2017 vs 2022
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My bad, thought he held him to a dec, but he needed to prevent a TF to preserve the dual. Carry on.
Confirmed, 15-10 Dec that night. I think all the other times they met, it was bonus for Kyle. But. Not. That. Night.
Amine won the Olympic bronze wrestling for San Marino, which is a great accomplishment. The reason Bo didn't win a medal is because he was stuck behind the Olympic gold medal winner. If Amine had tried to make the US Olympic Team he would have been stuck behind DT, Bo and Valencia.
All that said (and I agree with most of that, plus Free is different -helping wrestlers who may be great in neutral but deficient on the mat - hello James Green), I think Amine is a better all around wrestler (especially as an upperclassman) than Myles Martin who Bo lost twice to - yes, one was a fluke.
My only point was that Amine while a bronze medalist is not the third best guy at the weight in the world so to say that AB shut down a bronze medalist is true it is also a bronze medalist that could not beat Mark Hall, Bo Jordan, Zahid Valencia, etc.
Kerk pinned Nick in freestyle. He also was able to turn Jordan Wood (a heavy who I put in similar profile as Nick).
Truthfully, we're in a golden era of heavyweights. All respect to Nick, who was really underappreciated but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Kerk bonuses him.
Truthfully, we're in a golden era of heavyweights. All respect to Nick, who was really underappreciated but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Kerk bonuses him.
First time you admit being wrong and it turns out...you were wrong about that.
Correct, but even a major by Snyder would not have guaranteed a win by tOSU. It would have been a tie and Snyder needed to win by xx (I forget the exact number) of points to win the dual meet tiebreaker criteria. That was one exciting dual meet and it was only close because Nolf was out with an injury.
sheesh. Apologies. Now. In all fairness - Snyder did major Nick a few weeks later at Big Tens, and previously majored him in their only other meeting.
I still remember that dual (because who could forget). Snyder was just coming back from Yarygin so he might have been a bit fatigued from the travel (to sub 0 degree temperatures) on top of the wrestling. Nick shocked him and shot first (probably not what he was expecting) and got the takedown. I think Snyder needed like to win by like a margin of 13 to win the dual, which was daunting if you don't think you can score back points and that takedown basically made it impossible.
Nick's other takedown was when Snyder basically got desperate and went from a weak throw and ended up on his own back. Snyder majors Nick basically 8 out of 10 times they wrestle but that was some Rec Hall momentum helping him. No doubt Cassar's win fired up Nick and maybe deflated Kyle a bit was well, that's kind of the beauty of duals.
Also, I think Nick is easily a 4x AA if he was healthy in his career so I do not want to take anything away from him. He was a huge staple of some of our best teams. He just wasn't the top echelon of heavyweight athletes.
Nick's other takedown was when Snyder basically got desperate and went from a weak throw and ended up on his own back. Snyder majors Nick basically 8 out of 10 times they wrestle but that was some Rec Hall momentum helping him. No doubt Cassar's win fired up Nick and maybe deflated Kyle a bit was well, that's kind of the beauty of duals.
Also, I think Nick is easily a 4x AA if he was healthy in his career so I do not want to take anything away from him. He was a huge staple of some of our best teams. He just wasn't the top echelon of heavyweight athletes.
Thanks for pointin that out Wino, dont you have pasta to cook or brisket to ’q?
In fact, there is a post on that coming!
It is my recollection, which could be completely wrong that if the match tied the win would have gone to tOSU
Nova's memory is correct. Snyder winning by MD wasn't enough, but he also didn't have to get a TF.
Ohio State would've won on criteria if Snyder had won by a big enough margin, something like 13 pts.
Correct, neither team had a pin and both teams had a tech so I believe it was team points. PSU was up by 12 match points going into heavyweight.
125: OSU +9
133: OSU +1
141: OSU +1
149: PSU +16
157: OSU +15
165: PSU +9
174: PSU +2
184: PSU +8
197: PSU +3
Adds up to PSU +12
Who would complain if David Taylor wrestled for USA, Brooks wrestled for say England, and Bo wrested for say Ireland or where ever they have ancestors from for the next Olympic cycle. Is that possible? Could they get One, Two, Three in the Olympics? In order to get the best wrestlers in the world, mostly from the NLWC could they do this. Would they put them all on the same side of the bracket?
Myles did not have much success against Bo after their Sophomore Big10 match. Amine may have been better than Myles, but by Bo's junior year the separation between Bo and Myles was substantial. So believing Amine superior to Myles means very little if anything at all when weighing Bo's skill level.
I surely would love to see Bo take on "The King"--think that would be a good one.
Wishful thinking, better chance of seeing Bob Seger at a disco.
You guys have me arguing for Myles Amine of all things (as if his bronze wasn’t a gift from the gods). I’m all outta whack!
So the big off-season argument is who would win between 2017 Bo Nickal and 2022 Aaron Brooks.
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Bo beating Gabe Dean is the main reason I pick him over Aaron. Mainly because that shows he can win a tight defensive match and find takedowns against the best of the best. We can't forget Gabe Dean has only lost to Penn Staters at NCAAs and even beat Ed as a freshman. Aaron is Aaron and a special talent but man have we had a ton of those.
Haven’t had a ton win two titles in their first two tries. The short list I come up with us Cenzo, CStar and AB. Who else?
Cael, Dake, Stieber, Pat Smith, Uetake, Hodge, Gable, Koll, Spencer Lee, IMar off the top of my head. Obviously it was easy since I started with 4 timers and then people who never lost then added Gable who only lost his last match ever then sprinkled in a few from recent.
I don't see AB ever getting in a position where a big move can be thrown. This kid is just smooth as honey on the mat and rarely gets out of position I think it's a coin toss
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