2018 Recruiting Thread
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Leary is a very impressive, strong-armed, accurate passer. The Hudl video also showed him running a few times. He can get downfield but definitely looks like a pass first QB.
Leary started following Ricky Slade, Pat Freiermuth, Jesse Luketa, and Justin Shorter on twitter.
It is a recruit's choice as to where they go ultimately, but a recruit should not PUBLICLY GIVE THEIR WORD lightly purely out of self-interest with no intention of necessarily honoring their word (i.e., "verbally commit") occupying one of a school's valuable scholarships at a position where only 1 or 2 ships will be given when the school in question by-passes other strong-lean candidates with that ship.
For instance, and he is but one example of many at the QB position, it was no secret that Devin Leary in South Jersey wanted an offer from PSU, but never got one directly because of the offer & COMMITMENT of Fields who asked that the QB scholarship be reserved for him and gave his word that he would SIGN AN LOI in exchange....finally in April of this year, he "Verbally Committed" to NC State. Kids using Penn State Scholarship Offers to "hedge" their downside and not really being fully committed are reneging on a "quid pro quo" that they not only ACCEPTED from a Program and its coach, but also "gave their word of honor" to that coach in exchange for the "commitment" (i.e., that the coach would RESERVE a scholarship for this athlete in exchange for the "verbal commitment"). Your characterization that recruits did not give a "commitment" based on their "word of honor" is just flat wrong and to brag / joke about not honoring your commitment or treating it lightly such that your word is not your bond (i.e., being a very shallow person) is not something people of "integrity" or "character" do.
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bwifan
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I know 1 thing after watching his video the football jumps off his hand... has has some serious arm strength down field and throws lasers as well as a deep ball with touch over the shoulder extremely well
I don't think Fields (or Parsons) committed with no intention of signing a LOI. I think both players really like Penn State and see what it has to offer. Unfortunately, things change over time, other schools get into the picture, and sometimes it causes a kid who's committed to take a look at his options. It's a huge credit to Franklin and his staff that they found Fields months before everyone else did - it's just unfortunate for us that every other school in the country started to see what our staff saw months ago.
Leary would be a great get. It's tempting to look at him as a nice consolation prize, and while he might be compared to a talent like Fields, he'd be the second-highest QB recruit on the team next year after Clifford.
I have a feeling that Leary's recruit rating is going to rise in the near future. He just proved himself at a major camp, and earned honors that even Ohio State's 5-star QB commit, Emory Jones did not get. Pretty much named Leary a top 11 QB in the nation for the 2018 class.
This is one of the rare times that the offers lag the rating. 247 has him as a composite 4 star, just outside their Top 300. He's just starting to blow up with attention from major programs.
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which isn't a bad name given the type of dog. Just saying.I'll bite Judge!
But, his dog is still named Brutus.
Your position is anti-factual. In exchange for Coach Franklin GUARANTEEING and RESERVING a scholarship for them, both Parsons and Fields gave their WORD OF HONOR publicly that they would SIGN AN LOI with Penn State in exchange for Coach Franklin earmarking, reserving and guaranteeing a scholarship for them in 2018 Class. You can spin it any way you like, both of these kids went back on their word and their commitment regarding their side of the deal they struck - your word is not worth much when you abjectly go back on what you have publicly sworn to ESPECIALLY when you are the party that ASKED for the deal in the first place! (i.e., asked Coach Franklin and PSU to reserve a scholarship in the 2018 Class in exchange for your sworn word that you would use it, because it meant that PSU was by-passing and forsaking other interested athletes at the position!). Their parents would be doing them a disservice if they didn't tell them that this is not a good look as far as "integrity" and "honor" go and that they should minimize the damage as much as possible with the words they choose in their announcement.
Again, any way you slice it, they are going back on their own sworn word and reneging on a deal they swore they would not renege on that has caused harm to the other party (i.e., acted in bad faith) - that is not a good thing for the recruit to do and should not be "praised" or "complimented". This is ESPECIALLY SO when the Coach has told the player that they do not want them to publicly "verbally commit" unless their "word is their bond" due to the "quid pro quo" the athlete is demanding (i.e., the reservation of a scholarship causing the program to by-pass and foresake other targets at the position to their own detriment)....and the athlete goes ahead and "doubles-down" telling the coach that this is what THEY WANT and DESIRE!
not ridiculous at all.
Franklin knows what % of decommits go back to the original school (hint, it is really low).
Fields is no longer the #1 priority at QB
We praise decommits when they come to PSU, and will probably be doing so with a QB in the next few weeks.
Get off your high horse.
So should PSU not go after Leary now because he gave his word to NC State when he committed there? Should Leary not consider PSU or any other school that offers him?
Just b/c you say so doesn't make it be. You might not like it, but the reality is a recruit is a free agent and is not committed until LOI letter signed and received by the institution. The reality is that it works both ways. We know of instances, not at PSU thankfully, where a recruit verballed and then was told there was no longer any room at the inn.
You are also talking about high school kids who have a once in a lifetime opportunity with lots of pressure from other coaches and programs, peers and family. My analogy is similar to Franklin's in that the recruit is dating a girl. He really likes that girl, maybe even loves her, so he asks her to marry him and becomes engaged. Then along comes this other girl and he develops feelings for her. Does he stay with the first girl or dump her for other girl? Under your scenario, he is dating her and is committed, but not legally married, so he should stay committed to her. That is the moral thing to do. The reality is that he can dump her and go date the other and if feels that decision will work out better over the long-term. What he should not do is date both and lead both of them on. Fields did the right thing and decommitted and didn't lead the staff on. Parsons may have looked around leading to a decommitment. Should they have verballed in the first place? Probably not, but to say a recruit is morally wrong, I think is a bit of a stretch. Circumstances change. I have more problems with Rivers who decommitted close to signing day leaving coaches in more of a bind. But again, everything appeared to work out in the end.
The recruit has to do what is right for him, not what is right for me or you. So, if he winds up at PSU great. If not, another will. No sense criticizing a 17 year old kid and it isn't going to change anything by doing so.
Wow, negatively constructed sentences are tough to answer...but I'll try; yes, we should not and yes he should not.
Only exception is a sPitt recruit because taking those is a lot of fun!
You hate Barkley, Cabinda, and Trace...wow...I didn't know that. You are the biggest blow hard victim homer around...you should get a trophy called the Mangina lifetime award. Anyone or thing that is pro PSU is great...anything that moves from PSU or is even slightly negative is a national catastrophe. It's pure comedy anymore.
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My point is many on here get upset when a PSU recruit decommits and complain about them not honoring their commitment and not the PSU material because they don't understand what commitment means but at the same time want PSU to go after recruits committed to other schools.Wow, negatively constructed sentences are tough to answer...but I'll try; yes, we should not and yes he should not.
Only exception is a sPitt recruit because taking those is a lot of fun!
While I don't like it when a recruit decommits it is their decision and I don't let it get me all worked up and bash recruits and their families
That's some pretty good shit, Chewie. You should consider bottling it.
Barkley was a Rutgers commit. You gotta a problem with him flipping to PSU? He's just one of many that Franklin has flipped including all the kids he brought with him from Vanderbilt.
The US Open is next week. Get yourself a bottle of Biotene in prepation for your drooling all over DJ and your, as usual, protracted, and sometimes incorrect, explanations of every nuance of the golf swing and ball spin. BTW, DJ still takes his putting practice swings right next to the ball. I guess he didn't get your message.
NC State has a total of 5 recruits committed. That number includes a 2 star kicker and two 3 star players. It would be a huge loss. They are predicted to be .500 next year, with most wins coming against non Power 5 teams. Their coach is mentioned in at least a half dozen articles as being on the hot seat. His conf. win-loss record is abysmal.
I cant imagine Leary would not flip to PSU if given the chance.
http://www.backingthepack.com/nc-st...n-state-recruiting-football-nc-state-wolfpack
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I have never praised the action of de-committing by anyone - it happens, kids reneging on their word of honor regarding a scholarship ear-marked and reserved for them that they ASKED be reserved and guaranteed for them causes PSU to make offers to targets that PSU by-passed as a direct result of the DE-COMMITS ACTIONS at the time they had committed....causing someone who committed somewhere else as a direct result of not getting a PSU Offer at the time the DE-COMMIT took a PSU offer. IOW a chain-reaction resulting from the actions of the DE-COMMITMENT going back on their word and the new DE-COMMIT getting a PSU Offer as a direct result of the DE-COMMITMENT freeing up the PSU scholarship which they never should have PUBLICLY SWORN that they wanted ear-marked for them in the first place.
But you are the one that needs to get off your arrogant high-horse and accusing others of "praising" people for going back on their word as I have NEVER praised anyone for reversing a publicly sworn commitment that causes harm and damage to the other party. If Leary decides that PSU is the place for him now that a scholarship is available (which was not the case when Fields took the scholarship), I'll be happy that he wants to be a Nittany Lion, but that in no way means I "praise" the fact that he had to de-commit from NC State to do it - in addition, Leary made it quite clear that he wanted a PSU Offer and only committed elsewhere after it was quite clear no PSU Offer would be forthcoming as PSU had made it clear they were only taking one QB and JF had taken that scholarship.
Never said anything of the kind - nor have I ever "praised" de-committing. A recruit breaking a "Verbal Commitment" is no different then one party in a Wedding Engagement breaking it off.... If you decide that you don't wish to marry someone, you absolutely should break it off and tell the other party immediately. Is doing such a thing "praiseworthy" - no! Does it happen? Yes. The thread was about Parsons nonsensical bull$hit that these types of actions are "praiseworthy", he's "proud of Fields" (a nonsensically stupid comment in itself as Fields is his PEER, not his inferior) and should be looked at as a positive!
Fields, as well as the parties you named above for PSU, handled it in the correct manner - with class and dignity in explaining their decision and change of heart, which is about all that can be done. But your notion that going back on one's word to the direct harm of another party is "praiseworthy".....should be praised.....or that I have ever praised it is complete tripe and bull$hit! (i.e., pretty much par for the course with you!).
Yes, this is how a verbal commitment typically transpires:
Prospect: Coach, I want to commit to your school.
Coach: That's great, kid.
Prospect: Yes, coach I give you my word of honor, sworn on the Holy Bible, that I'm coming to your school.
Coach: Wow!!!
Prospect: Now, Coach, will you reserve a spot for me and guarantee that I'll have it?
Coach: Absolutely. You betcha!
Prospect: Will you swear to that on the Holy Bible?
Coach: Hmmmmm, let me look around here. Don't seem to have one handy. Will a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People do?
What does any of that bull$hit strawman have to do with whether going back on one's word and commitments to the direct harm of the counter-party is "praiseworthy" as young Mr. Parsons claims? That was the topic at hand jasper!
As I stated above in response, A recruit breaking a "Verbal Commitment" is no different then one party in a Wedding Engagement breaking it off.... If you decide that you don't wish to marry someone, you absolutely should break it off and tell the other party immediately. Is doing such a thing "praiseworthy" - no! Does it happen? Yes. The thread was about Parsons nonsensical bull$hit that these types of actions are "praiseworthy", he's "proud of Fields" (a nonsensically stupid comment in itself as Fields is his PEER, not his inferior) and should be looked at as a positive!
Fields, as well as the parties you named above for PSU, handled it in the correct manner - with class and dignity in explaining their decision and change of heart, which is about all that can be done. But your notion that going back on one's word to the direct harm of another party is "praiseworthy".....should be praised.....or that I have ever praised it is complete tripe and bull$hit!
What IS the purpose of a verbal committment? It sounds to me like you're saying that nobody - not coaches, not players, not fans - should place any stock in them. If that is the case, so be it. I'm not complaining but I'll probably still visit the recruiting threads before LOI day; I'm not sure why.
Good question. Coaches make offers, players verbally accept them or decline them at various points in time, and then on specified day fax in their LOI. I'll go with what Franklin says. There are kids who are going to attend PSU and not going to change their minds. These kids are the ones who probably should verbal and would sign a LOI if they could do so. The others, crapshoot.
I surmise coaches accept crapshoots b/c they (a) give prominence to the program and build recruiting momentum (b) it increases the probability that a recruit will sign LOI (harder to verbally decommit than it is to commit) (c) coaches want to know where they stand so they have an idea how class is shaping up. Franklin has been in favor of early signing period b/c he has to continue to recruit verbal commitments.
Recruits probably verbal commit b/c (a) dream school (b) felt pressured into it/caught up in moment (c) best offer at the time and reserve a spot (d) have examined their options, carefully considered their options, and make an informed decision and (e) a slew of other reasons.
Recruiting industry and fans (a) want something to talk about (b) diversion from daily lives (c) bragging rights (d) feel invested in team (e) make money (f) a slew of other reasons.
Have you ever gone back on your word? Cheated? Lied? Don't you dare say no because you have, all of them. We all have.
Another strawman line of agrument - go figure! What precisely does this have to do with the claim that atheletes going back on their word to the direct detriment of a counter-party who provided consideration is "praiseworthy" or something that should be promoted as "praiseworthy"? BTW, here is what Coach Franklin had to say on the topic back in May and he clearly says that PSU encourages kids NOT TO COMMIT and occupy a scholarship if they are not absolutely sure that this is what they want to do and understand the gravity of what they are engaging in....
Nobody at any school is a fan of this. It happens to every school in the nation...EVERY SINGLE ONE. It's a part of this semi-pro free agent culture and High school kids are sucked into it. Parsons himself basically tweeted that the other day that is how his generation is. The parents probably aren't fans, but the kids are getting the ships and each parent may handle things differently. You really should become a fan of D3 football if you are such a purist.
More drivel and non-topical spew from you - go figure. You keep claiming Parson's characterization that going back on your word to the direct detriment of a counter-party providing quid pro quo consideration is "praiseworthy" (which was the topic the poster brought up - i.e., that Parson's comments that his and Fields' actions are "prasieworthy" and something they should be proud of is absurd, gratuitous, self-serving nonsense) - it is not "praiseworthy" or something "to be proud of" in any way, shape or form regardless of how many strawman you wish to raise or how much non-topical bull$hit you wish to spew.
This is a recruiting thread and I know better then to let an idiot like you derail it. You're barking to bark, but that is all you ever do.
kraken if you want to continue the debate, take it out of this thread and into this:
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-decommit-thread.175673/
TIFWIW. A couple of tidbits for you gentlemen.
Leary in the process of setting up a summer visit to PSU. If offered he will commit - he has said as much to his HS coach in the past. NCST coaching staff getting very nervous.
Parsons trending back towards PSU as of this past weekend. Let's just say the visits went very well. Franklin doing a great job of selling the 'home state hero" storyline. Parsons has a huge ego, Franklin's psychology background coming out in full force here. Franklin taking a new route to earning his re-committment.
Trent Gordon is on decommit watch. He may have committed too quick in the wake of a great visit. Many think he may take a step back and open things up. If UT comes calling, he will likely jump at the offer.
Nana Asiedu mulling taking his official visits with family. Clemson still pushing hard, UTenn/Bama turning up the heat. Nothing to be concerned about until he decides to take a visit.
Lots of negative recruiting picking up against PSU in regards to losing Fields and the class not having the #1 QB prospect to pitch at recruits.
Leary in the process of setting up a summer visit to PSU. If offered he will commit - he has said as much to his HS coach in the past. NCST coaching staff getting very nervous.
Parsons trending back towards PSU as of this past weekend. Let's just say the visits went very well. Franklin doing a great job of selling the 'home state hero" storyline. Parsons has a huge ego, Franklin's psychology background coming out in full force here. Franklin taking a new route to earning his re-committment.
Trent Gordon is on decommit watch. He may have committed too quick in the wake of a great visit. Many think he may take a step back and open things up. If UT comes calling, he will likely jump at the offer.
Nana Asiedu mulling taking his official visits with family. Clemson still pushing hard, UTenn/Bama turning up the heat. Nothing to be concerned about until he decides to take a visit.
Lots of negative recruiting picking up against PSU in regards to losing Fields and the class not having the #1 QB prospect to pitch at recruits.
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What a cesspool recruiting has become. I believe the newly instituted early signing period will only engender more early decommits. The pressure on these kids must be at a new, all time high as the defrocked suitors try to regain ground prior to December.
IMHO, the early signing period already HAS and WILL, further devalue "verbal" commitments. The sharks are baring their teeth in June, not in December/January anymore.
IMHO, the early signing period already HAS and WILL, further devalue "verbal" commitments. The sharks are baring their teeth in June, not in December/January anymore.
