What would Bo “Nickel” and “Zane” Retherford say about that?
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For the way these guys have been treated, they might have a viable lawsuit. Maybe Yanni can get them a lawyer.
What were some of the other NIL numbers for the guys Willie cited? I thought I saw something like 80 for Roman, but I don’t know if that was for a single chunk or what.
He said he would decide by late April. Doing his do diligence. Down to Cornell, Penn State, Iowa and staying put. Everything I've heard or read seems positive.
For the psychological health of HR, we are limited to one PSU BOOM per week. Next week is Nagao's turn.
He's supposedly coming to the Blue/White game. So he needs to do his visits. Which I think every recruit should do. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Every kid has an idea of where they want to go when they portal. The majority take their time and think it through, especially if you have opportunities to hear what's out there and get the 5 star treatment if you want to visit other campuses.
I don't think Max Dean had us in mind when he portaled (made sense especially since the fit was a question) but he decided to take his chances.
I don't think Max Dean had us in mind when he portaled (made sense especially since the fit was a question) but he decided to take his chances.
Of course it's always different on your own team. This is HR mindset at its finest.
Hawkeye fans have been saying the same thing about PSU "recruiting over" guys for a decade. It's nothing more than wishful thinking.
Come on, man. There are plenty of "Different on your own team" examples but this ain't it.
"These 2 bananas are just like this grape"
"One of those isn't like the other 2"
"Geez, always different when it's your own team"
Aren't we talking about potential resentment among teammates?
Do you really think there is no difference between a guy (with outstanding credentials) who's been in the room for 4 years getting paid to come back and a new guy (with good credentials) getting paid to come in to a room?
I think it's pretty easy to see a difference there.
You're purposely choosing to be obtuse. You know this raises the stakes beyond "recruiting over" guys.
Other than Woods, who also came through the portal, my guess is that Truax's package is at least 10 times more than the guys who have been grinding in the room for the last 2+ years.
Deep down, I suspect you agree that dropping bags on portal guys is not a long-term solution, and it 'could' potentially create animosity.
Maybe you have enough $$$ to keep everyone happy; if so, good luck. I hope 2nd place is worth the investment.
Absolutely, but I had a boss once tell me when I was half asking for a raise if I thought I was worth more to go on the open market. If it's about money to someone, they can leave just like the person coming in and get their market value. If it is about reaching wrestling goals, there may be a sacrifice to be made. Nobody gets into wrestling and commits for the bag at the end. This may be different for other sports.
lets get Truax Nagao and Carr so they can break the ncaa scoring record and really piss off iowa!LOL
kids come to wrestle for Cael not for money they will make plenty in life!
Truax and Nagao would be great "gets", but I will temper my excitement for the time being. Penn State has been in the mix for other high profile transfers in the past, but it does not work out for one reason or another.
I am allowing myself to have lowered expectations so that I can be pleasantly surprised.
I am allowing myself to have lowered expectations so that I can be pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, it seems like Cael puts more effort into recruiting than high profile portal transfers. When people like Caleb Smith and Deaugustino entered the portal, my reaction was that, if they want to come with no promises, Cael certainly isn't going to say no, but my guess was that Lilledahl was going to be more of the focus for a long term 125 solution, and here we are with Lilledahl in the stable and not a peep about Smith or Deaugustino at all.
With that said, I'm sure Cael will at least kick the tires on Nagao and Truax. They are both too good not to do at least a due diligence, but the portal is typically not a high priority (Kerk was an exception since he was functionally closer to a recruit than a transfer at the time even though he came through the portal).
Much like I say it takes 3 years to effectively transition from Folk to Free, I believe it takes more than one year for most new kids to adapt to Cael's program, or at least a kid who knows he is committed to this program for more than a year.
To be honest the last minute, 1 year gap fillers just have not worked out so well for us in the past, with most under performing their prior year results elsewhere.
I think Cael will understandably place more value on portal kids who can provide us with more than 1 year of service.
I absolutely see more value in Nagao than Truax as a result, and really hope we can find a multi-year 133 solution this time around. If we lose out on Truax, I am ok with that, not to mention I think AB may move up. I am not sure if it's a good idea to beef Barr up to 184 or pass up on his redshirt. Maybe Ball or Smith. We don't need the points, especially if we land In Nagao.
To be honest the last minute, 1 year gap fillers just have not worked out so well for us in the past, with most under performing their prior year results elsewhere.
I think Cael will understandably place more value on portal kids who can provide us with more than 1 year of service.
I absolutely see more value in Nagao than Truax as a result, and really hope we can find a multi-year 133 solution this time around. If we lose out on Truax, I am ok with that, not to mention I think AB may move up. I am not sure if it's a good idea to beef Barr up to 184 or pass up on his redshirt. Maybe Ball or Smith. We don't need the points, especially if we land In Nagao.
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Max did pretty well his first year here. Just sayin’. Hildebrandt is the only other guy I can recall that we brought in as an existing AA, and he didn’t do as well, I’ll admit.
Regarding Hildebrandt, it should be noted that he came out of retirement to wrestle for PSU.
He also was never a dominant 125. I made this case when he committed and got shouted down, but was right in the end. In his 1 AA run, his largest margin of victory was 3-0 in r1 over the 30 seed. The mighty Brody Teske had him beat in the quarters and gave up a dumb takedown under 10 seconds to go.
Not surprising a couple of those close results flipped.
So, are these backpacks now a part of the package deal with the Minnesota champions tshirts for poor kids in Africa?
It's pretty standard practice in business that external hires (aka outsiders) get paid a big raise (that puts them way over homegrown talent) to join a company. It's just the nature of the game, other people want their services and you have to pay a premium to get them. Often times, they obviously know less about the job and have to be trained by people who have been there (and now make less)
Homegrown talent can obviously always feel free to leave if they feel spurned yet most don't do it as long as they feel they get made whole overall or if they like their situation. Similarly, real life is different than wrestling and I will temper a guess and say money matters a lot more to them than wrestlers. It's a balancing game the boss has to manage. If Woods is making more than the rest of the Iowa wrestlers, hard to say he didn't earn it since he was their biggest point scorer at NCAA this year take away his 19 points and Iowa is at 63.5 and missed a trophy this year (assuming they don't get anything from 141 otherwise and all else is equal)
Homegrown talent can obviously always feel free to leave if they feel spurned yet most don't do it as long as they feel they get made whole overall or if they like their situation. Similarly, real life is different than wrestling and I will temper a guess and say money matters a lot more to them than wrestlers. It's a balancing game the boss has to manage. If Woods is making more than the rest of the Iowa wrestlers, hard to say he didn't earn it since he was their biggest point scorer at NCAA this year take away his 19 points and Iowa is at 63.5 and missed a trophy this year (assuming they don't get anything from 141 otherwise and all else is equal)
He was a good room guy, but yeah he didn't have as good an end he had hoped.
Ultimately, what Iowa is doing is legal if everything being posted is true (I have doubts). Did they tamper with Woods? Good luck proving that but once Truax, Nagao hit the portal, it's all legal. PSU can do it also but that doesn't appear to be the model Cael wants to run. Candidly, I don't find relying on purchasing transfers sustainable. I'd rather be Alabama/Georgia than Texas A&M/Miami bottom line.
What u mean a good room guy, didn’t he just place third the year before?? Probably just meant he had a lucky tourney run
It's not the model Brands wants to run either. It's by necessity because he doesn't recruit like Cael. Nobody does. Cael has been very willing to use transfers his entire tenure. We've seen plenty of reports about him being frustrated with the university's slowness to accept NIL. There's no reason to think he wouldn't be all over this to fill the occasional hole with a wrestler that fits it, especially given the deep pockets of the PSU donor base that he's already tapped into for the NLWC.
But overall you're right that the model is to recruit well in the first place - and NIL will become a larger role in this as well I suspect - and use transfers when it makes sense. Just like it's better to build through the draft in the NFL and use free agency sparingly.
I don't know why you would say that. Considering PSU is a finalist for both guys, it would seem Cael is, at minimum, not opposed to bringing in these types of transfers.
Bottom line to me is that none of us have any idea what strategies or models Cael and Co. are utilizing regarding recruiting high schoolers or transfers. The very few that do seem to have some worthy insights are noticeably silent on these types of discussions.
NCAA should just change the rule on portal that only the kid can contact the coach!!
I haven’t been following any statue changes in PA closely, but are our coaches even permitted to promise NIL money outright? I don’t believe they were before (thinking about the Suriano transfer to Michigan), but I know the rules have loosened since. I still bet Cael prefers to refer kids to outside resources to inquire about NIL.
You were just arguing on Monday that kids should be cool with calls from any/all coaches. What changed your mind?
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