalator didn't work this time), after which Bo settles down and wins each successive scramble, the last one in OT) [2017 19-14]
197 Dean DEC McCutcheon (Two 197s who like 184s, but Dean's gas tank is the late difference against a game Cutch) [2017 19-17]
285 Kerkvliet MD Nevills (Nevills gets the first takedown but it's all Kerk after that, including a rideout and backs in the third) [2022 21-19]
133 Bravo-Young TF Carpenter (12 takedowns 9 escapes 1 backflip) [2022 5-3]
141 Lee FALL Gulibon (Jimmy is only down two in the third, but Nick's pace is too much and he catches Jimmy mid-Granby for the pin) [2022 11-3]
149 Retherford MD Bartlett (Beau wriggles out of a few tough spots early on but can't get out from under Zain in the second and third, gives up back points twice) [2022 11-7]
157 Nolf FALL Berge (Berge holds it together pretty well until midway through the third when the gas tank disparity becomes apparent to everyone, but also Nolf, who hits a standing cradle against a staggering Berge) [2017 13-11]
165 Cenzo DEC Edsell (Frustrating match for both fans and Cenzo, but Cenzo still manages to get the match's only takedown) [2017 16-11]
174 Starocci DEC Hall (Our first coin flip match, but Starocci comes back even after losing two scrambles) [2017 16-14]
184 Nickal DEC Brooks (Our second coin flip match finds an aggressive Brooks catching Bo early for back points (the escalator didn't work this time), after which Bo settles down and wins each successive scramble, the last one in OT) [2017 19-14]
197 Dean DEC McCutcheon (Two 197s who like 184s, but Dean's gas tank is the late difference against a game Cutch) [2017 19-17]
285 Kerkvliet MD Nevills (Nevills gets the first takedown but it's all Kerk after that, including a rideout and backs in the third) [2022 21-19]
I know that Amine won a Bronze. Nothing can change that fact but at the same time he never won an NCAA Championship. He always had a tough path to win but if you are a "great" you pull one out at least. Amine is a nice wrestler but the Bronze is probably the anomaly.
People have to remember the Dean match to really understand Bo's greatness. He didn't need to go big. He just decided he would be perfect in position and technique. AB is also very good but I think Bo can beat him at his game but he can't beat Bo at Bo's game.
Agreed, and their careers are eerily similar so far.
AB with the slight edge as he won Nats as a Freshy.
I honestly thought AB would run the table but fluke losses happen, just ask Bo.
Call it whatever you like, but neither Bo nor AB went in their first year out of HS.
Anomaly is an understatement. Think about how great DT and Yaz have been the last few years….Amine wouldnt make it to the towel wave against either.
Not much love for Nevills here, the guy who held off King Kyle and HELL to preserve the ‘18 dual. I dont see this years Kerk bonusing him either.
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